The 2017-2018 Around the NBA thread

[Chaplin]

Rose is eligible for the Wolves playoff roster. Not sure where you're getting the idea that he wouldn't be able to play for them in the postseason.


Here is a link to an article by NBA.com that says he is playoff eligible...




http://www.nba.com/article/2018/03/08/derrick-rose-minnesota-timberwolves-report#/

Ah, it has to do when he was waived, not when he is signed. Makes sense.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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[Superbone]

I'm kind of surprised that Kerr puts up with that from Zaza also. It makes some sense why he turns a blind eye to a lot of the things Draymond does because he's quite possibly the most valuable player on that Warriors team but Zaza isn't anywhere close to that. He's not a difference maker and is probably the 10th best player on the Warriors roster. As a former player himself though you'd think he wouldn't tolerate cheap shots by his players, especially with that being their only contribution to that team when they're on the court. I could see keeping things quiet behind the scenes but he continues to start him every game.

He came out of the Spurs system. What are you talking about. Of course he endorses cheap shots.

 

[Ronin]

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MRI results on New Orleans Pelicans star Anthony Davis’ left ankle revealed a sprain, league source tells ESPN. He’s day to day and doubtful for Friday game.

 

[Mainstreet]

It would have been interesting if the Suns kicked the tires on Georgios Papagiannis who signed a 10-day contract with the Trail Blazers. Actually the Suns drafted him for the Kings.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249193/Blazers-Sign-Georgios-Papagiannis-To-10-Day-Contract

 

[Hoop Head]

It would have been interesting if the Suns kicked the tires on Georgios Papagiannis who signed a 10-day contract with the Trail Blazers. Actually the Suns drafted him for the Kings.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249193/Blazers-Sign-Georgios-Papagiannis-To-10-Day-Contract

He's someone who I hope they give a look to this summer. I don't think he'll get more than a minimum contract offer if he stays in the NBA rather than going overseas. The Kings were really high on him, selecting him at #13 in last years draft. I was surprised they waived him. He averaged 5.6 ppg & 3.9 rpg as a rookie in 16 minutes a game. He only played in 22 games though. He may still be a decent backup, he's young. He played a lot in the G-League during his rookie year, averaging 13.7 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 2.6 blocks in 32 minutes a game in the 23 games he played there.

 

[Mainstreet]

He's someone who I hope they give a look to this summer. I don't think he'll get more than a minimum contract offer if he stays in the NBA rather than going overseas. The Kings were really high on him, selecting him at #13 in last years draft. I was surprised they waived him. He averaged 5.6 ppg & 3.9 rpg as a rookie in 16 minutes a game. He only played in 22 games though. He may still be a decent backup, he's young. He played a lot in the G-League during his rookie year, averaging 13.7 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 2.6 blocks in 32 minutes a game in the 23 games he played there.

I wouldn't mind the Suns taking a look at him as well even though Williams may be back in April.

 

[3rdside]

LOL

I wills say, that's awesome. Probably means nothing, but still...

Statistics never lie

 

[Phrazbit]

Sam Presti has long had the rep of being a great GM... but over the last several years has he even been average? Is he just a guy who lucked into Durant, Harden and Westbrook... then proceeded to piss that away?

The Harden trade was an unmitigated disaster, they gave up a top 5 player for virtually nothing and did so because of a 10 million dollar gap (2 mil per year) in contract negotiations. The Carmelo trade was dumb, I'd rather have Enes Kanter straight up, and he'd fit better on that team. Even the Paul George trade isn't looking so hot, as Oladipo is playing like a true superstar in Indiana and Sabonis has been excellent.

Their tinkering and pursuit of big names have left that team with almost no depth. If George leaves this summer (and I would say it is likely he does) they will have lost Kevin Durant, James Harden, Victor Oladipo and Paul George for essentially... nothing.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Sam Presti has long had the rep of being a great GM... but over the last several years has he even been average? Is he just a guy who lucked into Durant, Harden and Westbrook... then proceeded to piss that away?

The Harden trade was an unmitigated disaster, they gave up a top 5 player for virtually nothing and did so because of a 10 million dollar gap (2 mil per year) in contract negotiations. The Carmelo trade was dumb, I'd rather have Enes Kanter straight up, and he'd fit better on that team. Even the Paul George trade isn't looking so hot, as Oladipo is playing like a true superstar in Indiana and Sabonis has been excellent.

Their tinkering and pursuit of big names have left that team with almost no depth. If George leaves this summer (and I would say it is likely he does) they will have lost Kevin Durant, James Harden, Victor Oladipo and Paul George for essentially... nothing.

I totally agree with this assessment of Presti. You can tinker too much. He should have just paid Harden.

 

[JustWinBaby]

Sam Presti has long had the rep of being a great GM... but over the last several years has he even been average? Is he just a guy who lucked into Durant, Harden and Westbrook... then proceeded to piss that away?

The Harden trade was an unmitigated disaster, they gave up a top 5 player for virtually nothing and did so because of a 10 million dollar gap (2 mil per year) in contract negotiations. The Carmelo trade was dumb, I'd rather have Enes Kanter straight up, and he'd fit better on that team. Even the Paul George trade isn't looking so hot, as Oladipo is playing like a true superstar in Indiana and Sabonis has been excellent.

Their tinkering and pursuit of big names have left that team with almost no depth. If George leaves this summer (and I would say it is likely he does) they will have lost Kevin Durant, James Harden, Victor Oladipo and Paul George for essentially... nothing.

I agree with you but I thought it was a decision between keeping Harden or Ibaka.

In Harden's 2nd year at 22 years old OKC breezed through the west and were beaten in finals by the Heat 1 to 4. I think Harden had a weak finals performance and some used that as justification for moving him while choosing to keep Ibaka instead. Oklahoma City has not been close to returning to the finals since Harden was traded.

One of the worst decisions in league history and I said it at the time of the trade. You never know for sure but I expect that ********* (Westbrook, Durant and Harden) would have won a championship by now if they were kept together.

OKC could be down at our level in the near future.

 

[Phrazbit]

I agree with you but I thought it was a decision between keeping Harden or Ibaka.

In Harden's 2nd year at 22 years old OKC breezed through the west and were beaten in finals by the Heat 1 to 4. I think Harden had a weak finals performance and some used that as justification for moving him while choosing to keep Ibaka instead. Oklahoma City has not been close to returning to the finals since Harden was traded.

One of the worst decisions in league history and I said it at the time of the trade. You never know for sure but I expect that ********* (Westbrook, Durant and Harden) would have won a championship by now if they were kept together.

OKC could be down at our level in the near future.

According to this article it is even worse than the picture I painted.

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forwar...aks-down-his-trade-of-james-harden-to-rockets

Harden wanted 60/4, OKC wasn't willing to go beyond 54/4. And to make matters worse, they had a amnesty clause at their disposal and Kendrick Perkins' rotting corpse on their roster. They could have easily cleared the money.

 

[Cheesebeef]

According to this article it is even worse than the picture I painted.

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forwar...aks-down-his-trade-of-james-harden-to-rockets

Harden wanted 60/4, OKC wasn't willing to go beyond 54/4. And to make matters worse, they had a amnesty clause at their disposal and Kendrick Perkins' rotting corpse on their roster. They could have easily cleared the money.

I never understood a) making Ibaka a priority over Harden and b) not amnestying Perkins.

Those guys are arguably three of the best five players in basketball. Watching them go head to head with the Heat for years would have been Finals basketball bliss. And eventually they would have just destroyed everyone in their path.

 

[GatorAZ]

I never understood a) making Ibaka a priority over Harden and b) not amnestying Perkins.

Those guys are arguably three of the best five players in basketball. Watching them go head to head with the Heat for years would have been Finals basketball bliss. And eventually they would have just destroyed everyone in their path.

Not defending the trade but Harden wasn’t considered a top-5 player until D’Antoni came along. He wouldn’t have reached that pinnacle playing with Westbrook and Durant.

I can’t believe they only got Kevin Martin and some mediocre picks out of it though.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Not defending the trade but Harden wasn’t considered a top-5 player until D’Antoni came along. He wouldn’t have reached that pinnacle playing with Westbrook and Durant.

I can’t believe they only got Kevin Martin and some mediocre picks out of it though.

Yeah he was. Before DA showed up, Harden singlehandedly got that rubble of Rocket trash to the WCF three years ago with McHale coaching and was already 1st team All NBA twice with Houston and came up 2nd in MVP voting in 2015... all before DA got there.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yeah he was. Before DA showed up, Harden singlehandedly got that rubble of Rocket trash to the WCF three years ago with McHale coaching and was already 1st team All NBA twice with Houston and came up 2nd in MVP voting in 2015... all before DA got there.

Yes. But he was not top five before being traded.

 

[Hoop Head]

Not defending the trade but Harden wasn’t considered a top-5 player until D’Antoni came along. He wouldn’t have reached that pinnacle playing with Westbrook and Durant.

I can’t believe they only got Kevin Martin and some mediocre picks out of it though.

He was just a 6th man in OKC though. While he was highly regarded he definitely wasn't a top 5 player in the league but most thought he could become that if he had his own team. He was viewed as a top 15-20 player before the trade to Houston. He became a top 10 player in Houston immediately but didn't become a legit MVP candidate until D'Antoni came on board though.

 

[GatorAZ]

Yeah he was. Before DA showed up, Harden singlehandedly got that rubble of Rocket trash to the WCF three years ago with McHale coaching and was already 1st team All NBA twice with Houston and came up 2nd in MVP voting in 2015... all before DA got there.

Well I take it back. They should’ve traded Westbrook.

 

[Phrazbit]

Not defending the trade but Harden wasn’t considered a top-5 player until D’Antoni came along. He wouldn’t have reached that pinnacle playing with Westbrook and Durant.

I can’t believe they only got Kevin Martin and some mediocre picks out of it though.

Maybe not statistically, merely because there was only one ball, but the stats and efficiency he put up in his 3rd year was insane.

Also, he was an MVP runner up before D'Antoni and top 5 in voting a year before, a two time first team all NBA player. Harden's super stardom has been apparent since that 3rd season in OKC.

 

[Phrazbit]

Well I take it back. They should’ve traded Westbrook.

They should've and could've kept all 3.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yes. But he was not top five before being traded.

Great... What’s your point? He was clearly massively talented and young and growing leaps and bounds every year while having to defer to the other two Alphas.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well I take it back. They should’ve traded Westbrook.

They shouldn’t have traded ANY of them.

They would have possibly had the best Big 3 of all time... all of them the same age, ready to dominate for a decade.

 

[GatorAZ]

They shouldn’t have traded ANY of them.

They would have possibly had the best Big 3 of all time... all of them the same age, ready to dominate for a decade.

It would’ve been interesting to see as both Harden and Westbrook evolved into alphas and how their egos would’ve handled it. Even though it wouldn’t have worked long term you think they could’ve won at least one title together.

 

[JustWinBaby]

Maybe not statistically, merely because there was only one ball, but the stats and efficiency he put up in his 3rd year was insane.

Also, he was an MVP runner up before D'Antoni and top 5 in voting a year before, a two time first team all NBA player. Harden's super stardom has been apparent since that 3rd season in OKC.

His stats in third year at 22 - while not considered top 5, he should have been.

Points per shot attempt - 1.65 (historic) - Amare had the prior best standard in the league @1.5 - Jordan was around 1.3

Efg% - .582

This while being a 6th man I believe.

 

[Cheesebeef]

His stats in third year at 22 - while not considered top 5, he should have been.

Points per shot attempt - 1.65 (historic) - Amare had the prior best standard in the league @1.5 - Jordan was around 1.3

Efg% - .582

This while being a 6th man I believe.

yeah. it was clear that he was a mega-stud, even off the bench and would explode when given more opportunity.