The Absurdity Continues...

[Shane]

It's pointless. Not overreacting...it is pointless.

If Skelton doesn't "hold him off" it would be more likely that Whis "saw something in him" and that he had "intangibles" and "won over the team." And I wouldn't buy it for a second. No faith in the Coach when it comes to this position...he's given us no reason to trust him there, not a bit.

Ok Mitch I already told you the point.

 

[juza76]

BTW: isnt that a Whis rule -- there is always competition?

it may not be a fair competition -- and I suspect Skelton would really have to drop the ball to lose it

yeah competition...and then you are a veteran and you play like **** and you still playing..i still dont catch it...what is the meaning of competition for our coach

 

[Mitch]

Sure. But I hate the lies of a battle between a guy who doesn't know the playbook, has never had any rythm with the WRs and is NOT in a position where he has even earned a shot.

I'm all for a battle. I'm not for bullsh*. This is the latter. Whis is pumping around here, and it is stupid. Setting up stupid battles for battles sake doesn't build credibility, something that Whis had which is eroding quickly. This doesn't change that pattern, only reinforces it.

If he had brought in someone who had started some games, or someone like Batch who was familiar with the system I'd be ok with a "battle." This is just silly, and we are WAAAAAAY past the point of silly motivational tactics on this team.

You nailed the whole point, Donald...as you did in your first post.

There still has not been an announcement of whom the starting QB will be this week...and we have to hear that the guy you traded up to get in the draft suddenly---with no other healthy QBs left---is in a "battle" with a player who has no knowledge of the playbook---a player who could not even start in the NFL---for this week's start?

What does this say about the coaches' ability to prepare the players on their roster?

It says nothing.

And as you so insightfully pointed out...there's the right way to approach this, especially when you are 3-9...you try to build the young QB's confidence.

What message does it send to him that he needs to battle with a player who knows less about the playboook than TJ or Bg7brd?

 

[earthsci]

What message does it send to him that he needs to battle with a player who knows less about the playboook than TJ or Bg7brd?

That if he loses the battle he probably needs to work harder...

...or that he thinks that swd1974 is a genius and he is trying to lose all of the games.

 

[Brian]

The only "battle" should be which one hands the ball off better, because that's about the only thing they should be doing against that putrid Denver run defense.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Hmmm...

This would be like me as a manager, telling my senior employee that they are going to be competing for the lead position with the new hire they will be training next week.

It is stupid and it is team defeating.

 

[earthsci]

Hmmm...

This would be like me as a manager, telling my senior employee that they are going to be competing for the lead position with the new hire they will be training next week.

It is stupid and it is team defeating.

Skelton doesn't sound defeated. He sounds excited.

 

[82CardsGrad]

To all of this, I say: WWBD?

What Would Belichek Do?

 

[Shane]

Hmmm...

This would be like me as a manager, telling my senior employee that they are going to be competing for the lead position with the new hire they will be training next week.

It is stupid and it is team defeating.

You just can't compare sports to any other work place. Cant do it.

 

[Shane]

Skelton doesn't sound defeated. He sounds excited.

Yup.

 

[earthsci]

Seriously guys, think about this...and Skelton knows this too...if this guy beats out Skelton, then Skelton has BIG TIME problems. If Skelton goes in and does the job he will be comfortable, just like one of the coaches told him. If he sucks hind tit he has competition.

 

[D-Dogg]

Yup.

Because he knows there really isn't a battle. That's the deal...nobody buys it...so wtf is whis being obtuse about it for? It is silly motivational claptrap and the freaking rookie knows it. The whis who cried wolf is leaning on a competition card only when it suits him yet old and slow dts play in front of younger more talented guys.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

When are people going to stop throwin a s--- fit over what is said by Wiz and staff? I mean really when?

Lets make this clear: What he SAYS and what is actually GOING ON are two completely different things. How are people STILL getting stressed out about words out of his mouth?

You think Skeleton has his family come out and is as assured in that interview if Bartel was really going to start? I mean really.

Wiz doesn't want to play Skeleton this year. Now he has no choice. Not to mention this is EXACTLY aligned with the competition principle that has been stressed from day one. No one gets anything handed to him.

Dislike it or what but its consistent with whats been said since Skeleton was drafted and since Wiz came into the organization.

And smart organizations don't care what Joe Fan thinks of the process. Its the actions that matter anyway.

If Bartel starts then allow your head to explode Mitch. Until then its just talk.

And as usual....much ado about nothing.

 

[D-Dogg]

Seriously guys, think about this...and Skelton knows this too...if this guy beats out Skelton, then Skelton has BIG TIME problems. If Skelton goes in and does the job he will be comfortable, just like one of the coaches told him. If he sucks hind tit he has competition.

All well & good...but why play reindeer games with a rookie and a guy off the street mid week?

I'm sorry but whis cashed in his trust me card already. If skelton has a big time problem we will see it on sunday.

Whis simply is overthinking the and situation he created. It sucks. The rookie starts. Trust your damn player and make the decision. He is coming off very wishy washy...it us sad.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

This is an overreaction.

I blame Mitch's passion and belief in Skelton.... which is a good thing

Whiz has been the coach for a while now, and you have to learn his language.

This is the same man that said D’Anthony Batiste (signed that week) and Jeremy Bridges would "battle it out" for the LT position.

I am not worried about Bartel or whatever his name is, I am more scared Whiz will start Anderson instead of Skelton.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

All well & good...but why play reindeer games with a rookie and a guy off the street mid week?

I'm sorry but whis cashed in his trust me card already. If skelton has a big time problem we will see it on sunday.

Whis simply is overthinking the and situation he created. It sucks. The rookie starts. Trust your damn player and make the decision. He is coming off very wishy washy...it us sad.

Hey D. You think what Wiz is telling the media (and telling Skelton to repeat) and what he is telling Skeleton himself might be two different things?

I am quite positive he was told he is starting before everybody else.

 

[Evil Ash]

Skelton doesn't sound defeated. He sounds excited.

Folks need to remember Skelton graduated from Fordham. He's not an idiot. He knows what's going on. He's aleady binging his parents and his sister to the game.

I'm surprised that noone brought up this little tidbit

Q: Well, it was written by a guy with an engineering degree from Georgia Tech. So is Ken Whisenhunt's playbook self-explanatory or is it kind of tedious?

A: Some of it is self-explanatory and some of it gets tedious, like when you start going over checks according to what the defense is doing and you get different looks. One little thing can change a lot of things and that's when it gets tedious, but a lot of it is self-explanatory.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...nals-john-skelton.html#comments#ixzz17TbbbW6c

Anyone else get the feeling that this may be why Whiz doesn't think he's ready when he might actually might be?

 

[TJ]

What message does it send to him that he needs to battle with a player who knows less about the playboook than TJ or Bg7brd?

Who needs knowledge of the play book when you have moxie and intangibles

 

[TJ]

Hmmm...

This would be like me as a manager, telling my senior employee that they are going to be competing for the lead position with the new hire they will be training next week.

It is stupid and it is team defeating.

The difference is your senior employees are just that. Skelton is a rookie and has earned nothing just yet. A better comparison would be you hire a new guy to push your employees who have been there for 6 months to work harder

 

[oaken1]

there is no competition,...the coaches just let skelton know that if this guy comes in and outplays you, he is getting the job.
Honestly, if this guy CAN come in and outplay skelton in this offense, then we just need to cut skelton right then.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Honestly, if this guy CAN come in and outplay skelton in this offense, then we just need to cut skelton right then.

Agreed. That would be like a Top 10 pick learning for 4 years and getting beat out by a brand new player who has redefined the term 'asshat' over the course of 13 games.

 

[Bobcat]

In an interview with Bob Mac from AZ Republic, John Skelton revealed that he's been told that he will "battle it out" with newly signed UFL backup QB Richard Bartel for the starting job this week.

This is so outrageous...and it speaks volumes to the utter incomeptency of ther coaching staff and the organization.

To state the obvious...Skelton has been in the organization since April...has played in every practice...and actually completed two of ther better looking passes of the year in his debut...and he's been told...he's in a battle with a guy who hasn't taken a single snap in practice?

A guy who has NO knowledge of the offense?

Whizenhunt is a joke.

He MUST want to get fired.

He's been coaching like it from the moment Kurt Warner retired...and this development is further proof that his handling of QBs (other than Warner whom he basically gave the car keys to) is about as egregious as is humanly imaginable.

Been conceding that he deserves another year...

But...sh%^ like this...in the aftermath of all the sh%^ he's heaped on the organization and us fans this year...this takes the cake.

Thank you Mitch you finally got it if not sooner...!!! You are my main man on this Forum Right next to the "T-Man" who was the first post after your post.

Whiz has no Clue how to be a Head Coach.

BOBCAT

 

[Duckjake]

Man ASFN rocks.

We were told on this board that Bartel would eventually be on the team two days ago.

Way to go Fitz Rules.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I'm with Donald and Mitch on this. Competition is great and players should earn their starting spots but this is a stupid way to handle a rookie QB being thrust in to a starting spot. It's not like Skelton is a bonus baby being handed a starting job before the ink is dry on his contract. Stop with the stupid mind games already.

I completely agree...

Whis only likes VET QBs; he is kind of the Don Nelson of Football; all offense (though this year not even that), no defense, stubborn, and a heavy propensity to treat rookies and young players at certain positions like trash. (Nelson power forwards and Whis QBs).

 

[oaken1]

I completely agree...

Whis only likes VET QBs; he is kind of the Don Nelson of Football; all offense (though this year not even that), no defense, stubborn, and a heavy propensity to treat rookies and young players at certain positions like trash. (Nelson power forwards and Whis QBs).

described like that,....wis would be the perfect coach for Al Davis.