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The Ayton Plan
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There’s too much smoke here not for me to believe there’s fire. Especially with whatever happened to end the season, Monty’s comments at the post game presser and then admitting days later he still hadn’t talked to Ayton.
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Peaked at what? Ten years ago he started working for the Grizzlies and stayed there for seven years.
Where there is smoke. Problem is he is not the only one saying it. Likely most of these guys are talking to teams likely hearing Ayton will be made available by the Suns. Either that or it's smoke screen to get Ayton's camp to seek an offer sheet and the Suns will swoop in and match. Just knowing the salary cap/luxury tax implications I am leaning he is gone.
I just hope the Suns don't screw this up and get a sign and trade going so we get value in return. if not? The fans are going to crucify both Sarver and Jones.
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The timeline Suns podcast was great regarding Ayton. Very balanced with a ton of good info. I'd recommend it to everybody.
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JJ can certainly match an offer sheet that Ayton signs. It doesn't matter if Ayton wants out. Its been done before.
This idea Ayton has been asking to get out for months is also ridiculous. There hasn't been any firm information available that Ayton does want out, let alone that being established months ago. The Suns season didn't even end a month ago.
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That was about my memory. He's a math nerd who could spin a yarn about advanced stats, and somehow worked his way into a front-office position, through which it was discovered that he doesn't understand anything about basketball. A classic example of the Peter Principle.
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No that would be a misallocation of funds.
Give him a small amount over what other teams can offer and no more.
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It’s not good business to match an offer sheet for a RFA that the entire league knows wants out from his current team. JJ’s best bet is to S&T and hope for the best.
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I don't think they're surprised; they just aren't sure they want to be the ones doing the paying. It's like if you go to a restaurant and there's a $300 bottle on the wine list. Obviously someone's willing to pay that amount, else the restaurant would change their pricing. But most of us think, "No way is that bottle of wine going to make a critical difference in my enjoyment of this meal."
And yet if you look at the full list of max-level contracts in the league, probably at least half of them have negative value.
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That is ridiculous.
I get the idea you may want to start transitioning to a young guy, but Cam Payne isn't him.
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I kind of thought it was just a restatement of the obvious.
After that game 7 debacle it was kind of clear to me he was likely to be traded.
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Of course then he wouldn't sign a 5 year contract.
When the new NBA television contract comes around it may look like a bargain.
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This franchise is keenly aware of what bad business is. Once before they traded a young borderline star for Boris Diaw and what turned out to be the 15th and 21st pick in later drafts. That guy said don't match, and said it loudly. We caved and Joe Johnson went on to play in 7 All Star Games. Boris just came and went.
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I haven't followed this so maybe it's legitimate but I know that in the past when one of them has said something like this, more follow. Plus, it still could be an agent driven scare tactic to try and get us to offer a full max, rather than waiting to match the lesser amount that other teams can offer.
I really won't be surprised whether we sign him to the deal he wants, sign and trade him or wait and match.
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That's why I'm not convinced he'll want a 5 year deal. He can probably do better signing a 3 or 4 year deal and opting out when the deal kicks in.
Huh? What are you smoking? We won't win 40 games with Cam Payn as our point.
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Well, on the plus side, you can't embarrass yourself in the postseason if you don't make it to the playoffs. So we'd have that going for us, which is nice.
Oh God. I didn’t say get rid of Paul but you have to find a way to drastically reduce his minutes
If Paul not starting means this is a lottery team then send Devin Booker packing right now cause it’s his time to carry this team and be the undisputed leader
Dude. You said START Cam Payne. START. He wasn't even an effective backup from mid-march on and you want to START HIM? I repeat what drugs are you on? Even an old Chris Paul is twice the point guard Cam Payne is.
At one point he had the worst plus/minus of the guards. Payne is not an answer period. We need a legit backup PG. I don't disagree that Paul can't be the guy we lean on to save us in the 4th quarter all the time. It's just a dumb way to play. Give me Holiday everyday and twice on Sunday before seeing Payne play the primary backup for this team any longer. Not that I think Holiday is the answer either but no more Cam Paynful.
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I guess it depends on how confident Deandre is in himself.
An improving player would want the player options and a four year deal.
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I meant that Ayton will be involved in a S&T.
What’s your solution? I see both Payne and Paul being on the roster next year. Who’s this great back up point guard your going to get? What are you giving up for him and how much do you realistically give up for a back up PG? We don’t have money go sign anyone.
On top of that if you are going after a back up PG your saying Paul is still your starter. If Paul is your starter do you realistically see him holding up and making it through a long post season run?
Yeah Payne was horrible so was this entire team once they locked up the 1 seed, but Payne’s best stretch came when he did start and when he has started the last two season he’s actually played really well.
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How I would rank the centerpieces in some of the reported interested teams:
Toronto: OG - 24 years old on a great contract
Indy: Turner + Brogdon - not much of a downgrade if they stay healthy
Orlando: Isaac/WCJ + Anthony - some young talent under control
OKC: Dort + JRE (not sure if any trade with OKC works financially)
Detroit: Grant - good player but a FA after next year
Spurs - only if Keldon Johnson is included would I want Poeltl
Hornets: They’ve been brought up but nothing makes sense as trade partners
Toronto: OG - 24 years old on a great contract
Indy: Turner + Brogdon - not much of a downgrade if they stay healthy
Orlando: Isaac/WCJ + Anthony - some young talent under control
OKC: Dort + JRE (not sure if any trade with OKC works financially)
Detroit: Grant - good player but a FA after next year
Spurs - only if Keldon Johnson is included would I want Poeltl
Hornets: They’ve been brought up but nothing makes sense as trade partners
