The Latest on Rosen

[Harry]

I’m hearing the Giants prefer Rosen over Haskins in terms of talent. If that’s true it comes down to cost. With Rosen they’d lose a year of control but save some back on salary. They know Haskins won’t last until 17 even if they settled for him. I believe they would offer the 17th pick straight up for Rosen if the Cards are patient. However, I still don't like taking Murray.

 

[Shane]

Even the latest on Risen turned into Murray at the end

Thanks for all your posts Harry

 

[NYCARDS]

Murray reminds me too much of RG3. I understand that the game has changed and these Wilson type qbs may be what teams look for but I will take an immobile Tom Brady type over Murray. And Rosen is much more mobile than TB

 

[overseascardfan]

I’m hearing the Giants prefer Rosen over Haskins in terms of talent. If that’s true it comes down to cost. With Rosen they’d lose a year of control but save some back on salary. They know Haskins won’t last until 17 even if they settled for him. I believe they would offer the 17th pick straight up for Rosen if the Cards are patient. However, I still don't like taking Murray.

Wouldn’t it blow everyone’s mind if they traded down from #1 to take Haskins instead of Murray and then trade Rosen for #17?

 

[DRM08]

Murray reminds me too much of RG3. I understand that the game has changed and these Wilson type qbs may be what teams look for but I will take an immobile Tom Brady type over Murray. And Rosen is much more mobile than TB

That's not a fair comparison. Granted, I strongly doubt Murray will have a career anywhere close to Brady. But you are comparing them with full hindsight of Brady's career after 18+ seasons. Clearly a bunch of people didn't think Brady would amount to much or he would not have been a 6th round draft pick.

I can point to a boatload of immobile mega busts in the history of the league who were drafted much, much higher than Tom Brady. Same goes for the RG3 type of mobile QB busts you might point to in comparison with Murray. Nobody knows what Kyler (or Rosen) will be at this point. Only time will tell on both of them.

 

[Shane]

Murray reminds me too much of RG3. I understand that the game has changed and these Wilson type qbs may be what teams look for but I will take an immobile Tom Brady type over Murray. And Rosen is much more mobile than TB

But has the game really “changed”

The look of what we see winning SBs consistently suggests the game hasent changed I’d argue.

 

[TheCardFan]

I’m hearing the Giants prefer Rosen over Haskins in terms of talent. If that’s true it comes down to cost. With Rosen they’d lose a year of control but save some back on salary. They know Haskins won’t last until 17 even if they settled for him. I believe they would offer the 17th pick straight up for Rosen if the Cards are patient. However, I still don't like taking Murray.

To be fair, I think SissyboyFloyd called this first on the board. I believe it was before the OBJ trade and he was saying #6 overall.

 

[Harry]

To be fair, I think SissyboyFloyd called this first on the board. I believe it was before the OBJ trade and he was saying #6 overall.

Sorry if I missed it. My source is quite good.

 

[BW52]

I’m hearing the Giants prefer Rosen over Haskins in terms of talent. If that’s true it comes down to cost. With Rosen they’d lose a year of control but save some back on salary. They know Haskins won’t last until 17 even if they settled for him. I believe they would offer the 17th pick straight up for Rosen if the Cards are patient. However, I still don't like taking Murray.

If the Cards do trade Rosen for the 17th pick and draft Murray (insanity...oh the horror.....) that means Cards end up with a very risky rookie QB and miss out on one of the possible top defensive draft picks in the draft.Questionable thinking IMHO.
What happens if Murray isn`t ready to start and has to be 2nd QB for weeks...…..Hundley is not a QB that seems like anything more than solid backup/spot starter.Might be okay for a couple of weeks .

 

[az jam]

Thanks Harry, things sure are getting interesting. Cards could get a good player at #17 also at #33.

 

[juza76]

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yes he deserve a better stage considering the stellar plays he displayed last season

but he is the same guys telling 9 mistakes were made not selecting me

work hard, showed it on sunday, then u can talk

 

[GuernseyCard]

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yes he deserve a better stage considering the stellar plays he displayed last season

but he is the same guys telling 9 mistakes were made not selecting me

work hard, showed it on sunday, then u can talk

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[TJ]

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yes he deserve a better stage considering the stellar plays he displayed last season

but he is the same guys telling 9 mistakes were made not selecting me

work hard, showed it on sunday, then u can talk

Not sure what’s worse: the take, or that people actually buy it?

 

[juza76]

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what do u expect from urban?
he doesnt give any insight since he started covering the cards, is a good man but his work essentially is retweet other tweets

 

[Goldfield]

If the Cards do trade Rosen for the 17th pick and draft Murray (insanity...oh the horror.....) that means Cards end up with a very risky rookie QB and miss out on one of the possible top defensive draft picks in the draft.Questionable thinking IMHO.
What happens if Murray isn`t ready to start and has to be 2nd QB for weeks...…..Hundley is not a QB that seems like anything more than solid backup/spot starter.Might be okay for a couple of weeks .

If they take Murray #1 he will start ready or not.

 

[football karma]

from the Ringer -- this seems as good a place as any

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/...zona-cardinals-taking-kyler-murray-josh-rosen

 

[AZCB34]

But has the game really “changed”

The look of what we see winning SBs consistently suggests the game hasent changed I’d argue.

I think it is fair to say the game is changing but hasn't fully changed yet. Murray represents what the game is moving towards while Rosen represents where the game had been.

I am not saying draft Murray simply what I believe is happening with the NFL game. As long as it isn't Bosa.

Edit to add: Hiring of KK speaks to where the league is going

 

[DutchmanAZ]

It’s always been a copy car league. Whether we draft this kid or not, the offense will change. Will it work? Guess that’s why I’ll watch))

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If the Cards do trade Rosen for the 17th pick and draft Murray (insanity...oh the horror.....) that means Cards end up with a very risky rookie QB and miss out on one of the possible top defensive draft picks in the draft.Questionable thinking IMHO.
What happens if Murray isn`t ready to start and has to be 2nd QB for weeks...…..Hundley is not a QB that seems like anything more than solid backup/spot starter.Might be okay for a couple of weeks .

All true. I guess the same can be said if Rosen (who I like) doesn’t show any growth from last year - that would really put him in the same class as Murray and then still stuck with Hundley, right?

 

[Arz101]

Go find a running QB in Mike Leach and KK's Air Raid system, then we can talk why Rosen is not a fit. Calling Rosen not a fit at this time is proposterous

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[NYCARDS]

That's not a fair comparison. Granted, I strongly doubt Murray will have a career anywhere close to Brady. But you are comparing them with full hindsight of Brady's career after 18+ seasons. Clearly a bunch of people didn't think Brady would amount to much or he would not have been a 6th round draft pick.

I can point to a boatload of immobile mega busts in the history of the league who were drafted much, much higher than Tom Brady. Same goes for the RG3 type of mobile QB busts you might point to in comparison with Murray. Nobody knows what Kyler (or Rosen) will be at this point. Only time will tell on both of them.

That’s fair but the “boatload” you can point too would not have the meaningfulness as a comparison. I use RG3 as a comparison of his being fragile and most of those mobile quarterbacks don’t have the staying power of say a Tom Brady. Sure there are plenty of pocket passers who never amounted to anything but preference would be to have that more prototypical QB. As you said, right now it’s all speculation. Hopefully in hindsight we made the right decision.

 

[Buckybird]

Calling Rosen not a fit at this time is proposterous

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And saying he is a fit at this time is proposterous as well imo.

All I know is that Rosen has never produced (college/NFL) even remotely close to any of those top tier QBs in the Air Raid offense...never!

No, I haven’t soured on Rosen but I do feel Murray could maximize K2’s offense more than Rosen. My opinion

 

[Buckybird]

Maybe we should’ve lured Lincoln Riley away from OU with the Brink$ truck then taken Murray, since he’s a proven winner & K2 hasn’t been.

Hmmmm

 

[dscher]

If the Cards do trade Rosen for the 17th pick and draft Murray (insanity...oh the horror.....) that means Cards end up with a very risky rookie QB and miss out on one of the possible top defensive draft picks in the draft.Questionable thinking IMHO.
What happens if Murray isn`t ready to start and has to be 2nd QB for weeks...…..Hundley is not a QB that seems like anything more than solid backup/spot starter.Might be okay for a couple of weeks .

It is what it is man.. gotta trust the process. That's whether they draft Murray or keep Rosen. It's just means they think more highly of one more than the other to run the offense. Just gotta go with it and trust the gut of the head coach and the front office for what they think is best..whether it turns out positive or not. Jmo.

 

[dscher]

Not sure what’s worse: the take, or that people actually buy it?

You don't think players can think this way?! Not saying this is true or not... It's just that it doesn't mean it's not true. Imo