The DARKSIDE says Warner is DONE!

[conraddobler]

I don't think Warner is done yet, he has a few games to right the ship, if we're 0 and 3 and he's playing like he did today to me it's a no brainer switch.

Not even saying it's permanent, Matt could also fall flat on his face but the Warner of today isn't what we signed up for and there would be no reason to sit a guy like Matt for today's Warner.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Guys,

Like or dislike Warner, lets debate the topic not the posters.

 

[SunsTzu]

Amare Stoudemire, Eric Byrnes, Kurt Warner...our superstars :-/

One of these things is not like the others.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Please...to blame this one 100% on Warner is completely ridiculous. Did he play like crap? Sure, but his line was horrible, the play calling was atrocious, and the defense caved at the worst time after playing great all game. That doesn't even begin to address the 10+ mostly stupid penalties that killed multiple drives and the drops by the receivers as well.

This was a complete team effort, and unfortunately it was the same dazed "sleep walking" effort that we saw all preseason.The only real consolation is that we played like absolute crap and still had multiple chances to win the game.

 

[Nasser22]

One of these things is not like the others.

I'm talking about injuries right after. Amare has performed well at times, but his attitude and lack of effort on the other side of the ball make me just as angry.

The Cardinals season is what I've been looking forward to. I don't even want to think of an 0-3 start. Take care of business next week and carry the momentum home! This is a great team we have so I sure hope that he's not finished.

 

[Nasser22]

Please...to blame this one 100% on Warner is completely ridiculous. Did he play like crap? Sure, but his line was horrible, the play calling was atrocious, and the defense caved at the worst time after playing great all game. That doesn't even begin to address the 10+ mostly stupid penalties that killed multiple drives and the drops by the receivers as well.

This was a complete team effort, and unfortunately it was the same dazed "sleep walking" effort that we saw all preseason.The only real consolation is that we played like absolute crap and still had multiple chances to win the game.

Agreed, with all the penalties this team was playing like the Dennis Green-led Cardinals. I only hear Whiz talk about discipline. Let's see it.

 

[SunsTzu]

I'm talking about injuries right after. Amare has performed well at times, but his attitude and lack of effort on the other side of the ball make me just as angry.

The Cardinals season is what I've been looking forward to. I don't even want to think of an 0-3 start. Take care of business next week and carry the momentum home! This is a great team we have so I sure hope that he's not finished.

I was talking about Byrnes.

Back to the topic, I agree that Warner looks done but he looked that way at times last year too. I just wish he wasn't re-signed for the amount they gave him and there was more of an open competition for the starting QB spot.

 

[Assface]

Back to the topic, I agree that Warner looks done but he looked that way at times last year too. I just wish he wasn't re-signed for the amount they gave him and there was more of an open competition for the starting QB spot.

The thing about Warner is that every year he's good for a game or two where he throws 5 picks and looks horrible. However, those games would be sandwiched between a string of games where he played like an MVP. It always has been a matter of "just one bad game" with him. What's disturbing is that he didn't look good in the 4 preseason games and again today. He just hasn't been the same this year. He's been a savior and a bum but one thing Kurt has never been is average, which is what we've seen from him lately.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

You have been here less than a year. The one and only reason you are is because of Warner.

False. I found these forums through another forum. If I would have known about it earlier, I would have signed up then. Warner is my favorite player, but I was a Cardinals fans ever since they moved to Phoenix and will be after he retires. We just disagree on which QB gives the Cardinals the best chance to win. No need to attack me just because we disagree.

Kurt Warner is not the ARIZONA CARDINALS!

Agreed, but he is on the Arizona Cardinals whether you like it or not.

That's who I support, The Arizona Cardinals.
Not just Kurt Warner!
Can you say the same Iowa Warner Fan?

Yes I can. I'm also certain things will be better for the Cardinals next week.

 

[O]

False. I found these forums through another forum. If I would have known about it earlier, I would have signed up then. Warner is my favorite player, but I was a Cardinals fans ever since they moved to Phoenix and will be after he retires. We just disagree on which QB gives the Cardinals the best chance to win. No need to attack me just because we disagree.


Agreed, but he is on the Arizona Cardinals whether you like it or not.


Yes I can. I'm also certain things will be better for the Cardinals next week.

Whatever you say Warnerphile.

 

[lauraw]

People, we are attacking each other way too much on this thread; true fault lies at everyone's feet except the Cards starting Defense, who at least came ready to play.

 

[clif]

We should have taken the Green Bay approach. Two years ago those guys were in the NFC championship game and were one stupid pass away from the Super Bowl so they let their Hall of Fame QB go because they knew he couldn't do much more. It was a huge gamble, but now look at them. So what do the Cards do in the same situation? They overpay a guy BEFORE he gets hip surgery at 38 years old. Meanwhile another year and we still don't know what we got in Leinart.

 

[O]

We should have taken the Green Bay approach. Two years ago those guys were in the NFC championship game and were one stupid pass away from the Super Bowl so they let their Hall of Fame QB go because they knew he couldn't do much more. It was a huge gamble, but now look at them. So what do the Cards do in the same situation? They overpay a guy BEFORE he gets hip surgery at 38 years old. Meanwhile another year and we still don't know what we got in Leinart.

BOOM!
We have a winner!

 

[CtCardinals78]

People, we are attacking each other way too much on this thread; true fault lies at everyone's feet except the Cards starting Defense, who at least came ready to play.

You think it's bad here you should see the "official" MB.

 

[conraddobler]

We should have taken the Green Bay approach. Two years ago those guys were in the NFC championship game and were one stupid pass away from the Super Bowl so they let their Hall of Fame QB go because they knew he couldn't do much more. It was a huge gamble, but now look at them. So what do the Cards do in the same situation? They overpay a guy BEFORE he gets hip surgery at 38 years old. Meanwhile another year and we still don't know what we got in Leinart.

Yup, that's it.

Good organizations don't do PR work with their roster, they're paid to make hard decisions all the time, it's a what have you done for me lately league.

Sitting Matt paying him what we do is stupid to an extent, it made sense last year, this year it's looking like it's making a lot less sense.

 

[chickenhead]

Going back to earlier comments, I'm not saying Leinart should have started, I think it's absolutely realistic to think he would have done better today. This is how the first half possessions ended:

Punt
Int
Punt (3-and-out)
FG
Punt (3-and-out)
Punt (3-and-out)
Int
Halftime

The first down in the first possession was the result of a SF penalty, and the two drives that ended with interceptions took only 4 plays between them. Warner had no mobility (likely due to injury), held onto the ball, and forced throws. To expect that Leinart would have as bad a first half is quite literally to have no expectations of him whatsoever.

 

[moklerman]

We should have taken the Green Bay approach. Two years ago those guys were in the NFC championship game and were one stupid pass away from the Super Bowl so they let their Hall of Fame QB go because they knew he couldn't do much more. It was a huge gamble, but now look at them. So what do the Cards do in the same situation? They overpay a guy BEFORE he gets hip surgery at 38 years old. Meanwhile another year and we still don't know what we got in Leinart.

I don't know if Green Bay is good example. They went from the championship game to 6 wins in one offseason. Squeaking out a win against a team that turned it over 4+ times isn't evidence of anything to me.

 

[Assface]

I don't know if Green Bay is good example. They went from the championship game to 6 wins in one offseason. Squeaking out a win against a team that turned it over 4+ times isn't evidence of anything to me.

That was entirely due to their defense. The offense, specifically QB, was just as good as the year before.

 

[cardpa]

Yup. No way do you give a 38 year old QB that type of $$$ regardless of what he did. What pisses me off more is they took care of Warner for one good season, yet drag thier feet with Dansby, Q and to a lesser extent Dockett. If they lose any of those guys this offseason because they overpaid a bloated contract to Warner and have no cash to take care of those three I will be freaking rip sh-t.

I have got to agree with this.

 

[moklerman]

That was entirely due to their defense. The offense, specifically QB, was just as good as the year before.

True, but the point being made was how their move was best for the team. It may turn out to be in the long run but their choice to switch QB's didn't seem to impact their salary cap in a way to make their team better in other areas which is what has been suggested the Card's might have done if they mimicked the Packers.

I agree that if Leinart could come in and duplicate(at least) what Warner did in '07 & '08 that it would be much better for the Card's salary cap to have only Leinart being paid right now. But I also feel the team is in a much better place having Warner & Leinart as opposed to Leinart and BSP so it's hard to say what would be the best overall situation.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

This loss is on Warner 100%!

You cannot even begin to justify it otherwise, don't even try!

Come to the DARKSIDE!
Embrace it.

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I'll never join you.

With that being said, even tho I will stay an optimist, I think a Darksiders meeting should be called. To at least discuss, that impending doom, may occur.

Quick someone call Alan Greenspan.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I was in the camp that the Cards should never have tried to re-sign Warner when he went to SF. The should have let the 9ers sign him. But since the Cards caved to that ridiculous contract, they have to let him start. He should be on a VERY SHORT leash though and if he continues to play like he has all four preason games and tonday and the Cards are 0-3 after the Colts game (I don't believe they will be), then Wiz seriously needs to consider starting the Leinart era for good. No more duel QB crap. Make Leinart the starter so they can see what they have. There are some good QB's coming out this year.

Even though Warner looks bad now, and even if he never recovers, I still think the Cardinals made the right move by re-signing Warner. The window is closing on the era of pass heavy, high priced WR, and explosive offense. Warner got the team within a play of the Super Bowl, and even at this highest peak threw an INT that may have cost us the SB.

You gotta take the good with the bad, and realize that every contract is a gamble.

I cannot blame the Cardinals front office for re-signing Warner. Warner got us to the Super Bowl, and has played at an All-Pro level.

If Warner isn't playing well, then it falls on Warner's shoulders. Warner is the guy that strong armed the Cardinals, and played hard ball to get a lucrative contract, Warner is the one play "tough guy" about how his him feels, and Warner is the guy who is responsible for being the leader, and star that drives our offense and passing game. Kurt is no longer the underdog story, and no longer has his "back-up contract" or status.

Kurt is the front and center key stone of our offense and needs to be accountable for his new more in depth role, and start performing up to expectation of the front office, team, coaches, and fans.

There is no two ways about.

I am not writing this to damn the guy, just to sort out that this is NOT because of a bad decision by the front office. The re-signing of Warner made sense.

Not to mention at anytime Mr. Hyde could turn back to Dr. Jekyll and get back to his pro bowl form.

 

[ARZCardinals]

Leinart got benched in Oakland for TURNOVERS....Warner has been HORRIBLE with ball security. He looks EXACTLY like he did 2 years ago...sitting in the pocket too long and tossing two INT's, locking onto receivers....I'm not calling for him to be replaced YET.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Leinart got benched in Oakland for TURNOVERS....Warner has been HORRIBLE with ball security. He looks EXACTLY like he did 2 years ago...sitting in the pocket too long and tossing two INT's, locking onto receivers....I'm not calling for him to be replaced YET.

I'm not even a darksider, but I was way ahead of O on this one.

It was great seeing you yesterday O.

 

[O]

It was great seeing you yesterday O.

Ditto.