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I'm going to the marathon...in Pittsburgh :D Hey, a friend bought me a book with $25 in free movie money, and the marathon costs...$25! I also get like a free drink or two. Brilliant!

So you'll hear your favorite voice right in the middle of your marathon. Enjoy it !!
 

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Falling like a rock on Rotten Tomatoes. Down to 86%.

Fortunately my expectations are so low at this point I will likely like it
 
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The Dark Knight Rises

Release Date: July 20, 2012 (2D theaters and IMAX)
Studio: Warner Bros. Pictures
Director: Christopher Nolan
Screenwriter: Jonathan Nolan, Christopher Nolan
Genre: Action, Thriller
MPAA Rating: PG-13 (for intense sequences of violence and action, some sensuality and language)
Website: TheDarkKnightRises.com

Starring: Christian Bale, Michael Caine, Anne Hathaway, Tom Hardy, Gary Oldman, Marion Cotillard, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Morgan Freeman

Plot Summary: Warner Bros. Pictures' and Legendary Pictures' "The Dark Knight Rises" is the epic conclusion to filmmaker Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy.

It has been eight years since Batman vanished into the night, turning, in that instant, from hero to fugitive. Assuming the blame for the death of D.A. Harvey Dent, the Dark Knight sacrificed everything for what he and Commissioner Gordon both hoped was the greater good. For a time the lie worked, as criminal activity in Gotham City was crushed under the weight of the anti-crime Dent Act.

But everything will change with the arrival of a cunning cat burglar with a mysterious agenda. Far more dangerous, however, is the emergence of Bane, a masked terrorist whose ruthless plans for Gotham drive Bruce out of his self-imposed exile. But even if he dons the cape and cowl again, Batman may be no match for Bane.

Leading an all-star international cast, Oscar winner Christian Bale ("The Fighter") again plays the dual role of Bruce Wayne/Batman. "The Dark Knight Rises" also stars Anne Hathaway, as Selina Kyle; Tom Hardy, as Bane; Oscar winner Marion Cotillard ("La Vie en Rose"), as Miranda Tate; and Joseph Gordon-Levitt, as John Blake.

Returning to the main cast, Oscar winner Michael Caine ("The Cider House Rules") plays Alfred; Gary Oldman is Commissioner Gordon; and Oscar winner Morgan Freeman ("Million Dollar Baby") reprises the role of Lucius Fox.

The screenplay is written by Christopher Nolan and Jonathan Nolan, story by Christopher Nolan & David S. Goyer. The film is produced by Emma Thomas, Christopher Nolan and Charles Roven, who previously teamed on "Batman Begins" and the record-breaking blockbuster "The Dark Knight." The executive producers are Benjamin Melniker, Michael E. Uslan, Kevin De La Noy and Thomas Tull, with Jordan Goldberg serving as co-producer. The film is based upon characters appearing in comic books published by DC Comics. Batman was created by Bob Kane.

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Just finished with Batman Begins as the first leg of the trilogy marathon.

100x better on the big screen...again!
 

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Just returned home from the marathon viewing--watched all three, and my back is killing me! All I can say is...meh...it was so-so, and definitely the weakest of the bunch. Worth the price of admission, for sure. Some really, really cool stuff in there, but so many plot holes and some crap that brings it down. I don't want to ruin anything, so I'll go directly to spoilers.

Okay, so, how much of an idiot (or group of idiots) is the writer? FIFTY EFFING SIX MILE BLAST RADIUS, PEOPLE!!! That means everyone within the area is DEAD. The city didn't get saved, the metro area didn't get saved, and half of the premise of the movie is shot to hell. Ugh! I guess that bothered me more than I thought at the time. The problem is that they hammered the point, and based so much of the movie on this.

The plot was incredible, as were the effects. The way Gotham was taken--intense! And to go all French revolution, yeah, that was fun too. And Crane sitting as judge! Classic. The kid actor I really like--it's 3:30, can't remember his name, and am not looking it up--he was really solid in this. Just cements his place as the next big star that can actually act, IMO. He managed to pull off just about the only cool way to introduce Robin, and just about the only way to make a believable and cool Robin to boot.

Hathaway? Should have stayed far, far away from this flick, at least the way her character was written. You don't get to be ******* the whole movie, never learning from your stupid mistakes, and then suddenly--ta da!--become a trusted friend and have an amazing turnaround. Her character arc had a sharp point at the top, because there was no arc. And the sudden romance at the end, with that really stupid kiss, was embarrassingly bad. Man, did they mess that part up.

I really loved the twist, though. I had no idea--none--that it was coming. I felt like the knife was sliding into my back at that moment. Really well done. We needed more screen time with the female villain, but the betrayal was excellent.

All in all, it had the feel of a third wheel in the trilogy. Usually the 2nd movie is the weakest, but man, this trilogy follows Star Wars: Best one 2nd, 2nd best one 1st, and the worst for last. TDK was just incredible, even though the voice was still THAT annoying when I watched it again. Batman Begins comes in as a clear second, and really stood up to how good I thought it was the first time I saw it. The third one? Too many holes for me. Oh well. I wasn't expecting another TDK, so I wasn't let down. All in all, an average, good, popcorn movie (yes, that's a jab at our Hollywood muckety mucks that refuse to follow standard definitions of popcorn movies :D ). I think Avengers is so much better that they don't even compare.

Oh, and the voices? Yeah, the voice really screwed up the movie, but not Batman's. Yeah, it was bad, but bearable, and not nearly as bad as in TDK. Bane? He sounded like a drunk Sean Connery, and not in a good way. I mean, that was waaaay bad.
 

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Getting ready to ditch work early today to go take my boy. Will post my thoughts after.
 

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Wonder if last night's events will cast a pall over TDK's eventual box office.

wondered the same thing, but just read Deadline and apparently sales are still ridiculous so far on the east coast... and there were already over 30 million in pre-sales for the weekend just leading up to today and those will count no matter what.

this won't break all-time records tho IMO. Without 3D, it won't have that extra 3 dollar boost per ticket that the Avengers did and it's run-time is about 30 minutes more. But it'll probably come in numero dos.
 

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The honchos at Warners are meeting this morning.

They're deciding if they should pull it from release for a while.

The Paris premier has been cancelled along with all media events with the actors.
 

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The honchos at Warners are meeting this morning.

They're deciding if they should pull it from release for a while.

there's no way in hell they pull the actual movie. They did pull a trailer that played before it where... unbelievably... someone goes into a theater and starts shooting up the place.
 

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Saw all 3 last night. This one was definitely the weakest of the 3, but it was still great, imo.
 

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there's no way in hell they pull the actual movie. They did pull a trailer that played before it where... unbelievably... someone goes into a theater and starts shooting up the place.

TMZ is saying they won't pull it but Warner Bros has put out the word that the stars are not to issue statements or discuss it. Harvey Levin alluded that included talks with TMZ (which is owned by Warners) about how they would cover the story.
 

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TMZ is saying they won't pull it but Warner Bros has put out the word that the stars are not to issue statements or discuss it. Harvey Levin alluded that included talks with TMZ (which is owned by Warners) about how they would cover the story.

apparently, they're working overtime right now to keep the fact that the guy who shot everyone was actually dressed like the Joker. could be fiction, but that's the word going around Hell A right now.
 

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there's no way in hell they pull the actual movie. They did pull a trailer that played before it where... unbelievably... someone goes into a theater and starts shooting up the place.

Not in the movie theatre I just saw it in. They had that trailer in there, I couldn't believe it there was almost an audible too soon? Groan from the audience. I felt uneasy watching that trailer although that does look really good with an awesome cast.

As for TDKR, it was good. Definitely no where near as good as TDK. I didn't see Batman Begins so I don't know how this ranks up with that. I like Anne Hathaway , but hated Catwoman. The character was weak. It was very good, and long like TDK. It's pretty dark, but not as twisted as TDK was. Even though TDKR was well worth the admission, I still say The Avengers is the best movie I have seen so far this summer. That movie was a lot of fun.
 

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Alright, alright, alright! I didn't know there would be a test.

First, this isn't Avengers. Don't expect a popcorn movie here.

Secondly, watch the other two Nolan Batman movies first if you can. If you can't, at least watch Batman Begins (BB) before screening Dark Knight Rises (DKR) as it really ties into the events of BB more so than The Dark Knight (TDK).

Keeping a lower expectation is a good idea entering the auditorium. I can see how DKR would be disappointing if your expectation was that it would equal TDK. TDK is Nolan's magnum opus, so do not expect DKR to be another TDK. If you want to draw an analogy to another Nolan film, DKR would be more along the lines of Inception.

Let me reiterate: DKR isn't TDK.

They are polar opposites in pace and purpose. To put it succinctly: as much as the mood TDK was about constant tension...punch-counter punch, DKR is about anticipation...the calm before the inevitable storm. TDK takes you by the scruff of the neck, leans in to look you straight in the eye, and tells you "You're coming with me!". It's a tension filled character study of freewill and morality. DKR, on the other hand, is a slow boil. It's purpose is to tell the story of the end to the Batman storyline established by Nolan.

It's three acts play out as:

1. Updating the setting (it's set 8 years after the events in TDK)-this is appropriately the slowest portion of the film
2. Setup-things start ramping up a bit, still slow but entertaining
3. Payoff!-BLAMMO!

And oh boy, what a payoff it was. The last hour (I'm estimating here, it could have been 45 minutes) is a power keg, and makes the film worth the price of admission to even the most jaded of mindless Transformers Michael Bay-splotions fanboys.

Tom Hardy does his best as Bane, but his character never really intimidated me. Whenever he was on the screen, I had to remind myself "Oh yeah, this dude is supposed to be scary."

Hardy is handicapped in this role due to the fact that 2/3 of his face is covered up by that ventilator mask he wears, and he's about 4 inches shorter than everyone else on screen. Don't get me wrong, I think Hardy is an excellent actor who is able to bring a lot of dangerous charm and menacingly quiet rage to his roles. I didn't see that here. I can't help but think they would have been better served going with a luchador mask.

Bane's voice is the biggest problem I had with the film. No, not for his accent, but for the voice dubbing! It was atrocious...far and beyond worse than Bale's Batman voicing in TDK. I understood maybe 2/3 of what Bane said. It sounded like Hardy had his head in a bucket whenever he spoke.

Bane's character does prove to be the complete antithesis to the Joker, however, as far as antagonists go. Bane was patient, cold, calculating, and cruel with a genuine purpose. It's a perfect fit, in my mind, for the pace of DKR.

I was surprised by Anne Hathaway. She did quite well as Selena Kyle. I won't call her Catwoman, because that nickname never came up in the film. I am not a fan of Anne Hathaway's work, but I really liked her in this film.

Joesph Gordon-Levitt does an excellent job as Officer Blake. I'm really happy with the treatment Nolan gave his character.

I have to add that as much as I liked this film, I feel as though a lot of the film was ruined by my familiarity with both Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns" and the "Knightfall" series of comics. During the movie, there were a lot of foregone conclusions for me and it kind of felt like a paint-by-numbers treatment of those expected (yet necessary) events. Of the two major twists at the end of the film, one of them I saw coming from a mile away. The other was more like guessing on a multiple choice test than a surprise twist, as it could have gone 4 different ways and my interest was in finding out which direction Nolan would go. These are things a casual fan wouldn't catch, but I did.

I would give The Dark Knight Rises 4 out of 5 stars. For reference I would rate Batman Begins 4 out of 5 stars and The Dark Knight 6 out of 5 stars.

I will save my comments regarding specifics of the film, the accursed plot-holes, et al, for later.
 

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Alright, alright, alright! I didn't know there would be a test.

First, this isn't Avengers. Don't expect a popcorn movie here.

Secondly, watch the other two Nolan Batman movies first if you can. If you can't, at least watch Batman Begins (BB) before screening Dark Knight Rises (DKR) as it really ties into the events of BB more so than The Dark Knight (TDK).

Keeping a lower expectation is a good idea entering the auditorium. I can see how DKR would be disappointing if your expectation was that it would equal TDK. TDK is Nolan's magnum opus, so do not expect DKR to be another TDK. If you want to draw an analogy to another Nolan film, DKR would be more along the lines of Inception.

that's fine with me. Considering TDK is one of my favorite movies ever made, I'm not expecting this to match that level. That's simply to high a level for a director to achieve over and over again. That being said, I thought Inception was awesome, so if it's at the level of story/filmmaking, I'll happy like a pig in slop tomorrow.
 

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just caught the last 20 minutes of TDK on TNT. Man, there was no way he was ever gonna top that ****. I just hope DKR is a solid ending to a great story. 3rd acts are notoriously hard to stick the landing in a single movie, but in a trilogy it's damn near impossible. The only one that bested the first two movies in a trilogy was ROTK in the LOTR series. I don't expect this to be at that level, but still excited to see it.

as if that wasn't evident by my 8 posts on this thread today.
 

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How was the security at the theaters? I'm planning on seeing this Sunday.

I saw it yesterday at midnight, so no security for my screening. My son works at a theater, and their security upgrade is to have additional associates to check the exit doors, and ensure that no one comes through them.
 

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I think you're giving this movie way too many kudos, Ken. It was a 3 out of 5 stars for me. Catwoman sucked, and Hathaway either wasn't good or didn't have a well-written character; she had NO arc.
 

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I think you're giving this movie way too many kudos, Ken. It was a 3 out of 5 stars for me. Catwoman sucked, and Hathaway either wasn't good or didn't have a well-written character; she had NO arc.

Probably. Only time, and additional viewings, will tell if my initial reaction stands further introspective scrutiny.

I don't think it's a secret, but I'm a Batman fanboy and a Nolan fanboy. Hell, I can watch one of the Schumacher Batman movies and appreciate it for the camp that it is.

To say that Selena Kyle's character is incomplete is valid. She doesn't have a complete character arc. When looking at the entire story of DKR I get the feeling that when there were gaps in the plot (not plot-holes mind you, like I said, I'll got to those later) her character was used as a catalyst to progress the storyline, a dues ex machina if you will.

However, I feel that Hathaway does a smash-bang job with the scenes that she has, and those scenes do drive the story. Whether my opinion comes from the fact that she did do well, or from the fact that I never gave her appropriate credit for her acting ability to start with, I cannot say.
 

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