The Big Summer of 2012

[Divide Et Impera]

Warrick and Markieff Morris for Ariza and #10

Amnesty Childress and sign Brook Lopez.

Lose Nash, Hill in free agency.
Marcin Gortat / Robin Lopez
Brook Lopez / Channing Frye
Jared Dudley / Trevor Ariza
Austin Rivers / Shannon Brown
Kendall Marshall / Aaron Brooks / Sebastian Telfair

I would like to see something like that. I also think if Brook Lopez at PF fails even with his injuries he is not a bad investment as there is always a market for talented 7' footers.

I'm all over this lineup. I mean, we're not hitting the top of the lottery next year because we'd probably end up in about the exact same position, but we draft our backcourt and we have a proven frontcourt. That's a GREAT way to go. Next year, we draft the best swingman available, but either Dudley or Ariza becomes our defensive specialist off the bench. Sign me up....

 

[Divide Et Impera]

BTW, I see no reason to bring Brooks back. I'd rather roll with Telfair or some FA as the backup PG, but otherwise, I'm picking up what you're putting down....

 

[chickenhead]

I do worry that since Nash has supposedly agreed to a sign and trade, that this is the option the Suns will pursue if they can't keep him. Well, that doesn't worry me in itself, but if negotiations drag out with him before they accomplish a trade I'm concerned that a non-expiring overpaid player comes back in exchange.

 

[Mainstreet]

I do worry that since Nash has supposedly agreed to a sign and trade, that this is the option the Suns will pursue if they can't keep him. Well, that doesn't worry me in itself, but if negotiations drag out with him before they accomplish a trade I'm concerned that a non-expiring overpaid player comes back in exchange.

IMO, it depends on who that overpaid player might be, and what draft picks come along with it. The Suns are not going to climb the mountain in the short run. Somehow I wish the Suns could include Childress in a trade where the Suns do not entertain the idea of giving up a first round pick.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I'm all over this lineup. I mean, we're not hitting the top of the lottery next year because we'd probably end up in about the exact same position, but we draft our backcourt and we have a proven frontcourt. That's a GREAT way to go. Next year, we draft the best swingman available, but either Dudley or Ariza becomes our defensive specialist off the bench. Sign me up....

Can either of you explain to me why you'd want Brook Lopez? Maybe at 8 million per year, but even at that, I'd be wary, and he'll make far more than that.

Good teams aren't build on overpaying mediocre talent.

 

[devilalum]

I would like to see the Suns let Nash go and use their cap space to acquire picks like OKC did with us. There aren't any great players out there that are going to come to Phoenix but there has to be a few teams that want to get rid of a player bad enough to give up a #1 pick.

If the Suns play their cards right they could have 5 or 6 first round picks over the next 3 years and have a young competitive team.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Can either of you explain to me why you'd want Brook Lopez? Maybe at 8 million per year, but even at that, I'd be wary, and he'll make far more than that.

Good teams aren't build on overpaying mediocre talent.

It worked for the Knicks. Remember all those championships they won under Isiah Thomas? Brook Lopez is exactly the kind of guy they'd have targeted. Healthy, he's better than Robin, but man oh man is that not saying much.

Steve

 

[Joe Mama]

Don't bring back Brooks. Brook Lopez at $8 million per season? Good lord no

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Don't bring back Brooks. Brook Lopez at $8 million per season? Good lord no

Oh, trust me, I don't want him either. I'm just terrified our FO will be much like some on this board and want to blow money like it's going out of style on worthless players.

 

[Phrazbit]

Oh, trust me, I don't want him either. I'm just terrified our FO will be much like some on this board and want to blow money like it's going out of style on worthless players.

Somewhere Childress, Warrick and Turkeyglue's ears are ringing...

 

[Covert Rain]

Can we stop talking about the Lopez brothers? Seriously. if this team has to rely on either of those guys to become relevant again....this franchise is in a far deeper hole than anybody could imagine.

 

[slinslin]

Don't bring back Brooks. Brook Lopez at $8 million per season? Good lord no

$8m per would be a great investment in him. He is easily a top 3 center offensively when healthy. Actually #1 likely although you can argue it.

For that type of money you immediately sign him. Even if you don't want him at 8M$ at his age and talent level he will always be a tradeable asset.

If we could get him at 8M$ per season for 4-5 years it would be a no brainer to sign Brooks Lopez, absolutely no-brainer. Thats just a notch over Channing Frye type money.

 

[95pro]

sign brook, get rid of robin for a draft pick.

 

[chickenhead]

Quick aside: does anyone think that Robin might get better or more consistent with his brother on the roster? I'm not suggesting this as a reason to bring him in, just wondering.

 

[95pro]

Quick aside: does anyone think that Robin might get better or more consistent with his brother on the roster? I'm not suggesting this as a reason to bring him in, just wondering.

only thing i can think of, is that he'd cut his hair

 

[SirStefan32]

$8m per would be a great investment in him. He is easily a top 3 center offensively when healthy. Actually #1 likely although you can argue it.

For that type of money you immediately sign him. Even if you don't want him at 8M$ at his age and talent level he will always be a tradeable asset.

If we could get him at 8M$ per season for 4-5 years it would be a no brainer to sign Brooks Lopez, absolutely no-brainer. Thats just a notch over Channing Frye type money.

I don't agree with you very often, but I am with you 100% on this one. Lopez is an amazing offensive player. Bynum and MAYBE Howard might be better, but we could probably debate that for days. At $8M per year, he'd be a great investment.

 

[elindholm]

Quick aside: does anyone think that Robin might get better or more consistent with his brother on the roster? I'm not suggesting this as a reason to bring him in, just wondering.

The whole argument when they were at Stanford was that playing alongside Brook was holding Robin back, and that Robin needed to get on his own team in order to come into his own.

 

[Phrazbit]

New Jersey isnt going to let Lopez walk for 8 million. You'd have to overpay significantly to pry him away and overpaying for that pile is the kind of move that will keep us in the gutter a long time.

 

[sunsfan88]

New Jersey isnt going to let Lopez walk for 8 million. You'd have to overpay significantly to pry him away and overpaying for that pile is the kind of move that will keep us in the gutter a long time.

Unless they get Dwight.

 

[Phrazbit]

Unless they get Dwight.

They wont get Dwight without signing and trading Lopez.

 

[overseascardfan]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...nix-suns-facing-important-week-decisions.html

Okay so here is an article in today's AZ Republic. To summarize it appears that if Nash leaves, potential FA targets include: Raymond Felton, Goran Dragic (no surprise), Nick Young, Ersan Illyasova & maybe Elton Brand if he is amnestied. The article mentions PHX could throw an offer Eric Gordon's way and see if NO will match it, however I think they will. They could have a nucleus of Anthony Davis, Eric Gordon & Damian Lilliard going into next season which would be a great rebuilding start for them.

I hope that if PHX is going to trade Nash they do it before or on draft night and not after unless there is a deal in place where a team takes the guy we want and deals him to us later. They need to get a draft pick out of the deal otherwise getting rid of him is pointless. Article mentions TOR, POR DAL ( I doubt unless they don't get Williams)& NY as possible destinations so we'll see hopefully by the end of this week what the Sun's plans are as FA starts Saturday and the draft is Thursday.

 

[carey]

I hope that if PHX is going to trade Nash they do it before or on draft night and not after unless there is a deal in place where a team takes the guy we want and deals him to us later. They need to get a draft pick out of the deal otherwise getting rid of him is pointless. Article mentions TOR, POR DAL ( I doubt unless they don't get Williams)& NY as possible destinations so we'll see hopefully by the end of this week what the Sun's plans are as FA starts Saturday and the draft is Thursday.

They can not trade Nash on draft night. They can't do anything with Nash until he's an FA on July 1st. I made this mistake earlier as well, but teams can't negotiate with Nash right now, so a S&T can't even be talked about until after the draft. If they get a draft pick it will be next year, not this year.

Also, I'm sure you guys saw that the League won the arbitration hearing on Lin & Novak. This means NYK has their bird rights. It's important because it means they can go over the cap to resign both of them while keeping their MLE in tact to offer to someone like Nash. Personally I think Nash, Lin, Douglas & Shumpert is overkill, but what do I know. They could just run Shumpert at the 2 I suppose. This probably also means they'll be letting Landry Fields & Baron Davis go unless they want to be way over the LT.

 

[carey]

He is easily a top 3 center offensively when healthy.

My first instinct was "Whut?" After looking at his stats though, I guess you can make a case for that. He only played 3 games last season, to which I say, beware big men with foot problems. His rebounding basically went in the dumper. 5.9 rebounds/game as a 7-footer playing starters minutes is garbage. There are 6' guards that average that. The Nets basically have no assets. They'll wind up having to pay Brook Lopez whatever the hell he wants. Probably Gerald Wallace too.

 

[Mainstreet]

There is an interesting article that talks about free agency although it contains nothing really new. It was written by Paul Coro dated 6-23-12 at azcentral. Here is an excerpt.

There are point guards the Suns could pursue in free agency too, like one who has struck their interest (Portland outcast Raymond Felton) and one they traded to Houston (Goran Dragic). There is a huge unrestricted free-agent catch in Deron Williams, the All-Star who turns 28 on Tuesday. Insiders believe he is more likely to sign with his hometown Dallas Mavericks or remain with the Nets, who are moving to Brooklyn.

The Suns could also take fliers on a restricted free agent such as off-guard Eric Gordon but run the risk of New Orleans matching the offer and having cap space tied up during the response period. Beyond Williams and Gordon, there are largely role players in free agency unless the Suns hope a player such as Milwaukee's Ersan Ilyasova or the Los Angeles Clippers' Nick Young is a rising star. There is also the possibility of pursuing another team's amnesty claim, such as Philadelphia's Elton Brand.

I would like taking a chance on Ersan Ilyasova. Also it seems many forget Kris Humphries is a free agent worth considering as well. Ilyasova would be my first choice if the Suns are going to lay out some cash and they do not go big in the draft.

See link below.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...nix-suns-facing-important-week-decisions.html

 

[devilalum]

While Nash has been a major free-agency recruiting tool in recent years, the Suns are leaning more now on their environment, acclaimed athletic trainers, the Valley, the club's success and fan base. The Suns saw an 11 percent drop in attendance last season and fell to 21st in the NBA for average attendance and arena capacity percentage. There is a possibility that they will need patience from their fan base if their discipline results in subtle moves -- like last year's one-year contract signings of Shannon Brown, Sebastian Telfair, Ronnie Price and Michael Redd -- to better take advantage of the cap space later.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...g-important-week-decisions.html#ixzz1ykfEpcLO

This is gonna get a lot worse if they don't pull off a miracle.