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I'm one hundred percent sure you are having trouble telling the difference from what you WANT to happen and what WILL happen. ;)

I actually love the idea of all three of those guys at #5 being available because those are my top 3 choices, and that NEVER happens. Love Quinn, love Peterson, and am starting to buy into Gabbert.

Guess we'll see what happens, although I am confused why so many posters are so absolutely positive that with arguably the best QB available at #5, and a team needing a QB more then any other Cardinal team ever has - why the team will defintely go defense.

More fodder that Cinnci won't be drafting Gabbert

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...pass-on-blaine-gabbert-target-qb-in-2nd-round

It is very arguable. This from Walters Football:

Arizona Cardinals: Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
Blaine Gabbert is a popular pick here, but I really would be shocked if Arizona spent this selection on a quarterback for the following reasons:

1. It's much more likely that Ken Whisenhunt will sign a veteran like Donovan McNabb or Marc Bulger (or trade for Kevin Kolb, per Larry Fitzgerald's request), and have that signal-caller compete with John Skelton next year. Whisenhunt would be foolish to offend Fitzgerald.

Fitzgerald recently said he "doubts" that Arizona will take a quarterback in this spot. That means one of two things. Either Fitzgerald has inside info, or he's warning the front office that he's going to leave if they bring in another unproven signal-caller.

2. New regimes mean new quarterbacks; not old ones that could be on the hot seat in the wake of another poor season. Following a 5-11 campaign, there's too much pressure on Whisenhunt to win now.

3. None of the Cardinal beat writers think the team is going to draft Gabbert. They realize that the pick doesn't make any sense, given Arizona's situation.

As for Patrick Peterson, he's the best player available who fills a need for the Cardinals. Some mocks have Peterson slipping down all the way to No. 7. I personally think that's crazy. Peterson is the best player in this class. He's the top cornerback prospect since Champ Bailey (1999). He's good enough to go first overall. I don't know how someone can figure that six teams will pass on him.

Here's something else to consider: If the Cardinals acquire Kevin Kolb, Arizona and Philadelphia may swap first-selections as part of the deal. If that happens, the Eagles will undoubtedly take Peterson.

Other 2011 NFL Draft Possibilities:

1. Von Miller or Robert Quinn, DE/OLB - Von Miller will be the pick if he's available. If not, Robert Quinn is the other pass-rushing option.

2. Blaine Gabbert, QB - Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe all the Cardinal beat writers are wrong. Maybe Larry Fitzgerald is wrong. But I doubt it.
 

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1. How many times do the Cards have to show "no interest" in McNabb before writer's drop this non-starter.

2. There may be interest in Bulger, as a stop gap, but is it mutual? There could be other suitors.

3. If a trade for Kolb is in the cards, it will have to be for 2012 picks, not flips in 2011, etc... as suggested in the piece.

4. Fitz, "beat" writers, and we haven't seen the Cards draft board. I would imagine that Gabbert, Miller and Peterson are on their top 5 list. Question to answered on draft night is who is still there when they pick?

5. It's true that Graves/Whiz tenure is not new... however, it has been RE-NEWED as of a year ago. As such, if a QBOF is on the board they can pull the plug without fear.

6. I would have no problem with selecting Peterson if he's their top rated prospect on the board at #5, and also have no problem with a trade down (Dallas, for example) who may covet Peterson. Someone like Quinn could still be there at #9, and an extra pick would be helpful.
 
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6. I would have no problem with selecting Peterson if he's their top rated prospect on the board at #5, and also have no problem with a trade down (Dallas, for example) who may covet Peterson. Someone like Quinn could still be there at #9, and an extra pick would be helpful.

A trade with Dallas or Washington is possible. Getting another 2nd round pick would really help. Quinn could be there at #9 or #10 so could CB Prince Amukamara. Wouldn't it really be something if QB Gabbert is there at #5 and the Card's trade the pick.
 

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All sounds logical to me.

Just don't be surprised when the pick is Gabbert. JMHO.

I'd agree with both. Hope the pick is still Peterson in 1, Mallet/Ponder in 2. Best potential CB since Champ? Gotta pick him if available.

That being said, I totally expect Levi part deux (draft a position of need instead of a supremely talented player)
 
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Great memory turns Gabbert into top prospect

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...arpenter_memory_improves_gabbert_stock_041911
(Check the link for video of Warner's comments on NFLN)
Blaine Gabbert rattled through math problems so easily as a child, remembering everything from multiplication tables to batting averages, that his mother, Bev, began to imagine something magnificent going on in her oldest son’s head.

“He’s almost got a photographic memory,” she says over the phone from the family house just outside St. Louis.

This is the attribute that might just take Gabbert far in his pursuit to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. He already has those other things the NFL desires: standing 6-foot-5 with the ability to fling the ball three-quarters of the field in the air. But it is his mind that might push him farther, for in the complex world of football offenses little matters more than memory.
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“Once you say it to him it is set in stone,” says David Yost, University of Missouri offensive coordinator and quarterback coach. “His ability to process the information is amazing. You give it to him, he retains it.”

The NFL has all kinds of tricks designed to test a quarterback’s intelligence. Over the past few weeks, as Gabbert has talked to the teams that need a quarterback in this draft – Carolina Panthers, Buffalo Bills, Arizona Cardinals, Tennessee Titans and Washington Redskins – the challenges have come out. Teams have handed him pens and asked him to draw from memory his offense from college. Then they dictate the elements of their own offense, often one he has never seen before. After he has scribbled this on the same board, they erase it and tell him to write it all over again.

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Here is where the NFL men learn about the minds of their future passers. Can they learn fast? Can they adjust? Ultimately the result is often more important than if the quarterback can hit a receiver on the dead run with a 65-yard throw.

And the reports that have trickled back to Missouri where Gabbert played quarterback are that he has dazzled with his ability to decipher offenses. And it is probably the biggest reason he has risen as a junior who left college early to one of the top two quarterbacks taken in next week’s NFL draft.

“I guess I’m good at remembering and picking things up quickly,” Gabbert says over the phone with a bit of an embarrassed laugh. “I’ve always retained things quickly.”

Few characteristics are greater for NFL quarterbacks than their mind. Offenses have become so complex, with so many different variations and adjustments made each week that a quarterback who can understand what is going on becomes invaluable. The 700-page playbook Al Saunders introduced to the Washington Redskins when he was hired as their offensive coordinator in 2006 immediately became legend around the league, until it was revealed that 700 pages was actually normal for an NFL team and that Saunders’ book might really run closer to 1,000 pages with all the other options the plays demanded. Many others are similar in size.

At Missouri, Yost sometimes changed the Tigers’ offense depending on the team they were playing, a common adjustment professional teams make. He learned early that Gabbert, who reportedly scored 42 out of 50 on the Wonderlic test during the NFL scouting combine, could handle the change. Where most quarterbacks he worked with usually needed to see the play on a board or have it explained with video, Blaine almost always understood when the play was first described.

For instance, while preparing for the Insight.com Bowl against Iowa late last year, Yost mentioned a particular red zone defense Iowa likes to play to Gabbert and quickly offered a solution. Later that day, in practice, a red-zone situation arose and Gabbert immediately made the change even though it was something he had barely discussed with Yost hours before.

Subtle emergence
In an autumn where the quarterback news was dominated by Stanford’s senior-to-be Andrew Luck and Auburn’s Cam Newton, who might be the most scrutinized Heisman Trophy winner in years, Gabbert was an afterthought. His Missouri Tigers won 10 games yet he was never much in the conversation as a first-round draft pick for this spring. He could throw long but he played in Missouri’s spread offense in which the quarterback is almost always in the shotgun. It’s the kind of offense that’s generally perceived not to translate well to the NFL.

So in many ways Gabbert is kind of a new discovery. Obviously the pros knew about him. but they didn’t seem to understand exactly what they were getting. One big misconception is that he was not fast or athletic compared to Newton who can tear down the field. Lanky with blonde locks that spill out from beneath his helmet, Gabbert looks like he wouldn’t be very agile or fast. But Gabbert ran a 4.62 40 yard dash at the combine and is, if nothing else, elusive. At Missouri he rushed for 458 yards.

He also knows how to play under center having worked since midway through high school with a private quarterback coach Skip Stitzell, who often drove to the Gabbert’s St. Louis-area home. Stitzell only instructed Blaine on running a pro-style offense – even while Gabbert was in college – figuring it to be the best base from which to learn.

“I have a joke with Blaine that everyone says he’s going to have to learn to stand under center and do three-, five- and seven-step drops,” Stitzell says by phone from his Fayette home. “No he doesn’t. I think he’s actually better under center than in the gun. He’s got better rhythm and timing. He’s very good at the play-action stuff which you need to do in the NFL.”
“Would another year in college have made him a better quarterback?” Yost asks. “Sure. But talking to NFL people I don’t know if another year would have made him more marketable to the NFL.”

So he left.


“The timing was right,” Gabbert says. “I know I need to challenge myself at the next level. From a quarterback standpoint I knew I was the best quarterback coming out of college football.”
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Gabbert had a school bowl record of 434 passing yards in the loss to Iowa.

He does not say this in a cocky way. Rather his tone never changes. It is something he is sure of, something he believes. He had a decent junior year throwing for 3,186 yards and 16 touchdowns in 13 games and probably could have improved on all of those numbers had he come back next season. It was a surprise to some that he came out, but then, Gabbert can surprise.

Like when he says that if he hadn’t been such a top athlete he might have gone the way of his good friend growing up, Steve May, who went to West Point. When the rest of his teammates ask to play the traditional Halo in the Missouri locker room, Gabbert insists on the game Call to Duty, showing a unique understanding of World War II battles and generals’ tactics.
He says he loves to read about war history, often reading on planes when his colleagues are more likely to be sleeping or watching movies. His favorite book is Lone Survivor by Marcus Luttrell, the story of a Navy SEAL who was the only member of a four-man team to live through an attack in Afghanistan.

In a league where coaches often look to the memoirs of military leaders for inspiration, Gabbert’s interests will undoubtedly be an asset. As will his memory.

“He’s the smartest guy I’ve ever worked with,” Yost says.
 
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Don't be disappointed when we pass on Gabbert ;) JMHO.

At this point I would be.

Once I read the entire management team went to meet Gabbert, I started doing more research on him and my take is that he has a lot of Aaron Rodgers in him (Athletic, Big Arm, Quick Release, Good Accuracy) and now I want him to be the pick.

I have been watching how quick he gets the ball out, how he throws on the run, and how he has the arm to make EVERY throw. Then I read about his work ethic, mental make up, and desire to be great (the dreaded “moxie”) and really started to buy in. Not to mention the two people whose scouting opinion I trust more then anyone’s (Mayock and Lombardi) both have said he is a franchise guy and should be the top pick in terms of QB. Mayock especially doesn’t throw around faint praise so it made me take notice.

I think the only reason he isn’t the consensus first player taken across the board is because of his choice in college. He was the #1 Rated Pro Style Quarterback when he came out, and went to the home state football school. Problem is they run a spread offense. And (correct me if I am wrong Conrad) they went from an absolute dink and dunk spread with Daniels, where they got the ball to players like Jeremy Maclin and let them run, and fit the offense more to Blaine in the mid range 10-20 yard game. FYI that’s what the Cardinals offense and many NFL offenses thrive on. Problem with implementing that on the fly in college is A) the other offensive players were accustomed to the dink and sunk spread and B) they didn’t have one NFL guy catching balls for Gabbert.

Keep in mind he is leaving school as a true junior as well, so its fair to say THIS year at Missouri would have been his most prolific.

He goes to USC or Alabama, and Gabbert is the unequivocal #1 pick IMO.

Now I am hoping the Cardinals take advantage of that perception, and get a franchise type guy at #5

The more I see, the more I am convinced he fits what we do well and would be successful in this offense. From what I can tell, the Cardinals brass is leaning that way too.
 
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Physical attributes are pretty easy to spot but if Gabbert is truly this sharp, then he might actually be worth a top pick.
 

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Physical attributes are pretty easy to spot but if Gabbert is truly this sharp, then he might actually be worth a top pick.

Thanks for the link, great read.

You are still wrong about ML and Whiz's destroying him. :)
 

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A memory like that will certainly help him in the NFL. I'm still not on board with picking him, but he's definitely a better prospect than Newton.
 

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Thanks for the link, great read.

You are still wrong about ML and Whiz's destroying him. :)
I don't think he destroyed him but I think he set him and the Cardinals back. It really was the perfect scenario for Whis to come out smelling like a rose.

Leinart was in a position to either prove or hang himself in 2010. If he plays well and the team wins, Whis comes out on top. If he plays poorly, then Whis gave him his chance and it's an obvious move to cut him and his large salary. If he gets injured, then it's an easy cut once again. All scenarios that leave Whis in a good position.

But to cut him after the preseason? That's a lose/lose/lose situation. Nothing in return for him. The 2010 season flushed down the toilet. Still without a QB. Whis went from someone I really respected and conceded football moves to, to someone that I really don't trust at this point.

The worst part is, I don't even really know if it was personal when he decided to cut Leinart. I think that's certainly part of it but ultimately, I think Fitz made that call and if so, it REALLY makes me think less of Whis. Fitz is the star but if the coach is catering to him, then that's a real problem.
 

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FWIW, Somers said today in a draft preview that he doesn't expect the Cards to pick Gabbert. He's usually right.
 

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I can certainly understand the reasoning behind going with the FA QB route but whether they take a FA or draft a guy, there will be acclimation issues.

Most pundits agree that if you have a chance to take a top rated QB that you should take him. It will be tough for the Cardinals if whoever they choose as their FA is another bust. Drafting a guy gives you a little honeymoon time. If Whis brings in another Derek Anderson though...it could get ugly real fast.
 

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Problem is they run a spread offense. And (correct me if I am wrong Conrad) they went from an absolute dink and dunk spread with Daniels, where they got the ball to players like Jeremy Maclin and let them run, and fit the offense more to Blaine in the mid range 10-20 yard game.

Dont need Conrad to answer this, you are wrong.

In fact you have it the complete opposite. It was Daniels who played more in the 10 to 20 range, and Gabbert who played in the dink and dunk range. Daniels yards per attempt was a full 2 yards higher then Gabbert in their final years. You dont play in the 10 to 20 yard range and get yourself in the bottom 10 college QB's in the nation in a staggeringly low 6.7 yards per attempt, he was ranked in the 100's, he had a low 20's completion % on throws he attempted 15 yards or longer.

Him supposedly playing in the 10 to 20 range, his yards per attempt, and super low completion percentage over 15 yards just do not jive.
 

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It does make you wonder why he had a drop off between '09 & '10. In '09 for example, he had 7 games of 9.0+ ypa.

I didn't watch him play much and don't know Tigers football at all really. Did he lose playmakers or did they start throwing more and running less? From what I've gathered, it seems that they passed the ball instead of running it in '10. Substituted a lot of short passing as their running game.

Actually, looking at the rushing numbers, they went from 15TD in '09 to 28TD in '10 and were over a yard better per rushing attempt in about the same number of tries. So, giving Gabbert the benefit of doubt, it would have to be the receivers that had a decline from one year to the next if that's the explanation for the drop in ypa.

Losing Danario Alexandar and Jared Perry seems to be the big difference. Both those guys averaged over 15 yards per reception in '09 for Gabbert. T.J. Moe and Jerrell Jackson certainly weren't as an effective duo at WR averaging 11 and 13.
 
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Dont need Conrad to answer this, you are wrong.

In fact you have it the complete opposite. It was Daniels who played more in the 10 to 20 range, and Gabbert who played in the dink and dunk range. Daniels yards per attempt was a full 2 yards higher then Gabbert in their final years. You dont play in the 10 to 20 yard range and get yourself in the bottom 10 college QB's in the nation in a staggeringly low 6.7 yards per attempt, he was ranked in the 100's, he had a low 20's completion % on throws he attempted 15 yards or longer.

Him supposedly playing in the 10 to 20 range, his yards per attempt, and super low completion percentage over 15 yards just do not jive.

Mike Mayock disagrees with you Joe. And I got a feeling hes watched a TON of tape to back up this kind of commentary.

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/03/inside-the-49ers/mayock-on-blaine-gabbert-hes-a-top-one-pick/

“The thing I like about the kid is I charted every throw he made in at least six games and (Missouri did) have an intermediate throwing attack,” Mayock said Sunday at the NFL Combine. “So it’s not just under 10 yards like a lot of spreads. He throws the ball in that 11- to 20-yard zone, which, to me, defines an NFL quarterback. I don’t care about the 10-yard throws. I don’t care about the 50-yard throws. Arm strength, to me, is not a 50-yard throw. Arm, strength, to me, is the 18-yard comeback. The 20-yard-dig. In between a window. Anticipating all those linebackers and safeties.”
 

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Dont need Conrad to answer this, you are wrong.

In fact you have it the complete opposite. It was Daniels who played more in the 10 to 20 range, and Gabbert who played in the dink and dunk range. Daniels yards per attempt was a full 2 yards higher then Gabbert in their final years. You dont play in the 10 to 20 yard range and get yourself in the bottom 10 college QB's in the nation in a staggeringly low 6.7 yards per attempt, he was ranked in the 100's, he had a low 20's completion % on throws he attempted 15 yards or longer.

Him supposedly playing in the 10 to 20 range, his yards per attempt, and super low completion percentage over 15 yards just do not jive.

Joe, just admit you hate Gabbert.

Matt Ryan had 15 touchdowns and 10 interceptions his junior year. He followed that up with 31 touchdowns and 19 interceptions his senior year. Ryan had 654 pass attempts his senior year for a whopping 6.89 yards per attempt, almost identical yardage per attempt as Gabbert. I still have 3 draft guides from 2008 (Pro Football Weekly, Sporting News, USA Today) and the draft bio positives (intelligence, confidence, leadership, ability to digest information, ability to go through progressions) for Matt Ryan are almost identical to Gabbert. I'd give Ryan the edge on experience in a pro style offense, but give Gabbert the edge in athleticism. Gabbert was the #1 rated pro style quarterback in the nation coming out of high school, ahead of a guy by the name of Andrew Luck. He had his pick of any college in the country (including Luck's school Stanford) but chose to stay close to home and play at Missouri.

You can find stats either for or against any player who ever played the game of football if you look hard enough. The perfect non quarterback example is Clay Mathews Jr. The guy had less than 5 sacks his entire career at USC. Now he is an absolute stud. On the flip side take a guy like Tom Burke who the Cards drafted in 1999. He had 20 sacks his senior year at Wisconsin and absolutely sucked in the NFL.
 

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Joe, just admit you hate Gabbert.

Matt Ryan had 15 touchdowns and 10 interceptions his junior year. He followed that up with 31 touchdowns and 19 interceptions his senior year. Ryan had 654 pass attempts his senior year for a whopping 6.89 yards per attempt, almost identical yardage per attempt as Gabbert. I still have 3 draft guides from 2008 (Pro Football Weekly, Sporting News, USA Today) and the draft bio positives (intelligence, confidence, leadership, ability to digest information, ability to go through progressions) for Matt Ryan are almost identical to Gabbert. I'd give Ryan the edge on experience in a pro style offense, but give Gabbert the edge in athleticism. Gabbert was the #1 rated pro style quarterback in the nation coming out of high school, ahead of a guy by the name of Andrew Luck. He had his pick of any college in the country (including Luck's school Stanford) but chose to stay close to home and play at Missouri.

You can find stats either for or against any player who ever played the game of football if you look hard enough. The perfect non quarterback example is Clay Mathews Jr. The guy had less than 5 sacks his entire career at USC. Now he is an absolute stud. On the flip side take a guy like Tom Burke who the Cards drafted in 1999. He had 20 sacks his senior year at Wisconsin and absolutely sucked in the NFL.

Beautiful.

Agreed on all counts.
 

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Joe, just admit you hate Gabbert.

Matt Ryan had 15 touchdowns and 10 interceptions his junior year. He followed that up with 31 touchdowns and 19 interceptions his senior year. Ryan had 654 pass attempts his senior year for a whopping 6.89 yards per attempt, almost identical yardage per attempt as Gabbert. I still have 3 draft guides from 2008 (Pro Football Weekly, Sporting News, USA Today) and the draft bio positives (intelligence, confidence, leadership, ability to digest information, ability to go through progressions) for Matt Ryan are almost identical to Gabbert. I'd give Ryan the edge on experience in a pro style offense, but give Gabbert the edge in athleticism. Gabbert was the #1 rated pro style quarterback in the nation coming out of high school, ahead of a guy by the name of Andrew Luck. He had his pick of any college in the country (including Luck's school Stanford) but chose to stay close to home and play at Missouri.

You can find stats either for or against any player who ever played the game of football if you look hard enough. The perfect non quarterback example is Clay Mathews Jr. The guy had less than 5 sacks his entire career at USC. Now he is an absolute stud. On the flip side take a guy like Tom Burke who the Cards drafted in 1999. He had 20 sacks his senior year at Wisconsin and absolutely sucked in the NFL.

Truth. And Joe has consumed way too much Gabbert haterade. :D

Otherwise, this guy wouldnt be getting Top 5 praise.

He's certainly worth the pick and given the current state of the offseason, we need to address the QB slot early, as long as it isnt Newton
 

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I dont think Gabbert is worth the #5 pick.. I think he's a solid QB.. I just think we need to go defense with the #5 pick.. Too many good defensive players that are more worthy of the #5 pick..
 

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I dont think Gabbert is worth the #5 pick.. I think he's a solid QB.. I just think we need to go defense with the #5 pick.. Too many good defensive players that are more worthy of the #5 pick..

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This 1st round is loaded with future great defensive players throughout IMO
 

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This 1st round is loaded with future great defensive players throughout IMO

I agree and that really is the dilemma facing the Cardinals. The wealth of defensive talent is staggering in this draft, but to overlook our quarterback situation is crazy. If we are banking on Marc Bulger and John Skelton to lead this franchise forward, I worry that we are heading back to the days of Jeff Blake and Josh McKown. Skelton's play at the end of the year made everyone a little bit more excited going into 2011, but to bank on him as our future is just plain stupid in my opinion. Maybe we go Kevin Kolb, but something tells me that Andy Reid is a pretty darn smart guy and if Kolb was the next great one, I really doubt he lets him go just to keep Michael Vick.
 

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