The 2017-2018 Around the NBA thread

[Hoop Head]

Wow. Unrest around the league.

Charlotte floating its best player to dump contracts.
IT leading a team meeting calling out Kevin Love in Cleveland
The Freak calling Jason Kidd and wanting to fight for his job for him in Milwaukee
Word leaking that Kawhi wants out of San Antonio.

Maybe we can profit from the misfortune of others.

If the Suns can somehow get Kawhi from the Spurs I think I'll finally be able to forgive them for the Horry hip check. I know that was just one player but they had Bowen, Parker, and Ginobli at that time and they were all dirty in one way or the other.

I would trade anyone on the Suns other than Booker and any picks other than our own 1st rounder. I'm not sure what San Antonio would be looking for in return but I think the Suns could offer youth, salary flexibility, and draft picks. I think Jackson is the only young player that Pop would be interested in. They may have interest in Warren but I don't know if Pop would care for either Chriss or Bender but he could take his pick. San Antonio doesn't really have any bad contracts other than Pau's deal, he's making $16 million a year throughout the next 2 seasons. Monroe, Jackson, Warren, and Bender for Kawhi and Pau would work, salary wise, and I'm sure we'd have to part with 1 of the Miami picks and/or the Bucks pick also. Trading for Kawhi while we don't have a head coach lined up might be a little bit of a problem, we'd need to hire a coach that would be able to use him correctly.

 

[Ronin]

SLAM Magazine
@SLAMonline

Jason Kidd reportedly "tried to trade" Jabari Parker before he was fired, per @GeryWoelfel : http://slam.ly/kidd-parker) slam.ly/kidd-parker

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think all the Suns fans handwringing about a horrible franchise we are etc, with the Bledsoe drama, might have been a little overstated. Stuff like this happens in San Antonio too.

Players are people. And people get weird sometimes.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If the Suns can somehow get Kawhi from the Spurs I think I'll finally be able to forgive them for the Horry hip check. I know that was just one player but they had Bowen, Parker, and Ginobli at that time and they were all dirty in one way or the other.

I would trade anyone on the Suns other than Booker and any picks other than our own 1st rounder. I'm not sure what San Antonio would be looking for in return but I think the Suns could offer youth, salary flexibility, and draft picks. I think Jackson is the only young player that Pop would be interested in. They may have interest in Warren but I don't know if Pop would care for either Chriss or Bender but he could take his pick. San Antonio doesn't really have any bad contracts other than Pau's deal, he's making $16 million a year throughout the next 2 seasons. Monroe, Jackson, Warren, and Bender for Kawhi and Pau would work, salary wise, and I'm sure we'd have to part with 1 of the Miami picks and/or the Bucks pick also. Trading for Kawhi while we don't have a head coach lined up might be a little bit of a problem, we'd need to hire a coach that would be able to use him correctly.

Maybe Monroe, Bender and the Miami pick could get Leonard!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Maybe Monroe, Bender and the Miami pick could get Leonard!

Oh my God... The above was a joke.

I didn’t even read your post but then saw you put something like that up as not only feasible for Leonard but Pau also.

Come the f on... again.

I mean, I don’t know what planet some of you live on sometimes. Like SA is going to take a pupu platter for a league MVP candidate AND Pau.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Maybe Monroe, Bender and the Miami pick could get Leonard!

Good grief people!! I hope you don't publish stuff like this anywhere else!

 

[Ronin]

Bill Simmons
@BillSimmons

I think the Suns have great fans. They need to start mobilizing now to make sure Jason Kidd doesn’t talk his way into that Phoenix head coaching job. Between him and Sarver just set the next 4 years on fire. You know I’m right. Mobilize now.

 

[Superbone]

NBA Rumors: Jason Kidd wanted out of Milwaukee to coach the Phoenix Suns

https://sircharlesincharge.com/2018/01/25/nba-rumors-jason-kidd-wanted-milwaukee-coach-phoenix-suns/

 

[Hoop Head]

Oh my God... The above was a joke.

I didn’t even read your post but then saw you put something like that up as not only feasible for Leonard but Pau also.

Come the f on... again.

I mean, I don’t know what planet some of you live on sometimes. Like SA is going to take a pupu platter for a league MVP candidate AND Pau.

Holy hell, do you even read posts or just see a proposal and assume the poster supports it 100% and start your rant before bothering to read the entirety of the post? If you admittedly decided not to finish reading my post, do me a favor and don't respond to it.

I'm tired of seeing you whine whenever anyone suggest a trade, even when the poster specifically says it's unlikely or it wouldn't happen. Like how I said the only player we have that San Antonio might be interested in is Jackson. I said that Pop wouldn't care for Bender or Chriss. Do I really need to openly say that it's unlikely the deal would happen even though I specifically said we only have 1 player that the Spurs might be interested in? I think we all know Jackson isn't worth very much so why continue on and say it wouldn't happen. I was simply throwing out what the Suns could offer which makes it look incredibly unlikely. I thought that went without saying but apparently it needs to be said to keep you from throwing a tantrum.

 

[Hoop Head]

Oh my God... The above was a joke.

I didn’t even read your post but then saw you put something like that up as not only feasible for Leonard but Pau also.

Come the f on... again.

I mean, I don’t know what planet some of you live on sometimes. Like SA is going to take a pupu platter for a league MVP candidate AND Pau.

Pau is getting paid $16 million a year for the next 3 years, until he's 40. If you think he's worth that money then you're not being realistic. If the Spurs traded Leonard they'd have no need for Pau any longer as they wouldn't be competing this year or next and do you want to pay $16 million for Pau to put up 10 & 7?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think anytime someone throws out a trade proposal it’s appropriate to tear it apart if it’s beyond reason. If you don’t think it’s possible, why type it out?

Twice in our history we have been involved in blockbuster trades. Once when we gave up the all-star (nance) for a pupu platter (kj, West, Corbin, 1st rounder). Kj had been the #7 pick in the draft and the draft pick ended up being a high teen pick. West and Corbin were younger serviceable vets. In other words, Cleveland gave up a lot for an all star. The other was Charles. We gave up an all star (horny) and two young rotation vets (perry and Lang). In other words, you rarely get an all star, much less an mvp who is still young for the pupu platters most of you are suggesting.

And NO to kidd.

 

[Mainstreet]

I was going to discuss the pupu platter used to acquire Kyrie Irving when I came across the following story.

It is being reported he used the threat of surgery as leverage to get traded.

See link below.

Things are pretty strange these days in Cleveland, and now we have a report to match. According to Joe Vardon, the Cavaliers were forced to trade Kyrie Irving during the offseason because the All-Star guard threatened to sit out the season and undergo knee surgery if they didn't deal him. Via Cleveland.com:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...to-have-knee-surgery-if-cavs-didnt-trade-him/

 

[elindholm]

Twice in our history we have been involved in blockbuster trades. Once when we gave up the all-star (nance) for a pupu platter (kj, West, Corbin, 1st rounder). Kj had been the #7 pick in the draft and the draft pick ended up being a high teen pick. West and Corbin were younger serviceable vets. In other words, Cleveland gave up a lot for an all star. The other was Charles. We gave up an all star (horny) and two young rotation vets (perry and Lang). In other words, you rarely get an all star, much less an mvp who is still young for the pupu platters most of you are suggesting.

I agree with you, but don't forget the trade that sent Barkley from Phoenix to Houston. The Suns got back the ultimate pupu platter of Cassell, Horry, Chucky Brown, and Mark Bryant. Granted, Barkley was on the downside of his career at that point, but of the four players Phoenix got back, only Bryant stuck around for more than half a season. The Suns basically gave away Barkley for Bryant straight up.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I agree with you, but don't forget the trade that sent Barkley from Phoenix to Houston. The Suns got back the ultimate pupu platter of Cassell, Horry, Chucky Brown, and Mark Bryant. Granted, Barkley was on the downside of his career at that point, but of the four players Phoenix got back, only Bryant stuck around for more than half a season. The Suns basically gave away Barkley for Bryant straight up.

That was the WAY downside of Barkley’s career. And cassell was a good player and horry became big shot bob on championship teams. The suns just couldn’t make it work with those two.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think the main point here is that IF San Antonio does trade Kahwi, it will be extremely hard for them to get back his value in trade. The only way in which it really could happen is if some other star player is unhappy somewhere else.

For a team like the Suns, they would have to give up nearly everything. So in the end, all they would have is Kawhi, and then he would be unhappy here too. It would be a similar story with other teams. Maybe a team like Golden State could do a deal. Trade Durant or Klay or something. But why would they want to mess with that chemistry. OKC might trade Paul George, but he can't be worth that much. Would New Orleans give up the Brow and then resign Cousins? Even Boston doesn't really have the right mix of assets. A top 5 pick in this draft would go a long ways, but I am not sure San Antonio would think it was enough and I think a lot of teams would think its too much. The hype is strong with draft.

If San Antonio HAS to give up Kawhi, some one is going to get a good deal.

I am not going to suggest a trade. Cheese will mock me if I do.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think the main point here is that IF San Antonio does trade Kahwi, it will be extremely hard for them to get back his value in trade. The only way in which it really could happen is if some other star player is unhappy somewhere else.

For a team like the Suns, they would have to give up nearly everything. So in the end, all they would have is Kawhi, and then he would be unhappy here too. It would be a similar story with other teams. Maybe a team like Golden State could do a deal. Trade Durant or Klay or something. But why would they want to mess with that chemistry. OKC might trade Paul George, but he can't be worth that much. Would New Orleans give up the Brow and then resign Cousins? Even Boston doesn't really have the right mix of assets. A top 5 pick in this draft would go a long ways, but I am not sure San Antonio would think it was enough and I think a lot of teams would think its too much. The hype is strong with draft.

If San Antonio HAS to give up Kawhi, some one is going to get a good deal.

I am not going to suggest a trade. Cheese will mock me if I do.

Only if it’s mock-worthy!

Even if there are issues with Leonard and the Spurs, I can’t see them panicking at the first sign of problems. They had an issue with Aldridge, they worked it out, and now he’s back to putting up career numbers. Won’t surprise me if that happens with Leonard, if there really is that big of an issue.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Only if it’s mock-worthy!

Even if there are issues with Leonard and the Spurs, I can’t see them panicking at the first sign of problems. They had an issue with Aldridge, they worked it out, and now he’s back to putting up career numbers. Won’t surprise me if that happens with Leonard, if there really is that big of an issue.

But that is the point. There is no reasonable trade we could even propose that would make sense for the Suns, let alone for San Antonio. I think some here have proposed the best deal the Suns could make that would make sense, knowing that it is clearly not enough.

I dont see San Antonio panicking either. I have said all along, if I was Pop I would just say no. That's what the Lakers did with Kobe. That's what NO did with Gordon. If Kawhi goes on some "strike" of some kind, just wait it out.

You wonder if McD could have done that with Bledsoe. But I think he was so ticked that Bled would purposely play so poorly just to get traded. That lack of integrity was just too much.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think the main point here is that IF San Antonio does trade Kahwi, it will be extremely hard for them to get back his value in trade. The only way in which it really could happen is if some other star player is unhappy somewhere else.

For a team like the Suns, they would have to give up nearly everything. So in the end, all they would have is Kawhi, and then he would be unhappy here too. It would be a similar story with other teams. Maybe a team like Golden State could do a deal. Trade Durant or Klay or something. But why would they want to mess with that chemistry. OKC might trade Paul George, but he can't be worth that much. Would New Orleans give up the Brow and then resign Cousins? Even Boston doesn't really have the right mix of assets. A top 5 pick in this draft would go a long ways, but I am not sure San Antonio would think it was enough and I think a lot of teams would think its too much. The hype is strong with draft.

If San Antonio HAS to give up Kawhi, some one is going to get a good deal.

I am not going to suggest a trade. Cheese will mock me if I do.

The spurs are such a good organization I can’t see them not getting past any issue with kawhi. I can’t recall any player ever wanting OUT of San Antonio. That said, you actually raised maybe the only viable trade I’ve ever seen. The Brow. If the Pels think they can’t win as constructed then Kawhi may be viewed as a level trade and better compliment to Cousins. And I could see Pop salivating at the Brow.

 

[Hoop Head]

The All-Star teams have been selected, here they are. Wish they would have shown the selections live.


LeBron James (EAST):

Starters: Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, Kyrie Irving
Bench: Bradley Beal, LaMarcus Aldridge, Kevin Love, Russell Westbrook, Victor Oladipo, Kristaps Porzingis, John Wall

Stephen Curry (WEST):

Starters: James Harden, DeMar DeRozan, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Joel Embiid
Bench: Damian Lillard, Jimmy Butler, Draymond Green, Kyle Lowry, Klay Thompson, Karl-Anthony Towns, Al Horford

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[Cheesebeef]

NBA Rumors: Jason Kidd wanted out of Milwaukee to coach the Phoenix Suns

https://sircharlesincharge.com/2018/01/25/nba-rumors-jason-kidd-wanted-milwaukee-coach-phoenix-suns/

Oh... come the f on!

 

[Raindog]

Twice in our history we have been involved in blockbuster trades. Once when we gave up the all-star (nance) for a pupu platter (kj, West, Corbin, 1st rounder). Kj had been the #7 pick in the draft and the draft pick ended up being a high teen pick. West and Corbin were younger serviceable vets. In other words, Cleveland gave up a lot for an all star.

And that high teen pick we got... ended up being Dan Majerle. So we got KJ, Majerle, Corbin and West for Larry Nance. A pretty darn good haul. So sometimes the pupu platter is the best thing on the menu.

Granted, that was back in the day when the Suns scouting department was pretty much peerless in the NBA.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Oh... come the f on!

I am a McD fan, but if he grants Kidd an interview, McD should immediately be fired.

 

[Superbone]

Oh... come the f on!

You don't really think he'd come to this one horse town, do you?!

 

[Cheesebeef]

And that high teen pick we got... ended up being Dan Majerle. So we got KJ, Majerle, Corbin and West for Larry Nance. A pretty darn good haul. So sometimes the pupu platter is the best thing on the menu.

Granted, that was back in the day when the Suns scouting department was pretty much peerless in the NBA.

It was also back when first round picks had MUCH higher value.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I agree with you, but don't forget the trade that sent Barkley from Phoenix to Houston. The Suns got back the ultimate pupu platter of Cassell, Horry, Chucky Brown, and Mark Bryant. Granted, Barkley was on the downside of his career at that point, but of the four players Phoenix got back, only Bryant stuck around for more than half a season. The Suns basically gave away Barkley for Bryant straight up.

Barkley was on the wrong end of 33 when they made that trade and had already been dealing with injuries the previous three seasons.

Oh... just saw you mentioned that. Still, it explains why we got the “pupu platter”.