The Dbacks offseason thread

[boondockdrunk]

"2002 first-round pick Sergio Santos is expected to be the prospect included in the Troy Glaus deal with the Blue Jays.
That makes a lot of sense, as the Diamondbacks want to commit at Chad Tracy at third base and also have Stephen Drew, and hopefully Justin Upton, at shortstop. Santos hit just .239/.288/.367 in a disappointing first year in Triple-A, but he only turned 22 in July. He could become a quality regular after another year or two in the minors. "

No way. No fing way. I hate this deal. We can get so much more if we are looking to trade Santos!! Now if we don't get League in this deal I will personally go and burn down Brynes' new office. What a POS deal!

Also, there are other reports that state that Toronto might not be willing to pay Glaus' whole salary. If we send them Santos and Glaus for Hudson and Batista we better have two players to be named later who go by McGowan and League.

 

[HooverDam]

Glaus career batting average is .253!!!! TWO FIFTY THREE!!! He is not very good. Also, he isn't clutch, is injured a lot, and is a poor defender, Im glad to see him go. Like others have said, we are building for the future and clearing out money to sign young studs like Upton. This upcoming year will suck, but the future looks bright.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Good trade. These moves all see a clear direction, something Joe G's rarely did. Byrnes recognizes the strength of the team is in the farm system, and is building a nice foundation for them, ala the Indians.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

First, the argument of what the Dbacks get exchange for Glaus compared to what their respective teams net for Manny Ramirez and Miguel Tejada is an extremely invalid one.... Let's compare their output for the past few seasons, shall we?:

Troy Glaus:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/glaustr01.shtml

Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG   TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 1998 21 ANA AL  48  165   19   36   9  0   1   23   1  0  15  51  .218  .280  .291   48   0   2   0   0   3
 1999 22 ANA AL 154  551   85  132  29  0  29   79   5  1  71 143  .240  .331  .450  248   0   3   1   6   9
 2000 23 ANA AL 159  563  120  160  37  1  47  102  14 11 112 163  .284  .404  .604  340   0   1   6   2  14
 2001 24 ANA AL 161  588  100  147  38  2  41  108  10  3 107 158  .250  .367  .531  312   0   7   7   6  16
 2002 25 ANA AL 156  569   99  142  24  1  30  111  10  3  88 144  .250  .352  .453  258   0   8   4   6  12
 2003 26 ANA AL  91  319   53   79  17  2  16   50   7  2  46  73  .248  .343  .464  148   0   1   4   1   8
 2004 27 ANA AL  58  207   47   52  11  1  18   42   2  3  31  52  .251  .355  .575  119   0   1   3   3   6
 2005 28 ARI NL 149  538   78  139  29  1  37   97   4  2  84 145  .258  .363  .522  281   0   5   2   7   7
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 8 Seasons      976 3500  601  887 194  8 219  612  53 25 554 929  .253  .358  .501 1754   0  28  27  31  75
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 162 Game Avg        581  100  147  32  1  36  102   9  4  92 154  .253  .358  .501  291   0   5   4   5  12
 Career High    161  588  120  160  38  2  47  111  14 11 112 163  .284  .404  .604  340   0   8   7   7  16

Manny Ramriez:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ramirma02.shtml

Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG   TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 1993 21 CLE AL  22   53    5    9   1  0   2    5   0  0   2   8  .170  .200  .302   16   0   0   0   0   3
 1994 22 CLE AL  91  290   51   78  22  0  17   60   4  2  42  72  .269  .357  .521  151   0   4   4   0   6
 1995 23 CLE AL 137  484   85  149  26  1  31  107   6  6  75 112  .308  .402  .558  270   2   5   6   5  13
 1996 24 CLE AL 152  550   94  170  45  3  33  112   8  5  85 104  .309  .399  .582  320   0   9   8   3  18
 1997 25 CLE AL 150  561   99  184  40  0  26   88   2  3  79 115  .328  .415  .538  302   0   4   5   7  19
 1998 26 CLE AL 150  571  108  168  35  2  45  145   5  3  76 121  .294  .377  .599  342   0  10   6   6  18
 1999 27 CLE AL 147  522  131  174  34  3  44  165   2  4  96 131  .333  .442  .663  346   0   9   9  13  12
 2000 28 CLE AL 118  439   92  154  34  2  38  122   1  1  86 117  .351  .457  .697  306   0   4   9   3   9
 2001 29 BOS AL 142  529   93  162  33  2  41  125   0  1  81 147  .306  .405  .609  322   0   2  25   8   9
 2002 30 BOS AL 120  436   84  152  31  0  33  107   0  0  73  85  .349  .450  .647  282   0   1  14   8  13
 2003 31 BOS AL 154  569  117  185  36  1  37  104   3  1  97  94  .325  .427  .587  334   0   5  28   8  22
 2004 32 BOS AL 152  568  108  175  44  0  43  130   2  4  82 124  .308  .397  .613  348   0   7  15   6  17
 2005 33 BOS AL 152  554  112  162  30  1  45  144   1  0  80 119  .292  .388  .594  329   0   6   9  10  20
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 13 Seasons         6126      1922     15     1414     30    1349  .314  .409  .599        2  66 138  77 179
               1687      1179      411    435       34    954                       3668
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 162 Game Avg        588  113  185  39  1  42  136   3  3  92 130  .314  .409  .599  352   0   6  13   7  17
 Career High    154  571  131  185  45  3  45  165   8  6  97 147  .351  .457  .697  348   2  10  28  13  22

Miguel Tejada:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/tejadmi01.shtml

Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG   TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 1997 21 OAK AL  26   99   10   20   3  2   2   10   2  0   2  22  .202  .240  .333   33   0   0   0   3   3
 1998 22 OAK AL 105  365   53   85  20  1  11   45   5  6  28  86  .233  .298  .384  140   4   3   0   7   8
 1999 23 OAK AL 159  593   93  149  33  4  21   84   8  7  57  94  .251  .325  .427  253   9   5   3  10  11
 2000 24 OAK AL 160  607  105  167  32  1  30  115   6  0  66 102  .275  .349  .479  291   2   2   6   4  15
 2001 25 OAK AL 162  622  107  166  31  3  31  113  11  5  43  89  .267  .326  .476  296   1   4   5  13  14
 2002 26 OAK AL 162  662  108  204  30  0  34  131   7  2  38  84  .308  .354  .508  336   0   4   3  11  21
 2003 27 OAK AL 162  636   98  177  42  0  27  106  10  0  53  65  .278  .336  .472  300   0   8   7   6  12
 2004 28 BAL AL 162  653  107  203  40  2  34  150   4  1  48  73  .311  .360  .534  349   0  14   6  10  24
 2005 29 BAL AL 162  654   89  199  50  5  26   98   5  1  40  83  .304  .349  .515  337   0   3   8   7  26
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 9 Seasons     1260 4891  770 1370 281 18 216  852  58 22 375 698  .280  .338  .477 2335  16  43  38  71 134
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 162 Game Avg        629   99  176  36  2  28  110   7  3  48  90  .280  .338  .477  300   2   6   5   9  17
 Career High    162  662  108  204  50  5  34  150  11  7  66 102  .311  .360  .534  349   9  14   8  13  26

Also, let's take into account all the other player's accolades/accomplishments along with the fact that they're relatively more respectable defensively compared to Glaus (who the Blue Jays are debating whether or not if he's a liability at 3B).... Do you honestly beleive that another organization would give-up talent of the calibre you're requesting strictly for just Glaus? Absolutely not... They would immediately demand that the Dbacks would have to include Connor Jackson or Carlos Quentin in the deal.... Then, you ask about the short-solution in CF when Jeff DaVanon still could be had along with some other fairly decent and cheap stopgaps......

That all being said....I'm very mixed on this deal.... True, the Dbacks will finally clear 3B so Tracy could become the regular there...also clears-up more money to sign him a guaranteed long-term deal (which was rumored the Dbacks were in the middle of negotiations to solve that matter).... Also, it might free-up money to acquire some of the mid-tier starters that are available.... Hudson did show some power last season, however, I'm questioning why the Dbacks need a 2B when they just added Easley to share middle infield duties w/Cintron and Counsell until Drew is fully capable to be a full-time Major Leaguer himself... However, we cannot forget that Hudson also was the AL Gold Glover winner last season and appears to improve with age.... The Dbacks already have a Batista clone at this time and his name obviously is Claudio Vargas.... Although, at least Batista has proven himself as a good quality starter and could flourish in the role as a closer if needed....

I hope though that these leaked reports were part of a ploy by Byrnes and co. to force the Red Sox and Orioles to both up their ante in who they're willing to part with for Glaus (assuming that Santos would be included in any package).... The Red Sox are still reeling from losing Damon to their hated rivals and wouldnt be able to withstand the idea that Glaus would be a decent upgrade to their other inner-division foes..... If the Red Sox and Orioles drove-up the bargaining price for Glaus, then that might force the Blue Jays to be so inclined to sacrifice even more than what is rumored... So, it's all in Byrnes and co. hand to capitalize on this....

If this trade did indeed materialize... I would expect for Cintron to be finally dealt to the White Sox for some lower prospect... also.... Eric Byrnes is still available, so the Dbacks could invest the money they gain by trading Glaus to give Eric Byrnes an offer he cannot refuse.... Then, perhaps that money can be earmarked to obtain Josh Fogg or perhaps Ryan Franklin to be a back-end of the rotation starter.....

Perhaps it isnt realistic, but I hope the Red Sox are the team that Glaus ended-up because it could bring them either Clement or Arroyo with some quality prospects... The Orioles still want to deal both Bedard and perhaps Jorge Julio, however, it seems the Dbacks arent in the market for a closer.... Also, if the Blue Jays trade did transpire, this could give the Dbacks more money to be willing to acquire Tavarez (the best reliever still on the open market).... So, perhaps the other advantage of this trade is that it provides the Dbacks more flexibility to afford players within their own $65 mil payroll projection.... Then, we all know that next offseason's FA market is a lot stronger than this one.....

So, essentially for an injury prone..horrid defensively 3B (whose work ethic has been severly questioned also) the Dbacks are netting a Gold Glove up-and-coming 2B and a veteran savvy pitcher who's excelled as both a starter and closer.... However, I honestly hope that the Red Sox counter with a better offer of their own... Stay tuned.....

Edit:
Orlando Hudson:

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http://baseballreference.com/h/hudsoor01.shtml

Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG   TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 2002 24 TOR AL  54  192   20   53  10  5   4   23   0  1  11  27  .276  .319  .443   85   0   2   0   2   6
 2003 25 TOR AL 142  474   54  127  21  6   9   57   5  4  39  87  .268  .328  .395  187   0   3   1   5  13
 2004 26 TOR AL 135  489   73  132  32  7  12   58   7  3  51  98  .270  .341  .438  214   3   4   0   4  12
 2005 27 TOR AL 131  461   62  125  25  5  10   63   7  1  30  65  .271  .315  .412  190   0   7   1   3  10
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 4 Seasons      462 1616  209  437  88 23  35  201  19  9 131 277  .270  .328  .418  676   3  16   2  14  41
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 162 Game Avg        567   73  153  31  8  12   70   7  3  46  97  .270  .328  .418  237   1   6   1   5  14
 Career High    142  489   73  132  32  7  12   63   7  4  51  98  .271  .341  .438  214   3   7   1   5  13

Year Ag Tm  Lg  PA  Outs  RC  RC/27  OWP    BA *lgBA   OBP *lgOBP  SLG *lgSLG  OPS *lgOPS*OPS+ psOPS  SB% 
+--------------+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+-----+----+
 2002 24 TOR AL  207  148   27  4.93      | .276  .263| .319  .330| .443  .423| .762  .754| 101         0%
 2003 25 TOR AL  521  367   61  4.49      | .268  .274| .328  .340| .395  .438| .723  .778|  87        55%
 2004 26 TOR AL  551  379   73  5.20      | .270  .278| .341  .346| .438  .446| .779  .792|  97        70%
 2005 27 TOR AL  501  354   60  4.58      | .271  .271| .315  .334| .412  .429| .728  .763|  91        87%
+--------------+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+-----+----+
 4 Seasons      1780 1248  221  4.78      | .270  .273| .328  .339| .418  .436| .746  .775|  93        67%

 Year Ag Tm  Lg Pos   G     PO    A    E   DP    FP   lgFP  RFg  lgRFg  RF9  lgRF9  GS   Inn  
+--------------+---+----+------+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+------+
+---- Fielding Sorted by Year ------+
2002 24 TOR AL 2B 52 116 157 4 48 .986 .979 5.25 4.36 5.45 4.90 51 450.7 2003 25 TOR AL 2B 139 267 477 12 99 .984 .982 5.35 4.37 5.84 4.94 129 1146.7 2004 26 TOR AL 2B 133 276 449 12 90 .984 .982 5.45 4.35 5.80 4.95 128 1124.7 2005 27 TOR AL 2B 130 302 390 6 80 .991 .983 5.32 4.48 5.83 4.96 120 1067.7
+---- Fielding Sorted by Position --+
2002 24 TOR AL 2B 52 116 157 4 48 .986 .979 5.25 4.36 5.45 4.90 51 450.7 2003 25 TOR AL 2B 139 267 477 12 99 .984 .982 5.35 4.37 5.84 4.94 129 1146.7 2004 26 TOR AL 2B 133 276 449 12 90 .984 .982 5.45 4.35 5.80 4.95 128 1124.7 2005 27 TOR AL 2B 130 302 390 6 80 .991 .983 5.32 4.48 5.83 4.96 120 1067.7
+--------------+---+----+------+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+------+
 Position Total  2B* 454    961 1473   34  317  .986  .982  5.36  4.39  5.78  4.94  428 3789.8
+--------------+---+----+------+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+------+
 Overall Total       454    961 1473   34  317  .986  .982  5.36  4.39  5.78  4.94  428   3790

So, essentially he's making progress each and every year and could prove to make a long-term impact as well... Even if the Dbacks did immediately sign Upton..he'd still be at least 2-3 years away from making it to the Majors....

Edit: The stats appear more satisfactory on IE than FireFox

 

[AzKarl]

Is the proposed Glaus trade satisfactory?

I can't believe we will trade a top prospect and a proven homerun/RBI guy for a 34 year old pitcher and a middle infielder and then to boot throw in a top prospect and cash???????? Are we f'n nuts? People complained about Garagiola but Mr. Byrnes has not impressed me so far. This is paying premiums in players to dump payroll. I don't see how it improves the team unless you buy the addition by subtraction theory. In my view these are giveaway deals just like the Vasquez deal.

 

[Espo]

I think you guys are all overreacting to this. Byrnes is trying to build this team right so they can win. His goal is to make this a stable organization where you can win for the next 10 years not just a single season. Glaus is overrated and over paid and Santos doesn't have a spot in this organization. Byrnes is trying to clean up the mess Joe G left him with.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I think it's safe to say, should this deal go down, Toronto will be pretty well set at the Corner IF position. Overbay, Glaus, Hillenbrand (sounds like the Ex-Diamondback Alumni Corner), Koskie and Hinske. Funny thing, Glaus's signing ultimately led to Shea's trade from Arizona, now it looks like his acquisition is going to force Shea's trade from Toronto. Don't think the Hillenbrands will be sending Troy Glaus too many Kwanzaa, Chaunaka or Christmas cards anytime soon

We have been fleeced twice this off season if the Glaus trade goes down as is. We get older w/ Hernandez and Batista, Vizciano is 31, and we don't get any immediate help (Chris Young, CF of future). We should have went for young pitchers like McCarthy, Chacin, and Towers. Glaus may not be mobile but he gets paid to hit and drive in runs not run bases. Vazquez will have an all star year w/ Chicago mark my words. There aren't any CF available now and we have no interest in trading or signing any good pitchers. Our offseason earns a "F" grade, season outlook 100 losses next year.

Although some points, I agreed with (Glaus gets paid to hit and drive in runs, should have gone after McCarthy, Chacin or Towers), I think your assessment is a few pages off the mark.

First, regarding Vazquez and the "immediate help" comment, sometimes the net return in exchange for the veteran is worth making the gamble. Think the Astros regretted trading a pretty decent, albeit older pitcher in Larry Anderson for a young unknown in Jeff Bagwell? Think the Braves regret trading Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz? More recently, think the Pirates regret trading Brian Giles, who was without question their best (and only) offensive bat in exchange for Bay and Perez?

Sometimes you have to make calcluated risks and make gambles for the future. Was this the White Sox deal the best one Arizona could have gotten? Probably not. To be truthful, if you ask me 100 times if I'd rather have Joel Zumaya and Curtis Granderson or Chris Young, El Duque Hernandez and Luis Vizcaino, I'd pick the Detroit deal 100 times.

However, here are the facts about the Vazquez deal.. He had a no-trade clause, which made it very difficult to find the proper match. The afforementioned Detroit deal was a done deal, and Javy blocked it. The list of teams he could be traded to was essentially limited, and Arizona had a small window of teams to work with. Getting one of Chicago's top prospects out of the deal made a potential messy situation stomachable.

As for the Glaus deal, I really don't know what to think at this point. On one hand, Miggy can immediately improve Arizona's closer position and allows another one or two years for Valverde to grow comfort in the role. He also can step in as the #3, #4 or #5 role in the rotation. Hudson has a tremendous glove, and the Middle IF defense should be solid. It also allows them to start Drew off in Tucson, see how he adjusts to AAA pitching, before rushing him up to the bigs.

I hate losing Glaus without getting a long term net return however. He is a routine 35 HR a year guy, and you can do far worse than Glaus in your 4 spot. Throwing Santos in makes me like it less.

However, the main thing to keep in mind is that Glaus still has the ability to block this deal. Im kind of hoping he does.

 

[Arby]

Sometimes you have to make calcluated risks and make gambles for the future. Was this the White Sox deal the best one Arizona could have gotten? Probably not. To be truthful, if you ask me 100 times if I'd rather have Joel Zumaya and Curtis Granderson or Chris Young, El Duque Hernandez and Luis Vizcaino, I'd pick the Detroit deal 100 times.

I gotta feeling Byrnes probably feels the same way but supposedly Vasquez invoked his limited trade clause to squash the deal, then Detroit denied even offering the deal. So who knows what really happened.

I'll give Byrnes and his gang the benefit of the doubt that they did go out and get the best deal possible that filled the needs they were looking to fill.

 

[overseascardfan]

First, the argument of what the Dbacks get exchange for Glaus compared to what their respective teams net for Manny Ramirez and Miguel Tejada is an extremely invalid one.... Let's compare their output for the past few seasons, shall we?:

Troy Glaus:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/glaustr01.shtml

Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
1998 21 ANA AL 48 165 19 36 9 0 1 23 1 0 15 51 .218 .280 .291 48 0 2 0 0 3
1999 22 ANA AL 154 551 85 132 29 0 29 79 5 1 71 143 .240 .331 .450 248 0 3 1 6 9
2000 23 ANA AL 159 563 120 160 37 1 47 102 14 11 112 163 .284 .404 .604 340 0 1 6 2 14
2001 24 ANA AL 161 588 100 147 38 2 41 108 10 3 107 158 .250 .367 .531 312 0 7 7 6 16
2002 25 ANA AL 156 569 99 142 24 1 30 111 10 3 88 144 .250 .352 .453 258 0 8 4 6 12
2003 26 ANA AL 91 319 53 79 17 2 16 50 7 2 46 73 .248 .343 .464 148 0 1 4 1 8
2004 27 ANA AL 58 207 47 52 11 1 18 42 2 3 31 52 .251 .355 .575 119 0 1 3 3 6
2005 28 ARI NL 149 538 78 139 29 1 37 97 4 2 84 145 .258 .363 .522 281 0 5 2 7 7
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
8 Seasons 976 3500 601 887 194 8 219 612 53 25 554 929 .253 .358 .501 1754 0 28 27 31 75
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
162 Game Avg 581 100 147 32 1 36 102 9 4 92 154 .253 .358 .501 291 0 5 4 5 12
Career High 161 588 120 160 38 2 47 111 14 11 112 163 .284 .404 .604 340 0 8 7 7 16

Manny Ramriez:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ramirma02.shtml

Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
1993 21 CLE AL 22 53 5 9 1 0 2 5 0 0 2 8 .170 .200 .302 16 0 0 0 0 3
1994 22 CLE AL 91 290 51 78 22 0 17 60 4 2 42 72 .269 .357 .521 151 0 4 4 0 6
1995 23 CLE AL 137 484 85 149 26 1 31 107 6 6 75 112 .308 .402 .558 270 2 5 6 5 13
1996 24 CLE AL 152 550 94 170 45 3 33 112 8 5 85 104 .309 .399 .582 320 0 9 8 3 18
1997 25 CLE AL 150 561 99 184 40 0 26 88 2 3 79 115 .328 .415 .538 302 0 4 5 7 19
1998 26 CLE AL 150 571 108 168 35 2 45 145 5 3 76 121 .294 .377 .599 342 0 10 6 6 18
1999 27 CLE AL 147 522 131 174 34 3 44 165 2 4 96 131 .333 .442 .663 346 0 9 9 13 12
2000 28 CLE AL 118 439 92 154 34 2 38 122 1 1 86 117 .351 .457 .697 306 0 4 9 3 9
2001 29 BOS AL 142 529 93 162 33 2 41 125 0 1 81 147 .306 .405 .609 322 0 2 25 8 9
2002 30 BOS AL 120 436 84 152 31 0 33 107 0 0 73 85 .349 .450 .647 282 0 1 14 8 13
2003 31 BOS AL 154 569 117 185 36 1 37 104 3 1 97 94 .325 .427 .587 334 0 5 28 8 22
2004 32 BOS AL 152 568 108 175 44 0 43 130 2 4 82 124 .308 .397 .613 348 0 7 15 6 17
2005 33 BOS AL 152 554 112 162 30 1 45 144 1 0 80 119 .292 .388 .594 329 0 6 9 10 20
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
13 Seasons 6126 1922 15 1414 30 1349 .314 .409 .599 2 66 138 77 179
1687 1179 411 435 34 954 3668
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
162 Game Avg 588 113 185 39 1 42 136 3 3 92 130 .314 .409 .599 352 0 6 13 7 17
Career High 154 571 131 185 45 3 45 165 8 6 97 147 .351 .457 .697 348 2 10 28 13 22

Miguel Tejada:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/tejadmi01.shtml

Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
1997 21 OAK AL 26 99 10 20 3 2 2 10 2 0 2 22 .202 .240 .333 33 0 0 0 3 3
1998 22 OAK AL 105 365 53 85 20 1 11 45 5 6 28 86 .233 .298 .384 140 4 3 0 7 8
1999 23 OAK AL 159 593 93 149 33 4 21 84 8 7 57 94 .251 .325 .427 253 9 5 3 10 11
2000 24 OAK AL 160 607 105 167 32 1 30 115 6 0 66 102 .275 .349 .479 291 2 2 6 4 15
2001 25 OAK AL 162 622 107 166 31 3 31 113 11 5 43 89 .267 .326 .476 296 1 4 5 13 14
2002 26 OAK AL 162 662 108 204 30 0 34 131 7 2 38 84 .308 .354 .508 336 0 4 3 11 21
2003 27 OAK AL 162 636 98 177 42 0 27 106 10 0 53 65 .278 .336 .472 300 0 8 7 6 12
2004 28 BAL AL 162 653 107 203 40 2 34 150 4 1 48 73 .311 .360 .534 349 0 14 6 10 24
2005 29 BAL AL 162 654 89 199 50 5 26 98 5 1 40 83 .304 .349 .515 337 0 3 8 7 26
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
9 Seasons 1260 4891 770 1370 281 18 216 852 58 22 375 698 .280 .338 .477 2335 16 43 38 71 134
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
162 Game Avg 629 99 176 36 2 28 110 7 3 48 90 .280 .338 .477 300 2 6 5 9 17
Career High 162 662 108 204 50 5 34 150 11 7 66 102 .311 .360 .534 349 9 14 8 13 26

Also, let's take into account all the other player's accolades/accomplishments along with the fact that they're relatively more respectable defensively compared to Glaus (who the Blue Jays are debating whether or not if he's a liability at 3B).... Do you honestly beleive that another organization would give-up talent of the calibre you're requesting strictly for just Glaus? Absolutely not... They would immediately demand that the Dbacks would have to include Connor Jackson or Carlos Quentin in the deal.... Then, you ask about the short-solution in CF when Jeff DaVanon still could be had along with some other fairly decent and cheap stopgaps......

That all being said....I'm very mixed on this deal.... True, the Dbacks will finally clear 3B so Tracy could become the regular there...also clears-up more money to sign him a guaranteed long-term deal (which was rumored the Dbacks were in the middle of negotiations to solve that matter).... Also, it might free-up money to acquire some of the mid-tier starters that are available.... Hudson did show some power last season, however, I'm questioning why the Dbacks need a 2B when they just added Easley to share middle infield duties w/Cintron and Counsell until Drew is fully capable to be a full-time Major Leaguer himself... However, we cannot forget that Hudson also was the AL Gold Glover winner last season and appears to improve with age.... The Dbacks already have a Batista clone at this time and his name obviously is Claudio Vargas.... Although, at least Batista has proven himself as a good quality starter and could flourish in the role as a closer if needed....

I hope though that these leaked reports were part of a ploy by Byrnes and co. to force the Red Sox and Orioles to both up their ante in who they're willing to part with for Glaus (assuming that Santos would be included in any package).... The Red Sox are still reeling from losing Damon to their hated rivals and wouldnt be able to withstand the idea that Glaus would be a decent upgrade to their other inner-division foes..... If the Red Sox and Orioles drove-up the bargaining price for Glaus, then that might force the Blue Jays to be so inclined to sacrifice even more than what is rumored... So, it's all in Byrnes and co. hand to capitalize on this....

If this trade did indeed materialize... I would expect for Cintron to be finally dealt to the White Sox for some lower prospect... also.... Eric Byrnes is still available, so the Dbacks could invest the money they gain by trading Glaus to give Eric Byrnes an offer he cannot refuse.... Then, perhaps that money can be earmarked to obtain Josh Fogg or perhaps Ryan Franklin to be a back-end of the rotation starter.....

Perhaps it isnt realistic, but I hope the Red Sox are the team that Glaus ended-up because it could bring them either Clement or Arroyo with some quality prospects... The Orioles still want to deal both Bedard and perhaps Jorge Julio, however, it seems the Dbacks arent in the market for a closer.... Also, if the Blue Jays trade did transpire, this could give the Dbacks more money to be willing to acquire Tavarez (the best reliever still on the open market).... So, perhaps the other advantage of this trade is that it provides the Dbacks more flexibility to afford players within their own $65 mil payroll projection.... Then, we all know that next offseason's FA market is a lot stronger than this one.....

So, essentially for an injury prone..horrid defensively 3B (whose work ethic has been severly questioned also) the Dbacks are netting a Gold Glove up-and-coming 2B and a veteran savvy pitcher who's excelled as both a starter and closer.... However, I honestly hope that the Red Sox counter with a better offer of their own... Stay tuned.....

Edit:
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Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
2002 24 TOR AL 54 192 20 53 10 5 4 23 0 1 11 27 .276 .319 .443 85 0 2 0 2 6
2003 25 TOR AL 142 474 54 127 21 6 9 57 5 4 39 87 .268 .328 .395 187 0 3 1 5 13
2004 26 TOR AL 135 489 73 132 32 7 12 58 7 3 51 98 .270 .341 .438 214 3 4 0 4 12
2005 27 TOR AL 131 461 62 125 25 5 10 63 7 1 30 65 .271 .315 .412 190 0 7 1 3 10
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
4 Seasons 462 1616 209 437 88 23 35 201 19 9 131 277 .270 .328 .418 676 3 16 2 14 41
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
162 Game Avg 567 73 153 31 8 12 70 7 3 46 97 .270 .328 .418 237 1 6 1 5 14
Career High 142 489 73 132 32 7 12 63 7 4 51 98 .271 .341 .438 214 3 7 1 5 13

Year Ag Tm Lg PA Outs RC RC/27 OWP BA *lgBA OBP *lgOBP SLG *lgSLG OPS *lgOPS*OPS+ psOPS SB% 
+--------------+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+-----+----+
2002 24 TOR AL 207 148 27 4.93 | .276 .263| .319 .330| .443 .423| .762 .754| 101 0%
2003 25 TOR AL 521 367 61 4.49 | .268 .274| .328 .340| .395 .438| .723 .778| 87 55%
2004 26 TOR AL 551 379 73 5.20 | .270 .278| .341 .346| .438 .446| .779 .792| 97 70%
2005 27 TOR AL 501 354 60 4.58 | .271 .271| .315 .334| .412 .429| .728 .763| 91 87%
+--------------+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+-----+----+
4 Seasons 1780 1248 221 4.78 | .270 .273| .328 .339| .418 .436| .746 .775| 93 67%

 Year Ag Tm Lg Pos G PO A E DP FP lgFP RFg lgRFg RF9 lgRF9 GS Inn 
+--------------+---+----+------+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+------+
+---- Fielding Sorted by Year ------+
2002 24 TOR AL 2B 52 116 157 4 48 .986 .979 5.25 4.36 5.45 4.90 51 450.7 2003 25 TOR AL 2B 139 267 477 12 99 .984 .982 5.35 4.37 5.84 4.94 129 1146.7 2004 26 TOR AL 2B 133 276 449 12 90 .984 .982 5.45 4.35 5.80 4.95 128 1124.7 2005 27 TOR AL 2B 130 302 390 6 80 .991 .983 5.32 4.48 5.83 4.96 120 1067.7
+---- Fielding Sorted by Position --+
2002 24 TOR AL 2B 52 116 157 4 48 .986 .979 5.25 4.36 5.45 4.90 51 450.7 2003 25 TOR AL 2B 139 267 477 12 99 .984 .982 5.35 4.37 5.84 4.94 129 1146.7 2004 26 TOR AL 2B 133 276 449 12 90 .984 .982 5.45 4.35 5.80 4.95 128 1124.7 2005 27 TOR AL 2B 130 302 390 6 80 .991 .983 5.32 4.48 5.83 4.96 120 1067.7
+--------------+---+----+------+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+------+
Position Total 2B* 454 961 1473 34 317 .986 .982 5.36 4.39 5.78 4.94 428 3789.8
+--------------+---+----+------+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+------+
Overall Total 454 961 1473 34 317 .986 .982 5.36 4.39 5.78 4.94 428 3790

So, essentially he's making progress each and every year and could prove to make a long-term impact as well... Even if the Dbacks did immediately sign Upton..he'd still be at least 2-3 years away from making it to the Majors....

Edit: The stats appear more satisfactory on IE than FireFox

What? They are relatively better defensively? I'll give you Tejada but Manny!! His work ethic and defensive skills are highly more publicized than Glaus'. He is older and still will net Boston two high level prospects.

The overpaying Glaus part. We knew Glaus was a .250 hitter but the guy averages 30 HR's and like 80 RBI's a year. Everyone was happy to get him hello G Force, remember. Why did we sign him?

Develop a farm system ala the Indians. We only got one prospect in both deals not to mention we would be giving up one of our top ten prospects so it is a wash. A top ten prospect and a power hitting 3B for an average 2B and an aging P who we gave up on two years ago, WOW.

We could have had McCarthy because the Sox are rumored to be interested in moving Garland or McCarthy for prospects, imagine that. The guy we got (El Duque) had major shoulder problems the last two years, so he might not last a whole year.

We got the best deals. We did not have to trade Glaus or Vazquez so soon. So we don't know if we got the best deals.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Overseas, I enjoy reading your posts and the insight you bring, so don't take this the wrong way.. Not to sound like a bastard here, but PLEASE take some of KLL's quote out of your reply. I feel like I just spent a night on the town drinking at every bar known to man going through all that

 

[overseascardfan]

Overseas, I enjoy reading your posts and the insight you bring, so don't take this the wrong way.. Not to sound like a bastard here, but PLEASE take some of KLL's quote out of your reply. I feel like I just spent a night on the town drinking at every bar known to man going through all that

Sorry about that I gotta little carried away. Won't happen again.

 

[boondockdrunk]

It was said that the pirates made an effort to get Glaus but the deal was not better than Toronto's offer. I don't know what they offered, but it must have been something awful for the D'Backs to reject it so quickly.

 

[boondockdrunk]

Glaus Official-Press Conference 10 a.m. Tuesday

The Toronto Blue Jays have called a 10am et news conference for Tuesday where the team is expected to announce the acquisition of slugger Troy Glaus.

The Jays and Arizona Diamondbacks worked on a deal over the holidays that would send Glaus and a prospect to Toronto for Gold Glove second baseman Orlando Hudson and right-hander Miguel Batista.

The remaining work was believed to centre around financial considerations in Glaus's contract, as well as a physical for the 29-year-old third baseman. He has $32 million US and three years left on the $45-million, four-year deal he signed with Arizona last winter.

The Diamondbacks are due to save money in the trade as Batista is set to make $4.75 million in the final year of his deal while Hudson is expected to command about $2 million in salary arbitration. Glaus' contract also included a no-trade clause, which he had to waive, and reimbursements of up to $250,000 annually for personal business expenses.

The Glaus deal gives the Blue Jays the power threat they have been working feverishly to obtain this off-season, to complement the earlier acquisitions of starter A.J. Burnett, closer B.J. Ryan and first baseman Lyle Overbay.

Glaus hit .258 with 37 homers and 97 RBIs in 149 games for Arizona and has hit 29 or more homers five times during his eight major league seasons.

http://tsn.ca/mlb/news_story.asp?ID=148284&hubName=mlb

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

I am not too thrilled with this deal. I do not think it is horrible, but the players we recieve do not seem to fit in long term. We give up our best bargaining chip (along with another solid one in Sergio Santos) without filling either of our largest needs, which is a top of the rotation starter and solid pitching prospects. Toronto fans love Hudson, but I am not really sure why. He is obviously excellent defensively, but not much of a hitter. He is a decent player to have, but not really one that fits in long term with this team, especially considering the emergence of Drew and Upton. Im a Miguel Batista fan, but considering how much money he makes and how horrible of a second half he had last year, I do not think his trade value is very high at the moment. He is also 34 and an impending UFA, so he is not going to be around here for very long. Once again, a decent player (assuming he rebounds) but one that does not seem to fit in long term (nor does he seem to fit in with our "mid term" plans, meaning 2007ish). My biggest complaint is not with the quality of the players recieved in the deal, but that they will not contribute much after a year or two. We had much bigger holes to fill both long term and short term (the aforementioned top of the rotation starter and a solid pitching prospect), and we will not fill either while giving up our best bargaining chip. I am very disappointed that we were not able to come to a deal with Boston, which almost certainly been able to fill at least one of those holes.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Since this deal became official so quickly (press conference tomorrow), I am guessing that the Diamondbacks are not sending any cash as part of the deal, as that would require approval of the commissioners's office.

 

[HooverDam]

Well I don't know about this deal. I certainly don't like Glaus very much, and apparently most MLB GMs agree w/ me. Im sure its the best deal Byrnes could've got...maybe we shouldve waited until mid season when a few teams were desperate for some power.

I wish we would've recieved prospects in this trade instead of the "2 birds" we got, ah well.

 

[Stan C]

Dumping salary and going after a better infield defensively. Are they going after Weaver? 2 ground ball pitchers would be nice, but I think he want's mega dough with Boras as his agent.

 

[Evil Ash]

Dumping salary and going after a better infield defensively. Are they going after Weaver? 2 ground ball pitchers would be nice, but I think he want's mega dough with Boras as his agent.

He's been in 2 great pitchers parks and stunk in both of them.

Please stay away, stay far far away from that guy.

 

[Phill11]

Dumping salary and going after a better infield defensively. Are they going after Weaver? 2 ground ball pitchers would be nice, but I think he want's mega dough with Boras as his agent.

I'd avoid Weaver. SP's this season are getting WAY to much. Burnett 11 million a season. Now Millwood 5 year/$60 million. COME ON!

 

[FinleyLover]

Perhaps it isnt realistic, but I hope the Red Sox are the team that Glaus ended-up because it could bring them either Clement or Arroyo with some quality prospects...

There's NO WAY Boston is going to let go of Arroyo especially since the Damon fiasco...

 

[Rioss]

Jays to announce Glaus deal

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/news_story.asp?ID=148284&hubName=mlb

 

[devilalum]

Santos

I guess his stock has fallen. It seems like just a year ago he was one of our top 3 prospects.

 

[devilalum]

I'd avoid Weaver. SP's this season are getting WAY to much. Burnett 11 million a season. Now Millwood 5 year/$60 million. COME ON!

And I keep hearing that the Dbacks plan is to sign TWO top notch starting pitchers next off season?!?!

 

[halladayrules]

Orlando Hudson Will Be Awesome For D-Backs

Toronto fans are going to miss him especially. This guy is a show-stopper and a half...he'll make his presence in the dugout known. You guys should be very happy you got O-Dawg. That's Orlando Hudson's nickname. THA O-DAWG, given by Jays fans, and more famously Harold Reynolds. Enjoy him while you can. We'll certainly enjoy Glaus.

 

[Ryanwb]

You guys should be very happy you got O-Dawg. That's Orlando Hudson's nickname. THA O-DAWG, given by Jays fans,

Those crazy white Canadians