The 2018-2019 Around the NBA thread

[sunsfan88]

I’m 100% certain that Carmelo Anthony would rather retire from basketball (with his $200M+ in career earnings) than play for the Suns on the vet min contract.

 

[Phrazbit]

I’m 100% certain that Carmelo Anthony would rather retire from basketball (with his $200M+ in career earnings) than play for the Suns on the vet min contract.

Carmelo has no shame. He's going to bounce around the league for probably 4 more years, making teams worse at every stop and complaining that he isn't getting his due. The guy is going to become a tank commander. I hope we're not on the list but I know we're not below him.

 

[Hoop Head]

I can see Melo wrapping up his career just like AI did. Going team to team and complaining about his role. He'll hurt any legacy he's built in the process also. He was never on Lebron's level but he was a very good player for a while in Denver. Once he went to New York though it seemed like he gave up trying to win and just tried to put up numbers.

 

[sunsfan88]

If Melo were to get traded or bought out, I’d guess his next destination to be the Lakers.

 

[sdscard4]

I wasn't impressed with James Jones as a player or in this new role. Since he said he wasn't worried about wins in losses he's been dead to me ...screw James Jones. And no to Melo he's a brick machine.

 

[Russ Smith]

I took a vacation in 83 or 84 with my wife and another couple, we went to a bunch of Angels games and then the Angels left town so we made the drive to see a Dodgers game too. I wasn't a fan of either team but I bought a Cubs hat at the stadium just for fun. Understandably I took an awful lot of abuse early in the game for that decision. But after Sax tried to throw the ball about 15 feet to first base and it sailed more than 30 feet over the first baseman, diehard Dodgers fans took turns wearing my Cubs cap for the rest of the afternoon as it was passed around our section. Most fun I've ever had at a ballpark. Steve eventually got it together but I don't know if we'll see a Sax like turnaround for Fultz?

It is bizarre. He had 14 last night, 7-9 floor 0-1 FT 0-0 on 3's. If you can get 14 2 boards 1 assist from him on a good night why not play McConnell who had 16 7 assists and is a better defender. Fultz gets steals and blocks but he's not a very good defender right now. I just don't see him being able to survive as a starter in this league if he can't make 3 pointers especially on a team with Simmons who's such a poor outside shooter, it just doesn't work to play 2 guys who are that weak at shooting together with Embiid. I get the Butler trade on the surface but they gave up 2 of their better outside shooters in Covington and Saric to get him, will be interesting to see how it works. If they are able to sign Butler to a deal I wouldn't be overly surprised to see them try and trade Fultz this offseason if his shooting doesn't return.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It is bizarre. He had 14 last night, 7-9 floor 0-1 FT 0-0 on 3's. If you can get 14 2 boards 1 assist from him on a good night why not play McConnell who had 16 7 assists and is a better defender. Fultz gets steals and blocks but he's not a very good defender right now. I just don't see him being able to survive as a starter in this league if he can't make 3 pointers especially on a team with Simmons who's such a poor outside shooter, it just doesn't work to play 2 guys who are that weak at shooting together with Embiid. I get the Butler trade on the surface but they gave up 2 of their better outside shooters in Covington and Saric to get him, will be interesting to see how it works. If they are able to sign Butler to a deal I wouldn't be overly surprised to see them try and trade Fultz this offseason if his shooting doesn't return.

If it wasn't for the optics I think they'd be looking to move him already. There doesn't seem to be anything they can do to rebuild his confidence. Maybe a change of scenery will help?

 

[GatorAZ]

Lebron would fit right in with the Suns...

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[Sunburn]

Lebron would fit right in with the Suns...

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Bahaha that's one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

 

[Mainstreet]

Lebron would fit right in with the Suns...

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That's what the Suns are missing... a traffic cop.

 

[Finito]

Lol Carmelo sucks

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Lebron would fit right in with the Suns...

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What has happened to basketball?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Anthony is my least favorite player. I would ignore the Sun's if they brought him in. He is the biggest Dbag in the league.

 

[Yuma]

My son made the point that Carmelo makes good teams bad. We are a bad team, so maybe he could be so bad he makes us good?

 

[Cheesebeef]

good to see Chandler paying immediate dividends making huge plays down the stretch in multiple Lakers games since Jones did his buddy Bron a favor. I'm sure LeBron will repay at some point...

 

[Phrazbit]

My son made the point that Carmelo makes good teams bad. We are a bad team, so maybe he could be so bad he makes us good?

If only. Sadly, he's one of a myriad of stars that might dominate one on one basketball but is and, probably, has always been detrimental to 5 on 5 NBA ball. People try to point to something that happened in New York as his downfall, but the Nuggets immediately got better when they dumped him and the Knicks immediately got worse. The only offense he has ever cared about are his own point totals, which are earned via the least efficient scoring in modern basketball (mid range isolation), and on defense his peak was "bad" and he's only gotten worse as time has gone on.

Carmelo Anthony is, in my mind, the most overrated player in NBA history. He's going to the hall of fame not long after he is eligible, and I don't think he spent more than two or three years as a positive contributor in his entire career.

 

[Hoop Head]

Carmelo Anthony is, in my mind, the most overrated player in NBA history. He's going to the hall of fame not long after he is eligible, and I don't think he spent more than two or three years as a positive contributor in his entire career.

I don't think he's the most overrated player in NBA history but in this era, definitely. One thing I've thought was strange is how good he is for USA Basketball but then reverts to all of his bad habits once he's back playing with whatever team in the NBA. It seems he took the bronze medal finish back in 04 personally, when he and Lebron didn't see much playing time under Larry Brown. Since then he's brought his A game to the world stage but that's not the Melo that Denver, New York, OKC, or Houston has seen. When he plays there he's not selfish and plays hard on both ends of the court. He also plays more like a PF, which helps with his production. In the NBA though he seems to have an issue playing PF and even had that issue while in the East. This isn't Duncan, Dirk, Garnett's NBA anymore and if he applied himself as a PF he could be solid even though he's taken a hit with age but he refuses to change his game.

 

[Sunburn]

I don't think he's the most overrated player in NBA history but in this era, definitely. One thing I've thought was strange is how good he is for USA Basketball but then reverts to all of his bad habits once he's back playing with whatever team in the NBA. It seems he took the bronze medal finish back in 04 personally, when he and Lebron didn't see much playing time under Larry Brown. Since then he's brought his A game to the world stage but that's not the Melo that Denver, New York, OKC, or Houston has seen. When he plays there he's not selfish and plays hard on both ends of the court. He also plays more like a PF, which helps with his production. In the NBA though he seems to have an issue playing PF and even had that issue while in the East. This isn't Duncan, Dirk, Garnett's NBA anymore and if he applied himself as a PF he could be solid even though he's taken a hit with age but he refuses to change his game.

Who do you think is more overrated?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Who do you think is more overrated?

I can't think of anyone that even comes close to being as overrated as Carmelo. There was a time when Vince Carter's legend was far greater than Vince Carter the player but even he can't compare to the me-first Melo that has destroyed team after team (Denver, New York, OKC and now Houston).

 

[Hoop Head]

Who do you think is more overrated?

I think Dominique Wilkins falls in that category. He made a good amount of All-Star teams but never won anything but dunk contests. He scored well, like Melo, but it never helped his team much, if at all.

Most overrated in NBA history would take some time to figure out. Melo probably is for the modern generation, 2000-Current but I don't think All-Time is quite right.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think Dominique Wilkins falls in that category. He made a good amount of All-Star teams but never won anything but dunk contests. His scored well, like Melo, but it never helped his team much, if at all.

Most overrated in NBA history would take some time to figure out. Melo probably is for the modern generation, 2000-Current but I don't think All-Time is quite right.

I'd probably put Wilkins on the overrated list too but I wouldn't have him anywhere near Carmelo. It became almost automatic to point to him and pass blame for the lack of team success but he had the misfortune to go through his prime when the East was absolutely loaded with near all star teams headed by Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Isiah Thomas and even Barkley (plus Dr J for a few years).

 

[Cheesebeef]

I can't think of anyone that even comes close to being as overrated as Carmelo. There was a time when Vince Carter's legend was far greater than Vince Carter the player but even he can't compare to the me-first Melo that has destroyed team after team (Denver, New York, OKC and now Houston).

I think you guys are forgetting that the Nuggets were a non-entity in the league for almost a decade before Melo got there. In his first year, he turned around a team that won something like 21 games and brought them to the playoffs and helped keep them there for five or six years, getting to a WCF and within 2 games of the Finals. And then took a Knicks team to 54 wins and the second round of the playoffs during his first full season there.

Injuries and attitude have definitely destroyed him since then, but when he was young and healthy, he was a difference maker his first decade in the league.

 

[sunsfan88]

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[Cheesebeef]

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so happy we paid him a contract well over what he was worth back in the day, watched him dog it for the last couple years and then do him and the Lakers a favor so he could actually go from walking corpse on the Suns to a defensive dynamo for the Lakers all of a sudden.

I get nightly "Thank You's" from my Laker fans since we waived him. It's great.

 

[Chaplin]

so happy we paid him a contract well over what he was worth back in the day, watched him dog it for the last couple years and then do him and the Lakers a favor so he could actually go from walking corpse on the Suns to a defensive dynamo for the Lakers all of a sudden.

I get nightly "Thank You's" from my Laker fans since we waived him. It's great.

Lucky for us, Chandler probably won't be this good for very long.