The 2017-2018 Around the NBA thread

[Mainstreet]

He does nothing for the Suns but adding him to the Rockets, OKC, Portland, or even the Pelicans would make them better. I think Davis and Love would be a better pairing than Cousins and Davis. He'd be a solid 3rd option on the right team. He's not talented enough to be "The Man" on a winning team though. He couldn't win in Minnesota and he hasn't shown much improvement in Cleveland. It all depends on the destination though. His value to certain teams should be close to is contract, provided he doesn't expect a new deal for the max.

I guess if other bad contracts are traded for him it works.

 

[GatorAZ]

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Will Ainge give him a max extension with all the other younger talent they have?

 

[Hoop Head]

Before this season, it seemed clear Boston would pay Kyrie the max and they'd have their core locked in for the next 4-5 years. That was before the playoffs though, where they went far without him. They won't win the East without him, even with a healthy Hayward, but they need Kyrie to challenge the Warriors. Is he worth the max, which someone else will gladly pay him? I don't think he is to Boston. They may have been better off keeping IT, Crowder, and the #8 pick. If Kyrie leaves after this season, that will be the narrative that's pushed. Shouldn't have treated IT like they did, should have made it work with him, and pay him a reasonable extension. IT wants the max, he won't get it, but he could get a $20 million deal from somewhere. Why not work a sign and trade with Boston for Kyrie? If they could do a sign and trade and add another pick or player, that might be better than letting Kyrie expire and leave for nothing.

I wonder how the Kyrie/IT trade will be viewed after this next season. No one won, that's safe to say at the moment. Cleveland probably did get the better end since they got the draft pick in the deal. Crowder was a disappointment for them but they traded him for Hood, an expiring deal, so they don't have any salary obligations left from that trade except Zizic, who is making like $1.2 million a year.

At this point, I wouldn't be shocked by a sign and trade for IT. It seems unlikely, but it was unlikely they'd trade IT after how he helped jumpstart their resurgence. He recruited Hayward for them and then they dealt him for Kyrie. That was cold. If he could get a no-trade clause, I think he'd be open to return. It's all about the money though. He has to know he's not getting the max from anyone, so what will he accept? What team will pay that?

 

[Hoop Head]

Dwane Casey has signed with the Pistons to be their next head coach. Not a bad hire for them at all. They have talent, they started the season quite well and then fell apart when Reggie Jackson returned from injury. Casey really helped turn Lowry into an All-Star in Toronto, if he can get Reggie Jackson back to the player he was in OKC then he was a good hire. Van Gundy was just bad for the Pistons. Not sure if the NBA moved past him, stylistically but he just couldn't do anything good with them. I figured Casey would land on his feet but wasn't sure where he'd end up.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23761429/dwane-casey-agrees-5-year-deal-detroit-pistons-new-coach

 

[JCSunsfan]

No one wants Kidd?

He seems perfect for the Lakers.

 

[JCSunsfan]

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See. There it is. AD is expendable!

 

[Ronin]

huh?

 

[JCSunsfan]

huh?

 

[Hoop Head]

This could be big, if true, apparently Draymond Green will turn down a max extension because he wants to earn a super max deal. According to reports, he has 0 interest in taking a discount to keep the team together. We'll see what happens. If true, he is probably the one player that would effect the Warriors the most by leaving. I know a big 3 of Durant, Curry, and Klay is still really good but Draymond helps them get away with playing small ball and also takes a lot of the playmaking burden off of Steph's plate, allowing him to be a shooter and scorer more than facilitator.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-league

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This could be big, if true, apparently Draymond Green will turn down a max extension because he wants to earn a super max deal. According to reports, he has 0 interest in taking a discount to keep the team together. We'll see what happens. If true, he is probably the one player that would effect the Warriors the most by leaving. I know a big 3 of Durant, Curry, and Klay is still really good but Draymond helps them get away with playing small ball and also takes a lot of the playmaking burden off of Steph's plate, allowing him to be a shooter and scorer more than facilitator.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-league

Yeah I don’t think that article (a) really supports the title or (b) that draymond will get a Supermax from anyone. He might be the greatest glue ever in the history of the game and linchpin for what the warriors do, but he can’t singlehandedly carry a team.

 

[Ronin]

Super Max for Draymond Green. I hope so.

 

[Mainstreet]

This could be big, if true, apparently Draymond Green will turn down a max extension because he wants to earn a super max deal. According to reports, he has 0 interest in taking a discount to keep the team together. We'll see what happens. If true, he is probably the one player that would effect the Warriors the most by leaving. I know a big 3 of Durant, Curry, and Klay is still really good but Draymond helps them get away with playing small ball and also takes a lot of the playmaking burden off of Steph's plate, allowing him to be a shooter and scorer more than facilitator.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-league

Yeah I don’t think that article (a) really supports the title or (b) that draymond will get a Supermax from anyone. He might be the greatest glue ever in the history of the game and linchpin for what the warriors do, but he can’t singlehandedly carry a team.

It's hard to envision Green getting the super max from any team. He still has two years left on his contract. If the Warriors offer him an extension for 3 years at $72 million, he better grab it.

 

[Hoop Head]

It's odd how some NBA players think in regards to contracts. They'll accept a lesser deal elsewhere because they feel their own team doesn't value them enough. I look at IT in Boston, he said he wanted the max and he got shipped out. There was no one else who was going to pay him that sort of money but he still felt he deserved it. Surely his agent told him that the market for him wasn't great outside of Boston but he burned that bridge anyways. Then last summer guys like Caldwell-Pope said they were max players and turned down lesser deals even though there wasn't a market for him. He signed a large 1 year deal with the Lakers instead. Nerlens Noel had a huge offer from Dallas but wanted a max contract and turned down the 4 year 72 million dollar extension for the 1 year qualifying offer. I don't know what Draymond will get in the open market but it won't be the max, or super max, but I don't think the money matters to him as much as being valued by the Warriors enough that they don't ask him to take a pay cut.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It's odd how some NBA players think in regards to contracts. They'll accept a lesser deal elsewhere because they feel their own team doesn't value them enough. I look at IT in Boston, he said he wanted the max and he got shipped out. There was no one else who was going to pay him that sort of money but he still felt he deserved it. Surely his agent told him that the market for him wasn't great outside of Boston but he burned that bridge anyways. Then last summer guys like Caldwell-Pope said they were max players and turned down lesser deals even though there wasn't a market for him. He signed a large 1 year deal with the Lakers instead. Nerlens Noel had a huge offer from Dallas but wanted a max contract and turned down the 4 year 72 million dollar extension for the 1 year qualifying offer. I don't know what Draymond will get in the open market but it won't be the max, or super max, but I don't think the money matters to him as much as being valued by the Warriors enough that they don't ask him to take a pay cut.

It’s not just the nba. Look at the nfl too. Honey badger. He was way overpaid. Cards tried to negotiate a cheaper deal. He was insulted and left for the Texans who I believe are paying him less than he would’ve made with the cards. Their egos make them make big financial mistakes.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's odd how some NBA players think in regards to contracts. They'll accept a lesser deal elsewhere because they feel their own team doesn't value them enough. I look at IT in Boston, he said he wanted the max and he got shipped out. There was no one else who was going to pay him that sort of money but he still felt he deserved it. Surely his agent told him that the market for him wasn't great outside of Boston but he burned that bridge anyways. Then last summer guys like Caldwell-Pope said they were max players and turned down lesser deals even though there wasn't a market for him. He signed a large 1 year deal with the Lakers instead. Nerlens Noel had a huge offer from Dallas but wanted a max contract and turned down the 4 year 72 million dollar extension for the 1 year qualifying offer. I don't know what Draymond will get in the open market but it won't be the max, or super max, but I don't think the money matters to him as much as being valued by the Warriors enough that they don't ask him to take a pay cut.

In today's NBA, it appears a lot of agents are content to feed the ego of players rather than tell them the truth. You give some great examples of players that are unlikely to receive the money they were expecting.

 

[Mainstreet]

Raptors hire Nick Nurse as their head coach.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250164/Raptors-Agree-To-Hire-Nick-Nurse-As-Head-Coach

 

[Hoop Head]

It's odd how they let their egos interfere with their careers and bank account that much. I think back to Latrell Sprewell when he turned down a 3 year $21 million dollar extension from the Timberwolves because he said it wasn't enough to "feed my family". He had 1 year remaining on his contract that paid him $14 million for the final season, the offer was an extension, so not even something they needed to do. That was his final season in the NBA because he was 35 years old. No one made him an offer as a free agent because of those comments. I'm sure his previous reputation didn't help but that was sort of the final straw. No one was offering him big money at 35 years old when the cap was less than half of what it is now.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's odd how they let their egos interfere with their careers and bank account that much. I think back to Latrell Sprewell when he turned down a 3 year $21 million dollar extension from the Timberwolves because he said it wasn't enough to "feed my family". He had 1 year remaining on his contract that paid him $14 million for the final season, the offer was an extension, so not even something they needed to do. That was his final season in the NBA because he was 35 years old. No one made him an offer as a free agent because of those comments. I'm sure his previous reputation didn't help but that was sort of the final straw. No one was offering him big money at 35 years old when the cap was less than half of what it is now.

I had to go back read some history on it after your post. It's mind boggling.

http://financialjuneteenth.com/latr...r-100-million-but-now-has-no-house-no-family/

 

[Hoop Head]

I thought this was odd, probably nothing to it but who knows. It's the offseason and there isn't much to talk about anyways until the draft so I thought I'd share this.

Andrew Bogut sent out this tweet about getting ready to watch the drama unfold this summer in regards to free agent signings across the NBA, while also hinting that we'll see more super teams form. In that tweet he also says most players know where they're going already and a number of deals have already been worked out verbally. Here is the tweet...

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That's not hard to believe and he's not saying anything directly either. He was in Cleveland a year ago with Lebron and company before getting waived after he got hurt. Of course he was part of the Warrior's title team back in 2015 also. Bogut has experience with super teams. He's not a sports reporter, he's just an old NBA player and gains nothing by making that comment. He loses nothing either if it's false or he made it up entirely on his own. He's at the end of his career anyways, it won't effect whether he's signed or not either.

Normally I wouldn't think twice about a tweet like that but I just saw another that made me think of that Bogut tweet. Damian Lillard tweeted in response to a fan who said he should be traded because they won't get past Golden State. His tweet could very well means he plans on beating the Warriors or it could mean he's asking for a trade, or he knows something about either himself or McCollum being moved, who knows. Lillard and McCollum are the only 2 Blazers that can be named as part of a super team of any sort without being laughed at. We'll see what happens, could be nothing and probably is nothing, but I thought it was odd to see both those today.

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Lillard rarely, if ever, responds to these sort of tweets normally. That's another reason I thought a bit more of that Bogut tweet when I saw his. The Blazers are capped out and they'll be paying virtually a dollar for dollar tax if they resign Nurkic. Their offseason options are very limited unless they plan on blowing things up, like many suspected after they got eliminated from the postseason by New Orleans quite easily. We'll see.

 

[Folster]

I'm really hoping the Lakers give CP3, LeBron, and PG max deals while they ship out all of their young talent. That team will compete for a couple years before they succumb to age and will be stangled financially.

 

[Mainstreet]

I thought this was odd, probably nothing to it but who knows. It's the offseason and there isn't much to talk about anyways until the draft so I thought I'd share this.

Andrew Bogut sent out this tweet about getting ready to watch the drama unfold this summer in regards to free agent signings across the NBA, while also hinting that we'll see more super teams form. In that tweet he also says most players know where they're going already and a number of deals have already been worked out verbally. Here is the tweet...

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That's not hard to believe and he's not saying anything directly either. He was in Cleveland a year ago with Lebron and company before getting waived after he got hurt. Of course he was part of the Warrior's title team back in 2015 also. Bogut has experience with super teams. He's not a sports reporter, he's just an old NBA player and gains nothing by making that comment. He loses nothing either if it's false or he made it up entirely on his own. He's at the end of his career anyways, it won't effect whether he's signed or not either.

Normally I wouldn't think twice about a tweet like that but I just saw another that made me think of that Bogut tweet. Damian Lillard tweeted in response to a fan who said he should be traded because they won't get past Golden State. His tweet could very well means he plans on beating the Warriors or it could mean he's asking for a trade, or he knows something about either himself or McCollum being moved, who knows. Lillard and McCollum are the only 2 Blazers that can be named as part of a super team of any sort without being laughed at. We'll see what happens, could be nothing and probably is nothing, but I thought it was odd to see both those today.

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Lillard rarely, if ever, responds to these sort of tweets normally. That's another reason I thought a bit more of that Bogut tweet when I saw his. The Blazers are capped out and they'll be paying virtually a dollar for dollar tax if they resign Nurkic. Their offseason options are very limited unless they plan on blowing things up, like many suspected after they got eliminated from the postseason by New Orleans quite easily. We'll see.

It's hard to see Portland trading Lillard but if they did they would want a talented player in return plus an abundance of assets. I can see the Lakers being a trade partner if they do not land top free agents.

 

[Hoop Head]

It's hard to see Portland trading Lillard but if they did they would want a talented player in return plus an abundance of assets. I can see the Lakers being a trade partner if they do not land top free agents.

I can see that, the Lakers getting involved. I don't think Lillard goes anywhere though. McCollum is probably the most likely player they deal. He's a good player but not great and his skillset overlaps with Lillard's quite a bit. I think they have to retain Nurkic also, if they hope to be in the playoff hunt. Replacing a wing is easier than a good big man. Nurkic averages around 14.3 & 9, is still young, and has helped Portland since he around during the 2017 trade deadline. He's a quality big for the right price. Since he's restricted I can't see Portland passing. If they deal McCollum first then no one will offer him a max offer sheet or something they won't match. It'll be obvious that's why they moved CJ, to pay for Nurkic.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I thought this was odd, probably nothing to it but who knows. It's the offseason and there isn't much to talk about anyways until the draft so I thought I'd share this.

Andrew Bogut sent out this tweet about getting ready to watch the drama unfold this summer in regards to free agent signings across the NBA, while also hinting that we'll see more super teams form. In that tweet he also says most players know where they're going already and a number of deals have already been worked out verbally. Here is the tweet...

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That's not hard to believe and he's not saying anything directly either. He was in Cleveland a year ago with Lebron and company before getting waived after he got hurt. Of course he was part of the Warrior's title team back in 2015 also. Bogut has experience with super teams. He's not a sports reporter, he's just an old NBA player and gains nothing by making that comment. He loses nothing either if it's false or he made it up entirely on his own. He's at the end of his career anyways, it won't effect whether he's signed or not either.

Normally I wouldn't think twice about a tweet like that but I just saw another that made me think of that Bogut tweet. Damian Lillard tweeted in response to a fan who said he should be traded because they won't get past Golden State. His tweet could very well means he plans on beating the Warriors or it could mean he's asking for a trade, or he knows something about either himself or McCollum being moved, who knows. Lillard and McCollum are the only 2 Blazers that can be named as part of a super team of any sort without being laughed at. We'll see what happens, could be nothing and probably is nothing, but I thought it was odd to see both those today.

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Lillard rarely, if ever, responds to these sort of tweets normally. That's another reason I thought a bit more of that Bogut tweet when I saw his. The Blazers are capped out and they'll be paying virtually a dollar for dollar tax if they resign Nurkic. Their offseason options are very limited unless they plan on blowing things up, like many suspected after they got eliminated from the postseason by New Orleans quite easily. We'll see.

Wow that is crazy.

 

[Mainstreet]

I can see that, the Lakers getting involved. I don't think Lillard goes anywhere though. McCollum is probably the most likely player they deal. He's a good player but not great and his skillset overlaps with Lillard's quite a bit. I think they have to retain Nurkic also, if they hope to be in the playoff hunt. Replacing a wing is easier than a good big man. Nurkic averages around 14.3 & 9, is still young, and has helped Portland since he around during the 2017 trade deadline. He's a quality big for the right price. Since he's restricted I can't see Portland passing. If they deal McCollum first then no one will offer him a max offer sheet or something they won't match. It'll be obvious that's why they moved CJ, to pay for Nurkic.

If the Trail Blazers want to keep their playoff hopes alive they need to keep Lillard, McCollum and Nurkic. Vonleh and Meyers Leonard proved to be disappointments. Zach Collins needs to develop for them.

I remember really liking Vonleh in the draft.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

I was not ready for this picture...

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