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MaoTosiFanClub said:
There's a big difference bedtween overpaying for a couple guys and what you mentioned. Garland just finished 6th in the Al in Cy Young voting and makes peanuts while Anderson and McCarthy are two of the best prospects in baseball. This trade scenario is a complete pipe dream.

Amen to that.

Look, we all have to be realistic about possible trades. Pipe dreams are nice, but never happen (unless dealing with Joe Jr.).

Vazquez is just a #3 starter that makes #1 type money. End of debate. We will not get too much for him, except for a possible good prospect and a middle of the rotation pitcher.
 

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overseascardfan said:
Trade them to Tampa for Crawford, Kazmir, and Niemman


As much as I'd LOVE this deal, no way in hell Tampa trades Kazmir AND Neimann. Not when they're pitching thin. Let alone Carl Crawford.

Maybe a Gaithright, Houser, Pridie and Seddon for Glaus and Vazquez.
 
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coyoteshockeyfan said:
Vazquez has submitted his list of six teams he will not be traded to. Seattle, Philly, and Texas are among them.

http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com...t_id=1270352&vkey=news_ari&fext=.jsp&c_id=ari

Wouldnt this qualify as the BIGGEST "DUH" information ever? Wouldnt you think that Seattle and Texas would have been initially eliminated in the first place since both are still on the West Coast? So, through other deductive reasoning, I guess the other 3 would possibly include the Rockies, Astros, and all the CA teams for that matter? I thought that list would include 5 East Coast teams that Vazquez would refuse to report to? Anyways.... I expect him to be playing either in Boston, Florida, or possibly the Chicago Cubs, but dont envision him going to the Mets since he failed miserably the last time he pitched in the Big Apple.... Perhaps the Nationals might be another logical choice since they may have some prospects of merit to give the Dbacks in return....
 

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I just saw a rumor on Fox Sports that the Marlins are close to trading Beckett and Lowell to the Rangers for Blalock and a pitching prospect. Did Blalock sign a new deal or is he still playng under his first contract?
 

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overseascardfan said:
I just saw a rumor on Fox Sports that the Marlins are close to trading Beckett and Lowell to the Rangers for Blalock and a pitching prospect. Did Blalock sign a new deal or is he still playng under his first contract?

He's making 850,000 so I'm assuming he's still in his rookie deal.

What do you guys think of this deal? Beckett has huge potential, but is so sporatic it's unreal while Lowell seems to be on the downside. Meanwhile, Blalock is easily a top 5 3B and both Diamond and Danks have HUGE upside.

I think the Marlins win on this deal.
 

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I def think the Marlins have the better side of this trade. Lowell is an absolute mess and Beckett is ALWAYS hurt. His recurring blister problems are a huge problem. He has seen all the top hand specialist and they still cant get it solved. Plus, he's making a lot of money. Blalock has proved that he is a major league 3rd baseman. He had close to a 100 RBIs last year and is only 24. The Marlins used their first 6 picks in last years draft on starting pitchers and could add to that with Diamond.....
 

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Snake said:
He's making 850,000 so I'm assuming he's still in his rookie deal.

What do you guys think of this deal? Beckett has huge potential, but is so sporatic it's unreal while Lowell seems to be on the downside. Meanwhile, Blalock is easily a top 5 3B and both Diamond and Danks have HUGE upside.

I think the Marlins win on this deal.

I think the Marlins got the better deal due to these factors:

The Rangers have to get Beckett to sign an extension which could be expensive

The Marlins can move Cabrera to CF and trade Pierre and put Hermida in RF.

Plus they get two pretty good pitchers

The only downside is that they really don't have a replacement for Beckett right now to team up w/ D-Train. Maybe it opens up a possibility for Vazquez.
 

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overseascardfan said:
I think the Marlins got the better deal due to these factors:

The Rangers have to get Beckett to sign an extension which could be expensive

The Marlins can move Cabrera to CF and trade Pierre and put Hermida in RF.

Plus they get two pretty good pitchers

The only downside is that they really don't have a replacement for Beckett right now to team up w/ D-Train. Maybe it opens up a possibility for Vazquez.

That option never crossed my mind. However, thinking about it, Vazquez now IS a real possibility for the Marlins if the deal goes through. There's no way Florida can afford to lose AJ Burnett AND Josh Beckett in the same post-season without getting some kind of replacement. I think that Scott Olson can step in full time as a starter, however I can't see them getting anywhere without another vet starter to off-set the youth (and Willis).
 

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overseascardfan said:
I think the Marlins got the better deal due to these factors:

The Rangers have to get Beckett to sign an extension which could be expensive

The Marlins can move Cabrera to CF and trade Pierre and put Hermida in RF.

Plus they get two pretty good pitchers

The only downside is that they really don't have a replacement for Beckett right now to team up w/ D-Train. Maybe it opens up a possibility for Vazquez.

Their losing Becket and Burnett so Javy would be a good fit for them. Since Javy's making 12 mill, we might have to eat some of that salary if we do a deal with them. I know alot of people dont agree with me on this but I would LOVE to see us bring in Pierre on a deal for Javy. Their trying to trade Delgado also so it looks like the Marlins are going in the dumps. However, if their getting rid of Beckett, Lowell, and Delgado they might hang onto Pierre as he doesnt make a lot of money compared to them.
 

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"..And in this corner.."

What are you guys talking about, again?????????????? How any of you relegate ROOKIE Brad Halsey to a middle relief guy and say Fat-Boy Ortiz is a 1-5 starter, you're smoking your grandma's shoes again!! :biglaugh: Many announcers from the teams we played when Halsey pitched[ie Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati[Rose should only get in the Hall of Fame Posthumously!!]
Chicago.. all said when Halsey pitched that he pitched "beyond his years" and he could turn out to be a great young pitcher to team up with Brandon Webb.. I beleve in equal opportunity, so maybe Russ Ortiz can be a Janitor at the new Ballpark and watch the pros pitch.. :thud:
 

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Halsey is going to be good but we need another pitcher if we deal Javier, even the front office acknowledges that. Pierre is under contract through next year but will be a high profile free agent and command some dough. I think that since Florida is dumping salary they might try to include Lo Duca in any deal we offer them, so if we got Pierre then they might insist that we take Lo Duca to absorb some of Javy's salary.
 

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I would think if the Marlins are looking to trade Beckett and aren't bringing Burnett back then they probably don't want to take Javy and his salary.
 

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The Marlins got hosed on this deal.

Blalock's last three years OPS playing in an extreme hitter's park

2003 - 872
2004 - 855
2005 - 749

Absorbing Lowell's contract is pretty bad, but when Beckett is healthy, he's easily one of the top 10 pitches in baseball. And we all know the Rangers desperately need pitching while their offense will continue to put up runs even without Blalock.
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
The Marlins got hosed on this deal.

Blalock's last three years OPS playing in an extreme hitter's park

2003 - 872
2004 - 855
2005 - 749

Absorbing Lowell's contract is pretty bad, but when Beckett is healthy, he's easily one of the top 10 pitches in baseball. And we all know the Rangers desperately need pitching while their offense will continue to put up runs even without Blalock.

Is it official? I didn't think it was, but their thought process was saving money by dumping Lowell and Beckett. If I am not mistaken, Beckett is a free agent after this up coming season. In that case, they might as well get something for him while they can, since the Marlins cannot keep any talent, and trade him before the deadline because of the probablity that he will be hurt.

So their thinking is logical, it is just a shame that they cannot spend any sort of money.
 

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CronosCard said:
Ortiz is a 1-5 starter, you're smoking your grandma's shoes again!! :biglaugh: ... so maybe Russ Ortiz can be a Janitor at the new Ballpark and watch the pros pitch.. :thud:

:biglaugh: <sigh> good stuff.
 

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CronosCard said:
What are you guys talking about, again?????????????? How any of you relegate ROOKIE Brad Halsey to a middle relief guy and say Fat-Boy Ortiz is a 1-5 starter, you're smoking your grandma's shoes again!! :biglaugh: Many announcers from the teams we played when Halsey pitched[ie Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati[Rose should only get in the Hall of Fame Posthumously!!]
Chicago.. all said when Halsey pitched that he pitched "beyond his years" and he could turn out to be a great young pitcher to team up with Brandon Webb.. I beleve in equal opportunity, so maybe Russ Ortiz can be a Janitor at the new Ballpark and watch the pros pitch.. :thud:

Halsey was one of the bright spots for us last year. He had is rough stretches, but overall I thought he def solidified is spot in our rotation. Ortiz sucks, no way around it. He should start the year in the bullpen and have to work his way back in the rotation. What a horrible signing.
 

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The Red Sox and Dodgers now appear to be the front runners in the Josh Beckett sweepstakes.

Why this affects Arizona? In the Boston side, several players rumored to be sent our way in a potential Troy Glaus deal would be sent to Florida instead and the Dodgers, well obvious reasons there.

Contrary to numerous reports, the Texas Rangers aren't the leading contender to land Marlins starter Josh Beckett in a package deal with third baseman Mike Lowell.

According to baseball officials who have been in contact with Florida, the Marlins have two other potential deals -- with Boston and an unnamed "mystery" team -- that team officials find more appealing than Texas' offer of third baseman Hank Blalock and one of the Rangers' two top pitching prospects, either Thomas Diamond or John Danks.

The Red Sox, according to sources, have offered Florida highly coveted shortstop prospect Hanley Ramirez, who would become the immediate starter in Miami, plus a choice of two Grade A pitching prospects -- left-hander Jon Lester or right-hander Anibel Sanchez.

No officials involved in the talks would confirm the identity of the mystery team. But an executive of another club said Monday he believes that other team to be the Dodgers.

The Marlins, the executive said, extensively scouted the Dodgers' double-A team in Jacksonville -- and Florida is said to like a number of that team's best pitchers. That group of pitchers includes former No. 1 picks Chad Billingsley and Justin Orenduff, as well as 240-pound smokeballer Jonathon Broxton. Because of their vacancy at shortstop, the Marlins also would be likely to have interest in the Dodgers' much-hyped double-A shortstop, Joel Guzman.

However, none of this means the potential deal with Texas is dead. It's now believed, though, that Florida has asked the Rangers to expand their deal even further, to include hot shortstop prospect Joaquin Arias, along with Blalock and a pitcher. In return, the Rangers would want a second pitcher back -- possibly setup man Guillermo Mota.

The Marlins, if that deal were completed, then would turn around and trade Blalock, who would block Miguel Cabrera's return to third base if Florida kept him. Teams known to be interested in Blalock include the Twins, Phillies and Devil Rays.

The Angels at one point were involved in the bidding on Beckett, but since have dropped out, according to one source. Still alive, but running behind the other bidders, is Detroit.

According to an official of one club involved in this derby, "nothing is close -- not to the point where someone could say, 'If you put this guy in, it's a done deal.' The names are still being exchanged."
 

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Espn just reported that the Marlins and Red Sox have come to tentative agreement on a trade that would send Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell to the bosox for shortstop Hanley Ramirez, right-handed prospect Anibal Sanchez and a minor leaguer pitcher.
 

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I read the same article. I thought for a second that we might have been the "mystery team." But it wouldnt make any sense. LA has to be the front runner. The Marlins really want some of their prospects and desperately need a 3B, even if it meens taking on Lowell. It looks like the Glaus trade is done so LA is running out of options at 3rd. They could also use som SP and Beckett could obviously do that. It scared me for a second, but I came to my senses
 

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Here's the artical
Red Sox on verge of acquiring Beckett, Lowell

By Peter Gammons and Jayson Stark
ESPN.com






The Red Sox and Marlins have come to a tentative agreement on a trade that would send Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell to Boston for shortstop Hanley Ramirez, right-handed prospect Anibal Sanchez and a minor leaguer pitcher.



The deal is contingent on the finalization of paperwork and all players passing physicals, sources outside the Red Sox organization have told ESPN's Peter Gammons. An official announcement is not expected for a day or two, which leaves open the possibility that it could still fall apart, Gammons said on SportsCenter.

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Profile2005 SEASON STATISTICSOnly some last-minute haggling over dollars appeared to be holding up the deal, a baseball official with knowledge of the discussions told ESPN.com's Jayson Stark. Florida would include cash in the trade to offset some of the $18 million owed to Lowell over the next two seasons. In return, the Red Sox would give up Ramirez, their much-ballyhooed shortstop prospect and Sanchez. The Marlins originally had targeted left-hander Jon Lester, but Boston balked at including him in the trade, so the Red Sox agreed to add a second minor leaguer if Florida took Sanchez instead.



Over the weekend the Texas Rangers were considered the frontrunner to land Beckett, the MVP of the 2003 World Series. The Rangers were offering third baseman Hank Blalock and one of their two top pitching prospects, either Thomas Diamond or John Danks, for Beckett.

"In the end, a deal wasn't there," Rangers general manager Jon Daniels told The Dallas Morning News.

Before Texas was told it was eliminated from the running, Florida asked the Rangers to expand their deal even further, to include hot shortstop prospect Joaquin Arias, along with Blalock and a pitcher. In return, the Rangers would want a second pitcher back -- possibly setup man Guillermo Mota.

The Marlins, if that deal would have been completed, then would turn around and trade Blalock, who would block Miguel Cabrera's return to third base if Florida kept him. Teams known to be interested in Blalock include the Twins, Phillies and Devil Rays. The Angels and Tigers also were involved in the bidding on Beckett at one point.
 

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peterman said:
Espn just reported that the Marlins and Red Sox have come to tentative agreement on a trade that would send Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell to the bosox for shortstop Hanley Ramirez, right-handed prospect Anibal Sanchez and a minor leaguer pitcher.

Wow, I guess they can afford to gamble on Lowell. They obviously wanted Beckett to bolster their satff and had to take on Lowell. Ramirez isn't a big loss for Boston because Renteria is there for at least 3 more years and SS prospect Dustin Pedroia is tearing through the minors. Pretty good trade for Boston if Becketts blisters stay away
 

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