The Kolb - Skelton Competition

[Red Dawn]

JG, you must have watched the same games that I did.

 

[desertdawg]

I watched them all. Kolb was 3-6 as a starter and Skelton was 5-2. And Skelton looked a hell of a lot more comfortable in the pocket than Kolb did.



Lol.



Yup.



This.



Well then why even bet? I think the concussed part is gonna be a given, even though it won't be by hair pull. I'll bet $20 with anyone that Kolb won't play half a season with this team, either via suckage or injury.

I bet you Kolb takes us to the playoffs, he might suck along the way and get carried by the defense. Loser goes topless at Burningman

 

[Jersey Girl]

JG, you must have watched the same games that I did.

 

[Jersey Girl]

I bet you Kolb takes us to the playoffs, he might suck along the way and get carried by the defense. Loser goes topless at Burningman

Lol. You DO know my big and fabulous boobs are 40, correct?

 

[desertdawg]

Lol. You DO know my big and fabulous boobs are 40, correct?

I'd drink 40s all day if your boobies were in my face, but that's just me and I hope your man doesn't whoop on me for that. As far as the bet goes, I got Kolb making it to the end of the season....? If I win, you gotta post every day for two straight weeks about how awesome I am, and you gotta mean it woman, I want that waxxed poetry. I will most likely agree with what ever terms you come back with, just gotta clear it with my adviser/wife

 

[desertdawg]

This bet states that Kolb will be the starter the last game of the season.

 

[Jersey Girl]

I'd drink 40s all day if your boobies were in my face, but that's just me and I hope your man doesn't whoop on me for that. As far as the bet goes, I got Kolb making it to the end of the season....? If I win, you gotta post every day for two straight weeks about how awesome I am, and you gotta mean it woman, I want that waxxed poetry. I will most likely agree with what ever terms you come back with, just gotta clear it with my adviser/wife

Heart you. My man is good so no worries.

I think you are awesome all the time, but I will post it everyday if Kolb plays every game this season. I say make it a month. Everyday. Specific awesome praise. For a full month.

 

[desertdawg]

Heart you. My man is good so no worries.

I think you are awesome all the time, but I will post it everyday if Kolb plays every game this season. I say make it a month. Everyday. Specific awesome praise. For a full month.

Month it is.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Anybody completely writing Kolb off will be sorely mistaken. Don't believe me? Watch the first regular season game vs the Panthers and the last game he played vs the Cowboys.

- His footwork in the pocket is FAR better than it was before (I can't express how much better it was in just words. Watch the tape)

- His reads on most throws are made at the peak of his 3-5 step drop

- His throws are MUCH more confident (less airing the ball out and more crisp passes towards the middle of the field)

Again, watch the tape. Arguments are all just speculation until you've taken the time to really break down from beginning to end.

Edit: Give this guy a full offseason and he can be pretty scary. Skelton had a year in this offense. Mentally he was far more ahead of the curve than Kolb and were still talking about them being pretty equal. Football, for all it's big muscular guys, is 70% mental (especially at QB). The minute a guy completely trusts himself in his playbook, it's much easier to stop thinking and start playing. Kolb needs a full offseason to be successful.

 

[WickedKoolFan]

Skelton was worse in nearly every statistical category, but still won. I think the defense giving up 8 less points per game (24 pts [wk1-8] vs 16 pts [wk 9-17]) had more to do with winning than Skelton throwing less yards, scoring less pts, etc.

 

[Phrazbit]

I bet you Kolb takes us to the playoffs, he might suck along the way and get carried by the defense. Loser goes topless at Burningman

I highly doubt they will use the defense as stretcher bearers, they have carts for that.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Skelton was worse in nearly every statistical category, but still won. I think the defense giving up 8 less points per game (24 pts [wk1-8] vs 16 pts [wk 9-17]) had more to do with winning than Skelton throwing less yards, scoring less pts, etc.

If you subtract 8 points from all the games in the first 8 weeks, we are 5-3. Add in a full offseason with Kolb and I really like our chances.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I consider kolb 2-6 , for he doent dserve credit for a game in which he played one series.

 

[Duckjake]

Anybody completely writing Kolb off will be sorely mistaken. Don't believe me? Watch the first regular season game vs the Panthers and the last game he played vs the Cowboys.

- His footwork in the pocket is FAR better than it was before (I can't express how much better it was in just words. Watch the tape)

- His reads on most throws are made at the peak of his 3-5 step drop

- His throws are MUCH more confident (less airing the ball out and more crisp passes towards the middle of the field)

Again, watch the tape. Arguments are all just speculation until you've taken the time to really break down from beginning to end.

Edit: Give this guy a full offseason and he can be pretty scary. Skelton had a year in this offense. Mentally he was far more ahead of the curve than Kolb and were still talking about them being pretty equal. Football, for all it's big muscular guys, is 70% mental (especially at QB). The minute a guy completely trusts himself in his playbook, it's much easier to stop thinking and start playing. Kolb needs a full offseason to be successful.

Wow. someone actually stating logical reasons they think Kolb will be a good QB for us instead of just ranting that he will be and all he needs is more time in the system.

Good job Moe.

 

[Cardiac]

I don't care if Kolb had 10 training camps and OTAs, he will NEVER develop heart. he is a coward and always will be. He might look good in training camp, because he's wearing the red QB jersey and isn't worrying about getting hit. As soon as those bullets are live we will see his true colors again.

Not even the Wizard of AZ could help...

Give me Skelton any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

I disagree in that I don't think Kolb WAS afraid of being hit. We all saw him make throws knowing he was going to get blasted and he didn't flinch. I think he was "afraid" of not being successful and getting sacked meant a negative play which meant being unsuccessful.

My concern about Kolb going forward is the concussion factor.

Anybody completely writing Kolb off will be sorely mistaken. Don't believe me? Watch the first regular season game vs the Panthers and the last game he played vs the Cowboys.

- His footwork in the pocket is FAR better than it was before (I can't express how much better it was in just words. Watch the tape)

- His reads on most throws are made at the peak of his 3-5 step drop

- His throws are MUCH more confident (less airing the ball out and more crisp passes towards the middle of the field)

Again, watch the tape. Arguments are all just speculation until you've taken the time to really break down from beginning to end.

Edit: Give this guy a full offseason and he can be pretty scary. Skelton had a year in this offense. Mentally he was far more ahead of the curve than Kolb and were still talking about them being pretty equal. Football, for all it's big muscular guys, is 70% mental (especially at QB). The minute a guy completely trusts himself in his playbook, it's much easier to stop thinking and start playing. Kolb needs a full offseason to be successful.

I agree with most of this.

 

[THESMEL]

I like them both, Skelton outproduced Kolb on the field last year with the same team, Skelton was in trouble early and warmed up later- maybe weshould ask AW and DD to run over him a couple times pregame, get his Skelator face on! we ran the ball a little more last year with our broken beanie, 245 carries and 10 catches is a very light load but he played with one leg most of the year.

Kolb never had an offseason, struggled with the new offense especially where each member of the offense makes their own read at the line of scrimmage, and they all must read the play the same or it gets real ugly on protections, 3-5-7 step drops.
But still Kolb rolled right 50% of the time and ran out of bounds instead of throwing it awasy alot. He got better and has much room to improve this year, He is an average NFL QB, plenty of QB with elite fitz and Beanie as the core skills offense.

Mike miller has not, They got this Kurt Warner offense in- that has the oline making the protection reads that Edge and THT was good with, Beanie is good at them now, When the QB calls or at least knows the protections like other NFL teams, it is not as versatile but you don't have as many jailbreaks to the QB. I mean Kolb NEVER seen that in Philly, a DL having a straight shot at the QB and every body looking out their ear hole pointing at others to blame what went wrong. In Philly they point at the QB! he set the protection or adjusted it at the line. EDGE did it for Peyton.

I think Skelton has better overall QB skillsets, or lets say abilities and upside at 6'6" and 250- He can throw it through a wall, is fleet off foot for his size, He has a good QB mind, Chris Miller hurt him more than any other, I'm not sure Mcnulty is the answer at QB coach? unlearning what Miller taught him will be harder than learning what Mcnulty wants. I'm just not sure the dynamics are different? we'll see if they audible to a run!

Both need to learn the one quarter back position, not the one half back or the Full back position. I'm not sure if Mcnulty understands that, Mike Miller doesn't and Whiz has amnesia without Bill Cower telling him to run the Damned Ball. Ask Beanie he knows Jim Brown was a FULL BACK, in that day rthe QB took responsibilities off the primary weapon the running back - now the running back takes responsibilities off the primary weapon of the passer. Grimm asks the oline to take even more pressure off the passer, it helps the passer make 3-4 reads in 2.5 seconds! JIM BROWN Made 3-4 reads in less than 2 seconds running the ball. Beanie is that old school - at least he was until whiz neutered him. Whiz made his primary assignment pass blocking, that is what Edge complained about right before EDGE got Benched- That is what Beanie Complained about right before he got benched- that is what Matt Leinart complained about right before he got CUT! Open door policy my AZ.

I'm pretty sure Peyton Manning would give Beanie the 7 early carries Beanie asked for, to set the physical tone and establish the chess game, PM did it with Edge for years and won more game than any QB in history-passing. You will defend the run or we will destroy you. We are a one dimension offense under Mike Miller, Beanie hasn't got more than 7 carries to often - in a game, through most his career, That is stupid! He got more carries hurt! And the team was better- Mix in a healthy RWILL and we got us playoff caliber football team. Pass 66% of the time without Kurt warner again, not so much.

yes it is a passing NFL - big sillys - as defenses lighten up run game defense with 3 DL and 4 LBS, lighter LB's, safeties and CB's to cover recievers more than run stopping, the pendelum shifts back to run game advantage for an offense, now we shifted to the 3-4 late in the game, after many teams adopted it and won championships. Behind the curve we are and have been. We stopped the run with the 4-3 / 3-4 hybrid in 07-08-0, We had some great run defensive games. In the 3-4 they ran it right down our throats! It was not Gabe or Branch's fault- Robison wasn't a greek god or something when he managed it.

We have coaches that don't understand individula or unit matchups, in game planning, if they do have a clue it is even worse! I don't see adding of Reich and firing of Chris Miller as the answer, but I'm ready to cheer em on. Kolb and Skelton are our QB duo- fact is Kolb has been more fragile than Leinart, So i expect John Skelton to survive long enough to be the long term answer, You know without starting tackles under contract, and all.

 

[Mitch]

I like them both, Skelton outproduced Kolb on the field last year with the same team, Skelton was in trouble early and warmed up later- maybe weshould ask AW and DD to run over him a couple times pregame, get his Skelator face on! we ran the ball a little more last year with our broken beanie, 245 carries and 10 catches is a very light load but he played with one leg most of the year.

Kolb never had an offseason, struggled with the new offense especially where each member of the offense makes their own read at the line of scrimmage, and they all must read the play the same or it gets real ugly on protections, 3-5-7 step drops.
But still Kolb rolled right 50% of the time and ran out of bounds instead of throwing it awasy alot. He got better and has much room to improve this year, He is an average NFL QB, plenty of QB with elite fitz and Beanie as the core skills offense.

Mike miller has not, They got this Kurt Warner offense in- that has the oline making the protection reads that Edge and THT was good with, Beanie is good at them now, When the QB calls or at least knows the protections like other NFL teams, it is not as versatile but you don't have as many jailbreaks to the QB. I mean Kolb NEVER seen that in Philly, a DL having a straight shot at the QB and every body looking out their ear hole pointing at others to blame what went wrong. In Philly they point at the QB! he set the protection or adjusted it at the line. EDGE did it for Peyton.

I think Skelton has better overall QB skillsets, or lets say abilities and upside at 6'6" and 250- He can throw it through a wall, is fleet off foot for his size, He has a good QB mind, Chris Miller hurt him more than any other, I'm not sure Mcnulty is the answer at QB coach? unlearning what Miller taught him will be harder than learning what Mcnulty wants. I'm just not sure the dynamics are different? we'll see if they audible to a run!

Both need to learn the one quarter back position, not the one half back or the Full back position. I'm not sure if Mcnulty understands that, Mike Miller doesn't and Whiz has amnesia without Bill Cower telling him to run the Damned Ball. Ask Beanie he knows Jim Brown was a FULL BACK, in that day rthe QB took responsibilities off the primary weapon the running back - now the running back takes responsibilities off the primary weapon of the passer. Grimm asks the oline to take even more pressure off the passer, it helps the passer make 3-4 reads in 2.5 seconds! JIM BROWN Made 3-4 reads in less than 2 seconds running the ball. Beanie is that old school - at least he was until whiz neutered him. Whiz made his primary assignment pass blocking, that is what Edge complained about right before EDGE got Benched- That is what Beanie Complained about right before he got benched- that is what Matt Leinart complained about right before he got CUT! Open door policy my AZ.

I'm pretty sure Peyton Manning would give Beanie the 7 early carries Beanie asked for, to set the physical tone and establish the chess game, PM did it with Edge for years and won more game than any QB in history-passing. You will defend the run or we will destroy you. We are a one dimension offense under Mike Miller, Beanie hasn't got more than 7 carries to often - in a game, through most his career, That is stupid! He got more carries hurt! And the team was better- Mix in a healthy RWILL and we got us playoff caliber football team. Pass 66% of the time without Kurt warner again, not so much.

yes it is a passing NFL - big sillys - as defenses lighten up run game defense with 3 DL and 4 LBS, lighter LB's, safeties and CB's to cover recievers more than run stopping, the pendelum shifts back to run game advantage for an offense, now we shifted to the 3-4 late in the game, after many teams adopted it and won championships. Behind the curve we are and have been. We stopped the run with the 4-3 / 3-4 hybrid in 07-08-0, We had some great run defensive games. In the 3-4 they ran it right down our throats! It was not Gabe or Branch's fault- Robison wasn't a greek god or something when he managed it.

We have coaches that don't understand individula or unit matchups, in game planning, if they do have a clue it is even worse! I don't see adding of Reich and firing of Chris Miller as the answer, but I'm ready to cheer em on. Kolb and Skelton are our QB duo- fact is Kolb has been more fragile than Leinart, So i expect John Skelton to survive long enough to be the long term answer, You know without starting tackles under contract, and all.

One of your BEST and most lucid posts, SMEL! Well done!

 

[Dback Jon]

No chance Kolb doesn't win the job. Did you guys saying otherwise watch the games last year?

Yes - I saw Skelton out play Kolb. Not sure what games you were watching.

 

[Duckjake]

Yes - I saw Skelton out play Kolb. Not sure what games you were watching.

Maybe he was watching the Ravens games and thought Flacco was Kolb. After all both teams are named after birds and Q was on the field at WR.

 

[ajcardfan]

Kolb didn't suck in every game, all game. I can understand why they brought him back.

But, that said, I still would've let him go because of the concussions. For his own good. That last one had really scary symptoms. You only get those kinds of symptoms for that length of time if patches of brain tissue died.

 

[Stout]

Yeah, our only hope is Kolb learning the playbook because Skelton has no accuracy. You either have the touch or you don't.

Incorrect. Lack of accuracy can be a result of improper footwork. Of course, Skelton has had plenty of time with pro coaches to...no, wait...he had very few reps in a shortened training camp, he was a third-stringer in the previous training camp, and he was at Fordham before that. You mean he hasn't had a single chance to develop AT ALL before he started some games this season? GASP! Maybe when he actually gets, you know, professional coaching and developmental work on his footwork, his accuracy will improve. But I guess you believe that a guy from the football factory of Fordham should be NFL ready. Sorry to jump your case like this, but this is a really faulty and illogical argument that too many people have mistakenly made.