The 2017-2018 Around the NBA thread

[Mainstreet]

...and be six feet under, at this rate.

Hopefully, McD will get the coaching decision right at that time. 63rd time’s a charm, right?

Relax Cheese. Enjoy the beauty of the game for the next 50 years or so.

 

[BC867]

Hell, by the time the Suns are relevant again, Devin Booker will have retired.

Or, even worse, be an All Star with another team.

 

[Ronin]

Michael Lee‏Verified account@MrMichaelLee 24s25 seconds ago
Ray Allen, Mo Cheeks, Grant Hill, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Chris Webber & Rudy Tomjanovich are Hall of Fame finalists. Cool part? Kidd & Hill were drafted 2 & 3 in 1994, shared ROY honors, retired same year & now might go in together. Oh & Ray might be first ‘08 Celtic to get in

 

[JCSunsfan]

You all need to start a Pessimists Anonymous Chapter or something. Not saying you should step away from being a Suns fan or anything, but if it makes you that miserable, maybe you should cut back just a little. Go fishing or something.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You all need to start a Pessimists Anonymous Chapter or something. Not saying you should step away from being a Suns fan or anything, but if it makes you that miserable, maybe you should cut back just a little. Go fishing or something.

Here’s an ironic twist, those of us that saw the writing on the wall from the start of the season and called for a tank haven’t been miserable. We’ve been ardently watching the progress toward the prize.

 

[Chaplin]

Here’s an ironic twist, those of us that saw the writing on the wall from the start of the season and called for a tank haven’t been miserable. We’ve been ardently watching the progress toward the prize.

Except we aren't tanking. If anything, it gives those of us that adamantly said we don't NEED to tank full vindication. So you can think we're tanking all you want, but that's not what has happened. We simply aren't good and can lose just fine with tanking. Because nothing Triano has done has supported the tanking process.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Except we aren't tanking. If anything, it gives those of us that adamantly said we don't NEED to tank full vindication. So you can think we're tanking all you want, but that's not what has happened. We simply aren't good and can lose just fine with tanking. Because nothing Triano has done has supported the tanking process.

You’re right, we aren’t. And I have never said we are. In fact throughout the season I’ve repeatedly argued against everyone who keeps claiming that we are tanking for multiple years. We haven’t been. We have only yanked for a part of s single (last) season.

My point wasn’t “I told you so.” My point was that I haven’t been miserable because not only were my expectations correct in being low (so they haven’t been disappointed) but the losing actually supported my desire (to lose as many games as possible this year to give us a greater shot at a long term differencemaker). The post I quoted talked about people being miserable as fans. I was merely pointing out the irony that the tankers were likely the least miserable through this because we started with the lowest expectations and that the dismal season has gotten us closer (thus far) to where we’ve wanted to be from the opening tip of the season. Make sense?

 

[Chaplin]

You’re right, we aren’t. And I have never said we are. In fact throughout the season I’ve repeatedly argued against everyone who keeps claiming that we are tanking for multiple years. We haven’t been. We have only yanked for a part of s single (last) season.

My point wasn’t “I told you so.” My point was that I haven’t been miserable because not only were my expectations correct in being low (so they haven’t been disappointed) but the losing actually supported my desire (to lose as many games as possible this year to give us a greater shot at a long term differencemaker). The post I quoted talked about people being miserable as fans. I was merely pointing out the irony that the tankers were likely the least miserable through this because we started with the lowest expectations and that the dismal season has gotten us closer (thus far) to where we’ve wanted to be from the opening tip of the season. Make sense?

Yes, makes sense.

I'm actually feeling a bit better myself because of Josh and Dragan's progression and the fact that even with those two playing better, we have vaulted into the worst record in the league. I hate being the laughingstock, but if it gets us Ayton, I'm all for it.

But Ayton is the end of it. We better go all in and show some improvement. Of course, if we don't, what power do any of us have?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yes, makes sense.

I'm actually feeling a bit better myself because of Josh and Dragan's progression and the fact that even with those two playing better, we have vaulted into the worst record in the league. I hate being the laughingstock, but if it gets us Ayton, I'm all for it.

But Ayton is the end of it. We better go all in and show some improvement. Of course, if we don't, what power do any of us have?

If we add ayton to the current mix and don’t improve measurably next year I’m outta ideas.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

You’re right, we aren’t. And I have never said we are. In fact throughout the season I’ve repeatedly argued against everyone who keeps claiming that we are tanking for multiple years. We haven’t been. We have only yanked for a part of s single (last) season.

My point wasn’t “I told you so.” My point was that I haven’t been miserable because not only were my expectations correct in being low (so they haven’t been disappointed) but the losing actually supported my desire (to lose as many games as possible this year to give us a greater shot at a long term differencemaker). The post I quoted talked about people being miserable as fans. I was merely pointing out the irony that the tankers were likely the least miserable through this because we started with the lowest expectations and that the dismal season has gotten us closer (thus far) to where we’ve wanted to be from the opening tip of the season. Make sense?

I think there is different levels of tanking. There is actively going out of your way to lose games (phantom injuries, trading away veterans that are helping the team win) and passive tanking (just not adding anything that adds wins to an already bad team). I think the Suns have been passively tanking this year. They haven't gone out of their way to make sure they are bad, but they have certainly not gone out of their way to make the team better either. Had they gone out and added some solid vets through trades and free agency in the off season they would almost certainly have more wins right now. Staying with all these young players without adding any further veteran depth is a sign that they were clearly okay with another year of losing a lot of games.

 

[SirStefan32]

Yes, makes sense.

I'm actually feeling a bit better myself because of Josh and Dragan's progression and the fact that even with those two playing better, we have vaulted into the worst record in the league. I hate being the laughingstock, but if it gets us Ayton, I'm all for it.

But Ayton is the end of it. We better go all in and show some improvement. Of course, if we don't, what power do any of us have?

That's how I am looking at this season too.

 

[Ronin]

Yahoo Sports NBA‏Verified account@YahooSportsNBA 35s36 seconds ago
Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek reportedly shoved Joakim Noah during an argument over playing time. https://yhoo.it/2GnJrHY

 

[Hoop Head]

Yahoo Sports NBA‏Verified account@YahooSportsNBA 35s36 seconds ago
Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek reportedly shoved Joakim Noah during an argument over playing time. https://yhoo.it/2GnJrHY

Hornacek got into with the Morrii also. I know it's easy to blame the players but since he's now with his 2nd team and having more confrontations with players, could it be his fault? I don't think he's looking to fight with players but theres got to be a reason he's having issues like that again. He doesn't seem able to control his team and isn't very respected by his players.

 

[Chaplin]

Hornacek got into the Morrii also. I know it's easy to blame the players but since he's now with his 2nd team and having more confrontations with players, could it be his fault? I don't think he's looking to fight with players but theres got to be a reason he's having issues like that again. He doesn't seem able to control his team and isn't very respected by his players.

That's going a little too far. Look at who the players are. Self-entitled cry-babies that don't expect anyone to stand up to them. Someone does, and of course, the blame falls on him. Come on, it's not like Hornacek is some super-imposing superman. Noah and the Morrii twins cried like little babies when someone calls them out on their crap.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That's going a little too far. Look at who the players are. Self-entitled cry-babies that don't expect anyone to stand up to them. Someone does, and of course, the blame falls on him. Come on, it's not like Hornacek is some super-imposing superman. Noah and the Morrii twins cried like little babies when someone calls them out on their crap.

While that’s certainly true lets also look at those players before and after horny. I may be wrong, but I don’t ever recall Noah having issues with a coach. And though I loathe the morii neither seemed to have issue with coaches before joining the suns or after. So as much as I hate entitled athletes, the only constant in all that is . . . Horny.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

the only constant in all that is . . . Horny.

This explains a lot of the world's problems as well!

 

[BC867]

That's going a little too far. Look at who the players are. Self-entitled cry-babies that don't expect anyone to stand up to them. Someone does, and of course, the blame falls on him. Come on, it's not like Hornacek is some super-imposing superman. Noah and the Morrii twins cried like little babies when someone calls them out on their crap.

'Sorry, but that is not an alibi for Jeff. It is an explanation of failure. The NBA has many spoiled millionaires. If a Head Coach is too mild mannered to deal with them, it makes him a career Assistant.

Having watched Hornacek his whole NBA career, I really had doubts when the Suns made him the guy at the top on the court. I made reference to Cotton saying he reminded him of his paper boy, when he was a player. I'm not saying that Jeff is immature emotionally, just in lack of management strength.

Hornacek got into the Morrii also. I know it's easy to blame the players but since he's now with his 2nd team and having more confrontations with players, could it be his fault? I don't think he's looking to fight with players but theres got to be a reason he's having issues like that again. He doesn't seem able to control his team and isn't very respected by his players.

In a hierarchy, employees tend to rise to their level of incompetence. You promote them until they reach the position that is over their head.

Such has been the case with Jeff Hornacek. For his own good, and the good of the team he's with, he needs to go back to the Jazz as an Assistant. He does not have the persona to be the leader.

 

[Hoop Head]

'Sorry, but that is not an alibi for Jeff. It is an explanation of failure. The NBA has many spoiled millionaires. If a Head Coach is too mild mannered to deal with them, it makes him a career Assistant.

Having watched Hornacek his whole NBA career, I really had doubts when the Suns made him the guy at the top on the court. I made reference to Cotton saying he reminded him of his paper boy, when he was a player. I'm not saying that Jeff is immature emotionally, just in lack of management strength.


In a hierarchy, employees tend to rise to their level of incompetence. You promote them until they reach the position that is over their head.

Such has been the case with Jeff Hornacek. For his own good, and the good of the team he's with, he needs to go back to the Jazz as an Assistant. He does not have the persona to be the leader.

The Morris brothers have each had multiple coaches since Hornacek and there hasn't been any issues. Noah had a few coaches prior to Hornacek I don't recall hearing anything about him clashing with them like that either. Hornacek is the common thread and whether it's him drawing it out of players or not he's proven he can't manage NBA talent. If he insists on finding a head coaching position perhaps he'd do better at the college level where he doesn't have to manage egos of young millionaires but I'd be surprised if another NBA team offers him a head coaching position any time soon.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

The Morris brothers have each had multiple coaches since Hornacek and there hasn't been any issues. Noah had a few coaches prior to Hornacek I don't recall hearing anything about him clashing with them like that either. Hornacek is the common thread and whether it's him drawing it out of players or not he's proven he can't manage NBA talent. If he insists on finding a head coaching position perhaps he'd do better at the college level where he doesn't have to manage egos of young millionaires but I'd be surprised if another NBA team offers him a head coaching position any time soon.

A head coach needs to know how to juggle multiple different personalities and understand that you have to deal with each person differently. If you don't understand that then you will have instances where you clash with players on the team. Or you will run into situations where you lose the interest of players on the team. Gotta wonder exactly how Popovic does it, because players always seem to give their best when playing for him.

 

[SirStefan32]

I don't know whose fault it is, but Jeff has some cajones grandes to shove Noah.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

A head coach needs to know how to juggle multiple different personalities and understand that you have to deal with each person differently. If you don't understand that then you will have instances where you clash with players on the team. Or you will run into situations where you lose the interest of players on the team. Gotta wonder exactly how Popovic does it, because players always seem to give their best when playing for him.

Yup. Pop is a genius no matter how you slice it.

 

[elindholm]

This explains a lot of the world's problems as well!

Maybe no one else got this joke.

 

[Errntknght]

Maybe no one else got this joke.

'Twas a good one, though. Maybe if we numbered more women among our posters... by my count we have zero.

 

[hcsilla]

Maybe no one else got this joke.

I did like it.

 

[JCSunsfan]

'Twas a good one, though. Maybe if we numbered more women among our posters... by my count we have zero.

Someone needs to recruit.