The Cardinals pick M.Floyd @ #13

[Darkside]

He was just saying Floyd could be considered BPA when we picked. I'm in the same crowd though kinda. Our #2 dropped the nickname glass last year and helped us in crucial moments as well as sunk us in crucial moments. His third down receptions kept us pimp at times, Roberts was still a baby but shows skill. Sorry, not speaking for K9

I'm inclined to think he was BPA and a need, the best of both worlds. I really didn't like Roberts last year, he had 51 catches but was so inconsistent that it infuriated me, and he rarely played big in big games or big moments. I hate calling someone a choker, but that's what he was. Consistency is king in the NFL. If you're going to make 51 catches make the catches you're supposed to, but don't make a highlight catch and then drop one that hits you in the hands for a TD. Doucet had 54 catches and was the same way. I think Floyd owns both those guys. And most importantly I think he will have an impact on games. Because he's not only consistent but can make a highlight catch and a normal in-your-hands catch. If he scores on those misses they had, that changes a game.

(Granted: I could be totally wrong about Floyd, I'm just saying #2 WR was a need. I did however, want us to take a T in the first round. My only point is that we needed a #2)

 

[desertdawg]

Worst it could be is Carter and Moss but Az style!!!! Tuuuuuuuch dooooown Adeeeeezooooonuuuhhh....mumero treeehhh-seeehhhh!!!! Floooyyyddd! You know how we do.
Edit: please don't start a Carter Moss thread

 

[Darkside]

My wife took a college spanish class last year; I had to watch many games in spanish, don't get me started.

 

[desertdawg]

My wife took a college spanish class last year; I had to watch many games in spanish, don't get me started.

We do have an awesome fan base, makes tail gaiting food soooo good.

 

[Proteus]

Ok pick. I would have preferred a pass rusher or o-lineman. I think Floyd will be good though.

 

[Darkside]

We do have an awesome fan base, makes tail gaiting food soooo good.

Good thing is, "Oh no, Kolb is running!" sounds roughly the same in both languages. At least the "oh no" part.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

This was a monster pick. I friggin LOVE Floyd as a #2 to Fitz. The only way this could have been a better first day was if Blackmon had slid to us, but Floyd is right close to Blackmon, IMO. If Kolb can't make this work (and I'm one of the fans around here who will give him a mulligan for last year), then we gotta move on.

Fitz-Floyd-Doucet

C'mon. That's a WR set from hell!

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Good thing is, "Oh no, Kolb is running!" sounds roughly the same in both languages. At least the "oh no" part.

"Ay cabron! El Kolb esta corriendo!"

 

[desertdawg]

This was a monster pick. I friggin LOVE Floyd as a #2 to Fitz. The only way this could have been a better first day was if Blackmon had slid to us, but Floyd is right close to Blackmon, IMO. If Kolb can't make this work (and I'm one of the fans around here who will give him a mulligan for last year), then we gotta move on.

Fitz-Floyd-Doucet

C'mon. That's a WR set from hell!

+1

 

[AsUdUdE]

Outstanding Pick!

 

[Darkside]

This was a monster pick. I friggin LOVE Floyd as a #2 to Fitz. The only way this could have been a better first day was if Blackmon had slid to us, but Floyd is right close to Blackmon, IMO. If Kolb can't make this work (and I'm one of the fans around here who will give him a mulligan for last year), then we gotta move on.

Fitz-Floyd-Doucet

C'mon. That's a WR set from hell!

Totally agree with this.

 

[AzStevenCal]

This was a monster pick. I friggin LOVE Floyd as a #2 to Fitz. The only way this could have been a better first day was if Blackmon had slid to us, but Floyd is right close to Blackmon, IMO. If Kolb can't make this work (and I'm one of the fans around here who will give him a mulligan for last year), then we gotta move on.

Fitz-Floyd-Doucet

C'mon. That's a WR set from hell!

I'm keeping an open mind on Floyd but I want to see if he can get open without racking up the PI calls. I don't think he'll be a bust in any case but I'm not sure he'll be a star either. On the plus side, if nothing else, at least we picked up the best blocking WR in the draft.

Steve

 

[Darkside]

"Ay cabron! El Kolb esta corriendo!"

No, make it stop, it's the only Spanish I know. I know 3 things in spanish: Where's the bathroom, where's the beer, and oh no Kolb is running.

 

[AzStevenCal]

No, make it stop, it's the only Spanish I know. I know 3 things in spanish: Where's the bathroom, where's the beer, and oh no Kolb is running.

Donde esta la biblioteca?

Esteban

 

[Darkside]

I'm keeping an open mind on Floyd but I want to see if he can get open without racking up the PI calls. I don't think he'll be a bust in any case but I'm not sure he'll be a star either. On the plus side, if nothing else, at least we picked up the best blocking WR in the draft.

Steve

Just curious, where do you get the PI calls from? The clips I saw he used his body perfectly. I don't watch college ball so did he have a lot of PI calls in college? I was impressed, just in the clips I saw, with his use of his size actually without being illegal. He doesn't use a lot of hands to create separation, from what I saw (used some elbows though I noticed, but they were still tight to his body). I thought he had really good technique personally, I just questioned his route running, but he was able to go after the ball and create separation when he needed to without being overt about it (in my opinion).

 

[WildBB]

Well everyone should know who followed leading up to the draft what I think of the pick.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/bbs-2012-cardinals-draft-v-1-0-and-last-178240.html

 

[Darkside]

Donde esta la biblioteca?

Esteban

Las bibliotecas que necesita cuando se tiene la cerveza.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Just curious, where do you get the PI calls from? The clips I saw he used his body perfectly. I don't watch college ball so did he have a lot of PI calls in college? I was impressed, just in the clips I saw, with his use of his size actually without being illegal. He doesn't use a lot of hands to create separation, from what I saw (used some elbows though I noticed, but they were still tight to his body).

Sorry, I wasn't clear. It wasn't a big problem in college but I worry that he won't be able to get separation at the next level without picking up PI calls. He has good body control, great hands and he high-points the ball very well but we already have a receiver that does all that. I'd feel much better about Floyd if we had a QB like Warner but with Kolb and Skelton he's going to have to create a little space if he wants to be a target.

Steve

 

[Darkside]

Sorry, I wasn't clear. It wasn't a big problem in college but I worry that he won't be able to get separation at the next level without picking up PI calls. He has good body control, great hands and he high-points the ball very well but we already have a receiver that does all that. I'd feel much better about Floyd if we had a QB like Warner but with Kolb and Skelton he's going to have to create a little space if he wants to be a target.

Steve

I'm more worried about his routes. Regarding press coverage in the pro's, the guy is really big, almost huge, and quick (I wouldn't say fast), and even in the pro's he's going to be larger than anyone covering him. I don't believe he'll get pressed that much (because of his inferior route running ability), but if he does I think that's where he has an advantage.

His comeback's route's, out's and fly's are really bad though. His comeback route's are really bad, he has no stopping ability (planting his foot and getting back to the QB to give him a target), he has no double move I've seen (he's got a wiggle, but pro defenders will laugh at it), and his out's and fly patterns left him covered even in college. He has superior ball skills and ability to locate it, in college, so he was able to catch it, but I wonder in the pro's, against good corners.

I'm not a pro so I don't know, that's just what I saw on tape. I'm hopeful about the pick. At his size though, last thing I worry about is press coverage and the like. I think he's going to get punished at times for his route running ability. I saw a few plays where he did cut the route short and flatten out the defender and go across the middle. Drive the CB up the field, stop and flatten out to go across the field and that was good, and he's good with his body. But when it comes to running crisp routes, I don't know.

(I'm also buzzed and watching youtube videos of him, it's not like I have tape and know wtf I'm talking about)

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm more worried about his routes. Regarding press coverage in the pro's, the guy is really big, almost huge, and quick (I wouldn't say fast), and even in the pro's he's going to be larger than anyone covering him. I don't believe he'll get pressed that much (because of his inferior route running ability), but if he does I think that's where he has an advantage.

His comeback's route's, out's and fly's are really bad though. His comeback route's are really bad, he has no stopping ability (planting his foot and getting back to the QB to give him a target), he has no double move I've seen (he's got a wiggle, but pro defenders will laugh at it), and his out's and fly patterns left him covered even in college. He has superior ball skills and ability to locate it, in college, so he was able to catch it, but I wonder in the pro's, against good corners.

I'm not a pro so I don't know, that's just what I saw on tape. I'm hopeful about the pick. At his size though, last thing I worry about is press coverage and the like. I think he's going to get punished at times for his route running ability. I saw a few plays where he did cut the route short and flatten out the defender and go across the middle. Drive the CB up the field, stop and flatten out to go across the field and that was good, and he's good with his body. But when it comes to running crisp routes, I don't know.

(I'm also buzzed and watching youtube videos of him, it's not like I have tape and know wtf I'm talking about)

I like his top end speed but it seems to take him awhile to get there. He used his hands occasionally against press coverage in college and I think he's going to have to do that even more aggressively in the pros. But, my big worry about separation isn't whether he'll be able to catch contested balls, it's whether the QB will even view him as a target. If our QB has to put a ball in the air to a covered receiver, he might as well throw it to Miracle Larry.

If this guy can't get enough separation for our QB to view him as a target, I don't see him drawing enough defensive attention to get Larry into single coverage. My mind isn't made up on the guy, I do see some strengths in this pick. Right now, we're viewing him as a complement to Fitz but if he can slim down a little (like Fitz did for our Super Bowl year) and consistently run tighter routes, he could be a nice replacement when Larry retires.

Steve

 

[Darkside]

I like his top end speed but it seems to take him awhile to get there. He used his hands occasionally against press coverage in college and I think he's going to have to do that even more aggressively in the pros. But, my big worry about separation isn't whether he'll be able to catch contested balls, it's whether the QB will even view him as a target. If our QB has to put a ball in the air to a covered receiver, he might as well throw it to Miracle Larry.

If this guy can't get enough separation for our QB to view him as a target, I don't see him drawing enough defensive attention to get Larry into single coverage. My mind isn't made up on the guy, I do see some strengths in this pick. Right now, we're viewing him as a complement to Fitz but if he can slim down a little (like Fitz did for our Super Bowl year) and consistently run tighter routes, he could be a nice replacement when Larry retires.

Steve

Can't disagree with this. If his route running ability doesn't improve Kolb may never consider him even open (and he may not be). You make a great point, a really valid point in my opinion, that if you're going to toss it up to a "maybe" covered receiver, you may as well throw it to Larry. That's so true.

You make some really valid points. I'm still excited about the pick (there's nothing we can do about it now, we may as well hope he does well for our team).

You mentioned slimming down and I read somewhere here on this forum that he used to be 10 lbs lighter before his senior year, and they were saying maybe Grimm would trim the "fat" (doubt he has fat, but you know what I mean) off him. I wanted to add then, and I will now, that on Sirius they were saying Floyd was a risk because of his weight @ 220 or 225, because when you get to be 25 or so you'll pick up some weight no matter how much you work out and they were skeptical of his size because of that. If Grimm can trim some of that, like you said, maybe he'll be sleeker (that would be pretty much Larry Fitzgerald size) and faster. And by the time he's 25 or more and gains that weight, he'll be Boldin heavy size.

(Edit: Should add, I don't see Floyd taking coverage from Larry no matter how good he is. Larry is Larry, they're going to stay doubled on him unless they're crazy. I'm just hoping they stay honest on Floyd as a #2--which defenders didn't in large part last year on our #2--to open up the rest of our game, the TE's, RB's, and Williams to the flats. I doubt Floyd takes coverage off Larry unless he's phenomenal. Larry is all-world, doesn't matter who we get, they're going to cover Larry heavily)

 

[AzStevenCal]

Can't disagree with this. If his route running ability doesn't improve Kolb may never consider him even open (and he may not be). You make a great point, a really valid point in my opinion, that if you're going to toss it up to a "maybe" covered receiver, you may as well throw it to Larry. That's so true.

You make some really valid points. I'm still excited about the pick (there's nothing we can do about it now, we may as well hope he does well for our team).

You mentioned slimming down and I read somewhere here on this forum that he used to be 10 lbs lighter before his senior year, and they were saying maybe Grimm would trim the "fat" (doubt he has fat, but you know what I mean) off him. I wanted to add then, and I will now, that on Sirius they were saying Floyd was a risk because of his weight @ 220 or 225, because when you get to be 25 or so you'll pick up some weight no matter how much you work out and they were skeptical of his size because of that. If Grimm can trim some of that, like you said, maybe he'll be sleeker (that would be pretty much Larry Fitzgerald size) and faster.

That's always my approach. Even if my initial opinion runs counter, I figure these guys have access to better information than I do so it's easy to talk myself into believing they're right. By next week, I'll have located my rose colored glasses and Floyd will look pretty shiny through them.

Steve

 

[rode kardinaal]

It's not the player i'm not too happy about, since i'm not up to date on Floyd's skills to be honest, it's the fact that a couple of years ago we had Fitz, Boldin and Breaston, we drafted a couple of receivers with fairly high picks, every year we're told that we've gotten a cheap amazing UDFA future pro bowl WR talent who only needs some experience and coaching to become a full time starter...... (by the way, Max Komar is available )

Yet we're using another high draft pick on a WR (and if all goes well we can't afford to keep in 4 years time when his contract expires anyway) when there's so many other holes that need filling. Drafting a WR in round 1 means that we've basically wasted another 3rd rounder two years ago.

This FO is so terrible at drafting. Or at developing. Or both. Either way, time for a change...

 

[Totally_Red]

LOL at Whisenhunt's sensitivity that Larry is calling the shots. The one instance where Rod Graves & company ignored Fitz and failed to make Anquan Boldin happy and a Cardinal for life, it backfired on them IMO. Now two years later that mistake is hopefully being rectified.

Now if Kevin Kolb isn't the answer and John Skelton doesn't dramatically improve, I expect Larry will be out scouting our 2013 first round QB selection.

As for Duckjake's comment about the disparate reactions of Blackmon and Floyd; think about it. One guy is going to a run-first offense with a QB who was one of the worst in the league last year to be a #1 wide receiver. The other guy is going to a team with arguably the best wide receiver in the NFL to be a #2 wide receiver with significantly less pressure to be 'the man'. Even with mediocre players at the QB position that is something to smile about isn't it?

I still wanted a trade down!

 

[Snakester]

This pick looks like most of our picks the last 5 years. Floyd is a solid pick and should be a very good number 2 for us but like the last 5 years we badly need offensive line and pass rushers and we again ignore our greatest needs.