The 2017-2018 Around the NBA thread

[Russ Smith]

He's a very good player but man Patrick Beverly drives me nuts. Took 2 blatant cheap shots at Lonzo Ball in the first half and then did it again to the backup PG Caruso. It's the same thing he did to Westbrook years ago, knowing they're going to call a timeout he comes sprinting up and collides with the guy, in that case westbrook injured his knee from the collison. He did it twice to Lonzo and once to Caruso in the first half.

What frustrates me is he's such a good defender, he's harassing Lonzo, stripped him for a layup, drew a foul on Lopez trying to screen him, but then he takes these totally unnecessary cheap shot risk plays just to be a dick. He's not even really trying to get a steal there he's just trying to annoy people but he's so aggressive doing it he keeps running into people.

Mediocre firsthalf for Lonzo, 8 boards but only 3 points and 1 assist, they missed some shots that would have been assists but overall Lonzo struggled with the aggressive defense of Beverly. They were -4 with him in and -7 with Caruso, in only 5 minutes.

 

[95pro]

Don’t read too much into Ball’s rebounds. It’s by design. Grab the board and try to push the ball up court.

Looks like he’s back to his first game of preseason, but will he adjust this time? He’s not used to NBA level transition defense.

Stupid laker fans aren’t going bananas now.

Personally, I live what Beverly is doing to Ball. Is some of it stupid? Yes. But he’s got inside of his head.

 

[95pro]

Austin Rivers sucks.

 

[GatorAZ]

He's a very good player but man Patrick Beverly drives me nuts. Took 2 blatant cheap shots at Lonzo Ball in the first half and then did it again to the backup PG Caruso. It's the same thing he did to Westbrook years ago, knowing they're going to call a timeout he comes sprinting up and collides with the guy, in that case westbrook injured his knee from the collison. He did it twice to Lonzo and once to Caruso in the first half.

What frustrates me is he's such a good defender, he's harassing Lonzo, stripped him for a layup, drew a foul on Lopez trying to screen him, but then he takes these totally unnecessary cheap shot risk plays just to be a dick. He's not even really trying to get a steal there he's just trying to annoy people but he's so aggressive doing it he keeps running into people.

Mediocre firsthalf for Lonzo, 8 boards but only 3 points and 1 assist, they missed some shots that would have been assists but overall Lonzo struggled with the aggressive defense of Beverly. They were -4 with him in and -7 with Caruso, in only 5 minutes.

Lonzo is going to have to deal with this on a nightly basis. Bledsoe will probably go at him tomorrow minus the taunting and petty stuff after the whistle.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Lonzo is going to have to deal with this on a nightly basis. Bledsoe will probably go at him tomorrow minus the taunting and petty stuff after the whistle.

Lol... we all know Ball probably goes off for his first and ONLY triple double of the season while draining the game winning 3 tomorrow.

 

[BC867]

Lol... we all know Ball probably goes off for his first and ONLY triple double of the season while draining the game winning 3 tomorrow.

I like your Suns optimism. Game winning '3'? That could be the first shot of the game.

 

[Superbone]

He's a very good player but man Patrick Beverly drives me nuts. Took 2 blatant cheap shots at Lonzo Ball in the first half and then did it again to the backup PG Caruso. It's the same thing he did to Westbrook years ago, knowing they're going to call a timeout he comes sprinting up and collides with the guy, in that case westbrook injured his knee from the collison. He did it twice to Lonzo and once to Caruso in the first half.

What frustrates me is he's such a good defender, he's harassing Lonzo, stripped him for a layup, drew a foul on Lopez trying to screen him, but then he takes these totally unnecessary cheap shot risk plays just to be a dick. He's not even really trying to get a steal there he's just trying to annoy people but he's so aggressive doing it he keeps running into people.

Mediocre firsthalf for Lonzo, 8 boards but only 3 points and 1 assist, they missed some shots that would have been assists but overall Lonzo struggled with the aggressive defense of Beverly. They were -4 with him in and -7 with Caruso, in only 5 minutes.

It's by design. He got in his head.

 

[Russ Smith]

Don’t read too much into Ball’s rebounds. It’s by design. Grab the board and try to push the ball up court.

Looks like he’s back to his first game of preseason, but will he adjust this time? He’s not used to NBA level transition defense.

Stupid laker fans aren’t going bananas now.

Personally, I live what Beverly is doing to Ball. Is some of it stupid? Yes. But he’s got inside of his head.

Oh I think he got into his head what I don't like is that he goes too far with the contact. Remember he caused Westbrook to have knee surgery doing that exact move jumping up on a guy when everyone in the building knows they're about to call timeout. When I played we called that false hustle, but with the Westbrook play he hit him so hard Westbrook fell and injured his knee trying to break his fall. He did that twice to Ball last night and once to Caruso, when he did it to Caruso you could see Luke Walton yelling at Beverly and then berating the ref right there.

I agree on the rebounds but I would add, there's not that many PG's where you can you can do that with, several of those rebounds he got the ball with Clips there, there's one play he actually got a rebound over Blake Griffin although he had better position.

He needs to be more aggressive, he let Beverly hound him too much, you have to go by the guy and make him pay for being that aggressive. He's a kid who played in a crazy HS system so he's only had 1 season in any sort of structure at all, it'll take him longer to adjust to the NBA but I still think he'll be a very good player.

 

[Russ Smith]

Lonzo is going to have to deal with this on a nightly basis. Bledsoe will probably go at him tomorrow minus the taunting and petty stuff after the whistle.

Oh definitely his dad talked too much and I have no problem with players going after him. I just don't like the stuff Beverly does that creates the opportunity for injuries.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on the play with Ingram where they got a steal and he undercut Ingram made him fall, the ref didnt' call the foul and the Clips got the ball right back. If you saw that one, I thought Luke Walton was going to come out onthe court and throttle the refs. It looked like Beverly was trying to intentionally foul Ingram to stop the break, lost his balance while doing it and ended up undercutting

 

[Russ Smith]

It's by design. He got in his head.

Again I get that, what I don't like is the stuff that can lead to injuries. I can't be the only person that remembers he did the exact same thing to Westbrook and RW wound up needing knee surgery over it?

He nearly got his head taken off against the Warriors last year for doing it to Curry, who has a history of ankle injuries, David West retaliated with a blatant cheap shot screen on him to make the point stop doing that crap.

Again very good player, the kind you love if he's on your team and hate if he's on another team doing stuff like that. I just don't like when he crosses the line and risks injury to guys.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Again I get that, what I don't like is the stuff that can lead to injuries. I can't be the only person that remembers he did the exact same thing to Westbrook and RW wound up needing knee surgery over it?

He nearly got his head taken off against the Warriors last year for doing it to Curry, who has a history of ankle injuries, David West retaliated with a blatant cheap shot screen on him to make the point stop doing that crap.

Again very good player, the kind you love if he's on your team and hate if he's on another team doing stuff like that. I just don't like when he crosses the line and risks injury to guys.

I agree.

And . . .

. . . um Draymond’s purposeful nut shots.

 

[Superbone]

Again I get that, what I don't like is the stuff that can lead to injuries. I can't be the only person that remembers he did the exact same thing to Westbrook and RW wound up needing knee surgery over it?

He nearly got his head taken off against the Warriors last year for doing it to Curry, who has a history of ankle injuries, David West retaliated with a blatant cheap shot screen on him to make the point stop doing that crap.

Again very good player, the kind you love if he's on your team and hate if he's on another team doing stuff like that. I just don't like when he crosses the line and risks injury to guys.

I admit I don't remember the play where he injured Westbrook but I didn't think what Beverly did last night was intended to injure a player. Ball is going to have a target on his head all season mostly because of his dad. It's not fair, but that's how it is.

 

[Russ Smith]

I admit I don't remember the play where he injured Westbrook but I didn't think what Beverly did last night was intended to injure a player. Ball is going to have a target on his head all season mostly because of his dad. It's not fair, but that's how it is.

To be clear it's not INTENDED to cause injury, but it can.

And I remembered it slightly wrong. There were 2 plays in an APril 2013 game with the Rockets and OKC. The first one Westbrook was dribbling over to the bench to call timeout, Beverley did that duck in and go for the steal move and collided with him out of bounds. Westbrook took exception and had to be held back.

later in the same game as Westbrook was dribbling again over to call a timeout, Beverley did it again but the ball was already in play, and this time he took out westbrook, he tore his meniscus and had to have surgery.

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The Curry play was last year and David West retaliated in a major way, IIRC West got a flagrant for it and it was well deserved.

again like with Draymond, when he's on your team you love the guy, when he's not you hate it. I guess what bothers me is when you've literally already caused one of the best players in the NBA to have knee surgery doing something like that, you'd hope maybe you tone it down.

 

[elindholm]

again like with Draymond, when he's on your team you love the guy, when he's not you hate it.

Not for me. Dirty play is dirty play. "Pesky," like Ainge usually was and, say, J. J. Barea is now, is different. Then it's annoying if it's against you, but you can embrace it if it helps your team. But genuinely dangerous play is not much different from cheating, and no fan should support it, nor organization tolerate it.

 

[Superbone]

I agree that if what you're doing can cause injury to your fellow athlete, then there is no place for it. The problem is that it's a fine line with these super athletes. The slightest thing can cause someone to come down wrong or on somebody's foot and have major consequences.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not for me. Dirty play is dirty play. "Pesky," like Ainge usually was and, say, J. J. Barea is now, is different. Then it's annoying if it's against you, but you can embrace it if it helps your team. But genuinely dangerous play is not much different from cheating, and no fan should support it, nor organization tolerate it.

Cmon Ainge wasn’t pesky. He was dirty. Just like elie. In fact speaking of elie, when Ainge chucked the ball at his head in an inbounds was that pesky? Nah. Dirty.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

To be clear it's not INTENDED to cause injury, but it can.

And I remembered it slightly wrong. There were 2 plays in an APril 2013 game with the Rockets and OKC. The first one Westbrook was dribbling over to the bench to call timeout, Beverley did that duck in and go for the steal move and collided with him out of bounds. Westbrook took exception and had to be held back.

later in the same game as Westbrook was dribbling again over to call a timeout, Beverley did it again but the ball was already in play, and this time he took out westbrook, he tore his meniscus and had to have surgery.

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The Curry play was last year and David West retaliated in a major way, IIRC West got a flagrant for it and it was well deserved.

again like with Draymond, when he's on your team you love the guy, when he's not you hate it. I guess what bothers me is when you've literally already caused one of the best players in the NBA to have knee surgery doing something like that, you'd hope maybe you tone it down.

Draymond wouldn’t tone it down if he injured someone. With his ego he’d likely come out swinging at any criticism.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Look, I like draymond. Wish he was a sun. But let’s not make him anything other than what he is, an uber-talented all-star thug.

 

[Ronin]

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[Cheesebeef]

Look, I like draymond. Wish he was a sun. But let’s not make him anything other than what he is, an uber-talented all-star thug.

Any Warrior fan who even dares mention another team's dirty play with Draymond and ankle breaker Zaza is being pretty damn hypocritical.

 

[elindholm]

Cmon Ainge wasn’t pesky. He was dirty. Just like elie. In fact speaking of elie, when Ainge chucked the ball at his head in an inbounds was that pesky? Nah. Dirty.

To be honest, I don't remember Ainge that well, so I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. If you say he was dirty, I have no argument. My dislike for him was so well-known that my brother got me his autograph as a joke.

 

[GatorAZ]

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[Lefty]

Cmon Ainge wasn’t pesky. He was dirty. Just like elie. In fact speaking of elie, when Ainge chucked the ball at his head in an inbounds was that pesky? Nah. Dirty.

I remember that, if that ball would of hit him in the head, he could of been seriously hurt. Ainge was like five feet from him when he threw it. Also, don't forget when Ainge bit Tree Rollins. He was a very dirty player.

 

[Mainstreet]

Dennis Smith was a late scratch in Friday's game against the Kings reportedly due to fluid buildup in his left knee.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...r-dallas-mavericks-late-scratch-knee-effusion

 

[Cheesebeef]

I remember that, if that ball would of hit him in the head, he could of been seriously hurt. Ainge was like five feet from him when he threw it. Also, don't forget when Ainge bit Tree Rollins. He was a very dirty player.

That ball DID him in the head and what was even more ridiculous/impressive about it was Ainge pegged his ass in between the three point line and half court! Was definitely using his baseball skills there.

Edit: Just watched again... it was only like SIX feet from out of bounds! That was gnarly.. and I love Ainge for it.

And he was as dirty as they come... and I loved him for it, which is why I don't complaint about dIrty players. I acknowledge they're dirty, but like someone said, when they're your dirty, you love 'em. Just don't complain about someone else in that scenario, IMO.