The Cardinals pick M.Floyd @ #13

[Crazy Canuck]

Yep.



Yep.

Man, I'm going to get blasted in the days to come on the board. It looks like this was a popular pick. I think it is about the dumbest thing we could have done, given who else was available. We eschewed BPA and drafted for a need--WR2.

Selecting a player projected to go in the top 10 in most mocks is hardly eschewing BPA. Wouldn't selecting an OL or OLB at #13 be by definition drafting for need?

 

[cardncubfan]

How many of you REALLY believe Doucet is a legit #2 WR. We have just made him a GREAT #3.

Our weapons on offense are probably the best in the West especially if Williams returns from his injury. Fitz, Floyd, Wells, Williams, Housler,Hyphen, Doucet and Roberts.

This kid is no waffle hands Bryant Johnson. We have just taken all excuses away from Kolb and Skelton He has 2 wr that he can literally throw jump balls to.

Is the oline a cause for concern? Yes. There is still 6 more rounds and some free agents to still address that.

One other thing to think about ...if ANYTHING happens to Fitz for any stetch of time where the hell would be then?

This. Very valid points.

 

[CardLogic]

One other thing to think about ...if ANYTHING happens to Fitz for any stetch of time where the hell would be then?

You really make a great point! The Cardinals have been fortunate that Fitzgerald has been so durable; but what if indeed?

Floyd is a solid pick, if not an exciting one.

 

[desertdawg]

I liked the pick, but Larry Fitzgerald is the de facto general manager of the Arizona Cardinals now.

It's baffling how they've decided to build this team. Kolb is gone after next year.

Still, I'm super-excited to have Michael Floyd here instead of Riley Reiff. I guess that the offense couldn't succeed with Andre Roberts and Early Doucet. 2012 Whis totally showed 2011 Whis what's up.

I wanted Ingram a bit more than Floyd but I am superstoked. I figured Horton or Fitz could use the most help out there...and it was kinda BPA.

 

[Stout]

Selecting a player projected to go in the top 10 in most mocks is hardly eschewing BPA. Wouldn't selecting an OL or OLB at #13 be by definition drafting for need?

This is all clearly just my opinion. IMO, no, he wasn't top 10. IMO at least three players--DeCastro, Ingram and Hightower, in that order, were far better BPA selections. The Steelers just thanked us for passing on DeCastro, and just ran away with a perennial all-pro, IMO.

 

[Pariah]

I'm somewhere betwen "great pick" and "on the fence." I think it was a very good pick, not great. But I'm not on the fence about that opinion.

 

[Billy Bob]

I like the pick!

 

[Southpaw]

Seems as if 28 teams didn't see OL value in the 1st round. IIRC only 4 OL were taken tonight. Only one taken before #23. Another reason to love the WR pick. BPA and need.

 

[D-Dogg]

Solid pick...could have gone a lot of ways, but MF is a very good player with enormous upside. Great hands, can leap, runs good routes. Training with Larry could make him very, very good.

We could have gone other directions, but the team seemed to like MF a lot, and so do I.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I don't get it. One minute OL is a need and there is talk that Floyd is a legit top ten pick. The next minute we drafted for need and Reiff (who slid quite a bit) was the bpa. IMO its a good pick considering how sluggish our offense looked last year.

Floyd wasn't my top pick (Ingram was), but I can see the reasoning.

 

[desertdawg]

I don't get it. One minute OL is a need and there is talk that Floyd is a legit top ten pick. The next minute we drafted for need and Reiff (who slid quite a bit) was the bpa. IMO its a good pick considering how sluggish our offense looked last year.

Floyd wasn't my top pick (Ingram was), but I can see the reasoning.

I think Floyd might have inched out Ingram on the Cards BPA board, Reiff had to be in the same hood. The choices we had were awesome at the time, I think Floyd will pan out, especially chillin with Larry.

 

[Darkside]

I think Floyd might have inched out Ingram on the Cards BPA board, Reiff had to be in the same hood. The choices we had were awesome at the time, I think Floyd will pan out, especially chillin with Larry.

Was discussing the Larry influence with the wife and she made a good point when I said Larry can't be with him every minute of the day. He can't lock Floyd away in his mansion. She said MONEY TALKS. And Larry makes a LOT of money. That will open a young dudes eyes. It will hopefully convince him that if he does it like Larry he will be much happier.

 

[desertdawg]

Was discussing this pick with the wife and she said Larry will have this dude under lock and key and even though he can't be with him every minute, money talks. And Larry makes a LOT of money. That will open a young dudes eyes, that if he does it the way Larry does it he will be much happier.

Yamon, if Floyd wants to be the best, he just hit the motherload. If his dedication is there, the talent sure is. I do imagine Larry pimping Floyd a bit to the club but Floyd does merit this pick. He really does try and find the ball, doesn't even give up the ball's location as far as coverage is concerned...than he does the Larry quite well. I think the TE'S and other recievers can benefit as much as Fitz can. Might chill out the desire to constantly blitz us like back when we had two great receivers. If this dude wants to ball and learn the NFL (off season included), Fitz is down.com

 

[Chopper0080]

Seems as if 28 teams didn't see OL value in the 1st round. IIRC only 4 OL were taken tonight. Only one taken before #23. Another reason to love the WR pick. BPA and need.

This might be the most telling fact of all.


Like most, it would not have been my pick, but I get why they picked him and am ok with it.

 

[Brian]

I like the pick, but I'm also going to wait until the draft is over before I re-visit it.

 

[kerouac9]

I don't get it. One minute OL is a need and there is talk that Floyd is a legit top ten pick. The next minute we drafted for need and Reiff (who slid quite a bit) was the bpa. IMO its a good pick considering how sluggish our offense looked last year.

Floyd wasn't my top pick (Ingram was), but I can see the reasoning.

I don't really understand how people can say that we drafted Michael Floyd for need. We have three legit NFL wide receivers on the roster right now. We have significant need at outside linebacker (O'Brien Schofield hasn't proven anything yet, and I'm not sure the coaching staff is in love with him) and dire need on the offensive line.

I'm fine with taking Michael Floyd as a value pick and to be a weapon for Tyler Wilson next year. I'm mostly disappointed that we'll probably not be taking your boy Alshon Jeffrey with the 80th pick in the draft.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't really understand how people can say that we drafted Michael Floyd for need. We have three legit NFL wide receivers on the roster right now. We have significant need at outside linebacker (O'Brien Schofield hasn't proven anything yet, and I'm not sure the coaching staff is in love with him) and dire need on the offensive line.

I'm fine with taking Michael Floyd as a value pick and to be a weapon for Tyler Wilson next year. I'm mostly disappointed that we'll probably not be taking your boy Alshon Jeffrey with the 80th pick in the draft.

If Jeffrey was available at 80, I would still take him. BPA, and he is an upgrade over both Roberts and Doucet IMO.

 

[desertdawg]

If Jeffrey was available at 80, I would still take him. BPA, and he is an upgrade over both Roberts and Doucet IMO.

Even after we took Floyd???? Come on man!! I love BPA more than the next guy

 

[NJCardFan]

Is the oline a cause for concern? Yes. There is still 6 more rounds and some free agents to still address that.

Um, you do remember we don't have a 2nd round pick, right?

 

[kerouac9]

If Jeffrey was available at 80, I would still take him. BPA, and he is an upgrade over both Roberts and Doucet IMO.

Why don't we take 6 wide receivers and Levy Adcock?

I'd give that draft an A+

 

[thephoenixson28]

Cardinals always drafted for needs, now they are drafting for best talent. Clearly they did both with this pick. If people think that Roberts can be are #2 are freakin crazy.

 

[NJCardFan]

I can see the rest of the draft now:

3rd Round-DB
4th Round-DL
5th Round-FB
6th Round-QB
7th Round-ILB

For some reason this is how I see things shaking out.

 

[Darkside]

I don't really understand how people can say that we drafted Michael Floyd for need. We have three legit NFL wide receivers on the roster right now. We have significant need at outside linebacker (O'Brien Schofield hasn't proven anything yet, and I'm not sure the coaching staff is in love with him) and dire need on the offensive line.

I'm fine with taking Michael Floyd as a value pick and to be a weapon for Tyler Wilson next year. I'm mostly disappointed that we'll probably not be taking your boy Alshon Jeffrey with the 80th pick in the draft.

I respect your opinion but I don't understand how you can say a #2 WR wasn't a need? Our #2's (and you can add #2 and #3 together) didn't get the job done. It wasn't so much the dropped passes--that happens--and wasn't so much a lack of getting open, which was an issue; it's mostly, for me, that they choked in big games and during big moments.

There's a reason people remember all those dropped passes: because they came during either crucial drives or crucial games or "game-moments". I don't understand how people can rip on a dude like Levi Brown for getting false starts in crucial drives (which is entirely legitimate, even though I like the dude) and then give our #2's a break when it comes to the same thing. They have no mental toughness whatsoever. When you're only getting a certain # of balls that are catchable you have to catch them. I don't expect them to dive and make one-handed grabs for first downs like Fitz, but I expect them to catch balls which hit them in the hands.

I was a big proponent of saying Boldin was expendable. I agree'd that Breaston was over-valued. I was totally wrong about Boldin. I knew he was badass, but I figured he could be replaced by Breaston (negative).

People can say we need Oline, I'm one of those people. But the O line didn't make our 2's and 3's drop those balls during those crucial times in games. If those are caught...had a Boldin caught them, he's taking many of those to the house and that changes a game completely. Just the threat of a Boldin changes the coverage and game completely.

I absolutely think it was a need. I think our #2 killed us last year. We were 8-8 with what we had. With a Floyd and with those catches and scores instead of drops everything changes in those games. In some games our Oline is run blocking after a score instead of pass blocking in desperation. It completely changes the complexion of games, and we weren't going to get that any other way. That's my opinion.

 

[desertdawg]

I respect your opinion but I don't understand how you can say a #2 WR wasn't a need? Our #2's (and you can add #2 and #3 together) didn't get the job done. It wasn't so much the dropped passes--that happens--and wasn't so much a lack of getting open, which was an issue; it's mostly, for me, that they choked in big games and during big moments.

There's a reason people remember all those dropped passes: because they came during either crucial drives or crucial games or "game-moments". I don't understand how people can rip on a dude like Levi Brown for getting false starts in crucial drives (which is entirely legitimate, even though I like the dude) and then give our #2's a break when it comes to the same thing. They have no mental toughness whatsoever. When you're only getting a certain # of balls that are catchable you have to catch them. I don't expect them to dive and make one-handed grabs for first downs like Fitz, but I expect them to catch balls which hit them in the hands.

I was a big proponent of saying Boldin was expendable. I agree'd that Breaston was over-valued. I was totally wrong about Boldin. I knew he was badass, but I figured he could be replaced by Breaston (negative).

People can say we need Oline, I'm one of those people. But the O line didn't make our 2's and 3's drop those balls during those crucial times in games. If those are caught...had a Boldin caught them, he's taking many of those to the house and that changes a game completely. Just the threat of a Boldin changes the coverage and game completely.

I absolutely think it was a need. I think our #2 killed us last year. We were 8-8 with what we had. With a Floyd and with those catches and scores instead of drops everything changes in those games. In some games our Oline is run blocking after a score instead of pass blocking in desperation. It completely changes the complexion of games, and we weren't going to get that any other way. That's my opinion.

He was just saying Floyd could be considered BPA when we picked. I'm in the same crowd though kinda, our reciever core wasn't the problem last year. Our #2 dropped the nickname glass last year and helped us in crucial moments as well as sunk us in crucial moments. His third down receptions kept us pimp at times, Roberts was still a baby but shows skill. Sorry, not speaking for K9

 

[Chopper0080]

Why don't we take 6 wide receivers and Levy Adcock?

I'd give that draft an A+

If I can get a top 45 talent at 80, I would have a hard time passing. I just don't the too much difference between the OTs likely to be available at 80 and those at 112.