The Cut List

[Harry]

Carson Palmer has been a valued Cardinal. Even when the O-line failed he seemed to find a way to move in the pocket and make the completion. It was very impressive. Now he seems to have lost some agility. He was never one who could run to avoid the rush, but now he has become a sitting duck. It's true this line was lousy, but this is no longer the QB who could consistently make plays under duress. The cap savings is $10.9 million.

I believe with Palmer gone Fitz retires. He's already acknowledged he believes the two receivers ahead of him in career rankings are unreachable. The Hall of Fame is a done deal. He'd like another Super Bowl, but that's not a one year deal. The cap savings $6.1 million.

It's time to take Washington off the reseve list and officially cut him. The cap savings is $4.7 million.

Bethel has been a huge disappointment. He never developed as a CB and his foot injury seems to have diminished his gunner abilities, which in any case wouldn't have justified this salary. The cap savings is $3.8 million.

Branch was signed to allow TM time to recover. It was felt Branch could cover the slot receiver. He can't. For whatever reason his speed has slowed. He is only an average tackler at best.

Niklas was the top blocking TE in his draft class. Sadly he had a history injury in college that continued to follow him into the NFL. The Cards save nearly 1 million cap dollars by cutting him.

John Brown is the last player on my hit list. While his situation is sad and not his fault, football is a cruel business. His availability is so undependable that he must be cut. If he wanted to re-sign an incentive ladened contract that would make the gamble of bringing him back worthwhile. He has no shortage of talent. Cutting him saves $700K cap dollars.

All together these changes amount to nearly $20 million in needed cap space. The Cards will still be squeezed, but this would facilitate a makeover that could allow the team to contend soon for the playoffs, maybe even in 2017.

 

[iRobot]

Already gonna have $42M to spend next offseason, but some of the moves you listed, I agree with.

 

[WildBB]

Time to move forward not stay stuck.

Keim said it. Usually the end is already there before the player realizes it or wants to acknowledge it. That says it there.

 

[overseascardfan]

Carson Palmer has been a valued Cardinal. Even when the O-line failed he seemed to find a way to move in the pocket and make the completion. It was very impressive. Now he seems to have lost some agility. He was never one who could run to avoid the rush, but now he has become a sitting duck. It's true this line was lousy, but this is no longer the QB who could consistently make plays under duress. The cap savings is $10.9 million.

I believe with Palmer gone Fitz retires. He's already acknowledged he believes the two receivers ahead of him in career rankings are unreachable. The Hall of Fame is a done deal. He'd like another Super Bowl, but that's not a one year deal. The cap savings $6.1 million.

It's time to take Washington off the reseve list and officially cut him. The cap savings is $4.7 million.

Bethel has been a huge disappointment. He never developed as a CB and his foot injury seems to have diminished his gunner abilities, which in any case wouldn't have justified this salary. The cap savings is $3.8 million.

Branch was signed to allow TM time to recover. It was felt Branch could cover the slot receiver. He can't. For whatever reason his speed has slowed. He is only an average tackler at best.

Niklas was the top blocking TE in his draft class. Sadly he had a history injury in college that continued to follow him into the NFL. The Cards save nearly 1 million cap dollars by cutting him.

John Brown is the last player on my hit list. While his situation is sad and not his fault, football is a cruel business. His availability is so undependable that he must be cut. If he wanted to re-sign an incentive ladened contract that would make the gamble of bringing him back worthwhile. He has no shortage of talent. Cutting him saves $7K cap dollars.

All together these changes amount to nearly $20 million in needed cap space. The Cards will still be squeezed, but this would facilitate a makeover that could allow the team to contend soon for the playoffs, maybe even in 2017.

I am in full agreement of your list.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Just who would be Palmer's replacement?

 

[GatorAZ]

I remember the MNF home opener vs San Diego a couple years ago. In the 4th qtr Palmer ran for three 1st downs and looked great. It's just a combo of age and his knees that he's so gd slow now. It will be even worse next year when he's 37-38.

 

[Mitch]

Carson Palmer has been a valued Cardinal. Even when the O-line failed he seemed to find a way to move in the pocket and make the completion. It was very impressive. Now he seems to have lost some agility. He was never one who could run to avoid the rush, but now he has become a sitting duck. It's true this line was lousy, but this is no longer the QB who could consistently make plays under duress. The cap savings is $10.9 million.

I believe with Palmer gone Fitz retires. He's already acknowledged he believes the two receivers ahead of him in career rankings are unreachable. The Hall of Fame is a done deal. He'd like another Super Bowl, but that's not a one year deal. The cap savings $6.1 million.

It's time to take Washington off the reseve list and officially cut him. The cap savings is $4.7 million.

Bethel has been a huge disappointment. He never developed as a CB and his foot injury seems to have diminished his gunner abilities, which in any case wouldn't have justified this salary. The cap savings is $3.8 million.

Branch was signed to allow TM time to recover. It was felt Branch could cover the slot receiver. He can't. For whatever reason his speed has slowed. He is only an average tackler at best.

Niklas was the top blocking TE in his draft class. Sadly he had a history injury in college that continued to follow him into the NFL. The Cards save nearly 1 million cap dollars by cutting him.

John Brown is the last player on my hit list. While his situation is sad and not his fault, football is a cruel business. His availability is so undependable that he must be cut. If he wanted to re-sign an incentive ladened contract that would make the gamble of bringing him back worthwhile. He has no shortage of talent. Cutting him saves $7K cap dollars.

All together these changes amount to nearly $20 million in needed cap space. The Cards will still be squeezed, but this would facilitate a makeover that could allow the team to contend soon for the playoffs, maybe even in 2017.

I agree with all of your choices and reasons, except perhaps for WR John Brown, who may well be able to get the right treatment and still be a value at his low salary.

The thing that sticks in my craw a little is the notion that all of the moves you made could be soaked up by signing one player: Chandler Jones.

Thus, I would like to know what your sense is about signing Chandler Jones or keeping him another year at an f-tag rate of $17.5M.

And, just as Yeahbut asked, whom do you tout as Palmer's replacement?

Plus---there are a couple of other players to consider versus the cap: DT Corey Peters and backup QB Drew Stanton who tie up over $6M in 2017 cap space if they are kept. Your thoughts on them?

 

[Iceman]

Agree with all. It's sad for JB, but hopefully he will take a reduction in order to stay (if they decide to part ways with him). Chandler Jones is a must to sign and keep him on the D. He has been the missing Pass Rusher we have been missing, especially last year.

What to do about the QB position??? That's a mystery. There are not any big time names in the draft and not too many out there that the Cards can really go after. All this scares me and hope we don't go back to the miserable 6-10, 5-11 seasons as we try and rebuild this team. We have put in our time and now we got spoiled the past decade with actually winning (for the most part). Guess we will have to wait and see

 

[GuernseyCard]

kind of hard to move around in the pocket with a centre in your lap.

Agree with none of these options.

 

[PJ1]

Who replaces Palmer? The rest I agree with.

 

[NYCARDS]

kind of hard to move around in the pocket with a centre in your lap.

Agree with none of these options.

The million dollar question. Well actually it will cost a lot more. If cutting John Brown is only saving $7,000 then keep him

 

[Jetstream Green]

Carson Palmer has been a valued Cardinal. Even when the O-line failed he seemed to find a way to move in the pocket and make the completion. It was very impressive. Now he seems to have lost some agility. He was never one who could run to avoid the rush, but now he has become a sitting duck. It's true this line was lousy, but this is no longer the QB who could consistently make plays under duress. The cap savings is $10.9 million.

I believe with Palmer gone Fitz retires. He's already acknowledged he believes the two receivers ahead of him in career rankings are unreachable. The Hall of Fame is a done deal. He'd like another Super Bowl, but that's not a one year deal. The cap savings $6.1 million.

It's time to take Washington off the reseve list and officially cut him. The cap savings is $4.7 million.

Bethel has been a huge disappointment. He never developed as a CB and his foot injury seems to have diminished his gunner abilities, which in any case wouldn't have justified this salary. The cap savings is $3.8 million.

Branch was signed to allow TM time to recover. It was felt Branch could cover the slot receiver. He can't. For whatever reason his speed has slowed. He is only an average tackler at best.

Niklas was the top blocking TE in his draft class. Sadly he had a history injury in college that continued to follow him into the NFL. The Cards save nearly 1 million cap dollars by cutting him.

John Brown is the last player on my hit list. While his situation is sad and not his fault, football is a cruel business. His availability is so undependable that he must be cut. If he wanted to re-sign an incentive ladened contract that would make the gamble of bringing him back worthwhile. He has no shortage of talent. Cutting him saves $7K cap dollars.

All together these changes amount to nearly $20 million in needed cap space. The Cards will still be squeezed, but this would facilitate a makeover that could allow the team to contend soon for the playoffs, maybe even in 2017.

Actually, for a traditional QB he can move pretty well in the pocket but he has no pocket. Shipley is a farce. The Cardinals do have a saving grace and that is David 'the horse' Johnson and we still have a stocked bevy of WRs who can play the slot... if BA would change his offensive approach and with our defensive talent, we could still be great even without Palmer provided the Cardinals can get a QB who has a accurate quick release

 

[dreday]

I would keep Palmer until we have a solid replacement. Not Romo, not a heartless Cutler. No way Drew Stanton. There are a lot more worse options then Palmer out there.

I agree with the rest of the list.

 

[Reign Blood]

Not so much cutting but not resigning FA's. Keeping most of the Fa's will chew up most of the cap so we better have a great draft.

 

[TJ]

Harry---this is silly. Carson is not getting cut nor should he.

Better solution-- keep Palmer, draft and develop a QB and re-evaluate the position in 2018


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[Bodha]

CC and Tony Jefferson. Tag Chandler.


Im ok with everybody else gone.

 

[JeffGollin]

Who replaces Palmer? The rest I agree with.

Agree.

Bigger issue: Are we better off stockpiling a lot of money to spend on players who may or may not pan out?

Or are we better off hanging onto as many good players as possible (because at least we know what we've got)?

 

[football karma]

Some of this calculus may be decided by how they finish the season.

Finish 2-1 for 7-8-1 means drafting at 14-16 or so and likely out of the range of the QBs you feel really good about

0-3 for 5-10-1 and its top 10 and that QB is in reach.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

if BA would change his offensive approach

The problem is... He won't.

For good or bad....(regardless of his personnel) he has one mind-set, and refuses to adjust it.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Harry---this is silly. Carson is not getting cut nor should he.

Better solution-- keep Palmer, draft and develop a QB and re-evaluate the position in 2018


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Given how long it took a seasoned vet like CP to pick up BA's offense... That QBOTF should have been drafted 2 years ago.

 

[juza76]

Given how long it took a seasoned vet like CP to pick up BA's offense... That QBOTF should have been drafted 2 years ago.

Do u assume BA will.stay here longer then 2017 season?

 

[Harry]

The number was wrong on Brown. I just corrected to $700K.

You won't like my suggestions. I'm looking for a QB that won't lose the game, a Trent Dilfer type. I'm sorry to say it but I think Palmer is done.

Matt Cassel, Jay Cutler and Nick Foles come to mind. They would just be a bridge to the QBOTF whom the Cards should draft. The right guy might take over by mid-season. They all should be available for $2 million. Are they better than Palmer? Likely they aren't, but sadly they may not be much worse. Cutler differs from the other two, as BA would likely game plan more aggressively if he were the QB.

People keep writing that with a better O-line Palmer would be fine. He wouldn't. Teams have seen his mobility decline and his general indecisiveness. They'll blitz him if they have to do do. He has not done well on hot reads this year,.

 

[Stout]

I'm with you, Harry.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I disagree on Palmer. His WR's have been awful this year and get zero separation. His arm looks fine to me. Early in the year his mechanics seemed to be off a bit but he's been fine, throwing the ball with accuracy and velocity, lately. Plus, look at all the key drops JJ Nelson and Floyd have had this year. It's going to be tough on any QB when your two top targets are Fitz and Gresham. Fitz is still awesome but both of those guys are very coverable these days. John Brown's illness has really hampered this offense.

 

[overseascardfan]

The number was wrong on Brown. I just corrected to $700K.

You won't like my suggestions. I'm looking for a QB that won't lose the game, a Trent Dilfer type. I'm sorry to say it but I think Palmer is done.

Matt Cassel, Jay Cutler and Nick Foles come to mind. They would just be a bridge to the QBOTF whom the Cards should draft. The right guy might take over by mid-season. They all should be available for $2 million. Are they better than Palmer? Likely they aren't, but sadly they may not be much worse. Cutler differs from the other two, as BA would likely game plan more aggressively if he were the QB.

People keep writing that with a better O-line Palmer would be fine. He wouldn't. Teams have seen his mobility decline and his general indecisiveness. They'll blitz him if they have to do do. He has not done well on hot reads this year,.

A game manager is what we need I agree with you on that Harry, DJ is a workhorse and the offense should center around him. Taking deep shots is fine but we over do it and are so predictable that defenses are always prepared. Cassel, Foles or Glennon for me would be nice stop gaps until a rookie whom I feel we can draft this year (maybe Mahomes in Round 2) can develop (ala Dak Prescott).

Palmer is not a $24M QB, sorry folks I don't care if some feel he is the best option next year for this team, a game manager can be had at a fraction of that price tag and we could use the cap space, even beyond this year. People say BA's system takes time to master but if he ends up retiring at the end of the year then that is a moot point.

ARZ needs to improve the OL, cut Palmer and Stanton, sign or trade for a stop gap and draft a QB early this year. Focusing offense around DJ affords the time to develop the QBOTF IMO.