The Official Beanie Wells To The Cardinals Thread

[moklerman]

Wow. I don't have a problem with the Wells pick. I just don't understand the immediate anointing of him as the second coming of Jim Brown. Ohio State is a hyped up team in an inflated conference. It is a standing joke that everyone at Ohio State runs a sub 4.4 during spring drills. Ask the 97,000 fans who showed up for their practice game this weekend. See their post season performances and their lack of "stars" in the NFL. So that is the non superficial insight that I am using.

The only one that I've seen comparing him to Jim Brown was Archie Griffin. Has anyone else been saying the same or just hoping he's right?

I'm with you on being hesitant about any star college back coming into the NFL because it's generally just too hard to calculate who he's running against. Heck, JJ was a downright stud at Cal and looked like a man among boys in the Holiday Bowl vs. BYU and I really thought he would be a solid starter even before he was drafted to the Cardinals.

But, I am curious if you have any strong allegiances in terms of college teams/conferences. I've certainly found that most guys who have them just can't be objective when it comes to their enemies. If you love Michigan you have to hate Ohio. USC hates UCLA. This conference hates that conference, etc. I'm not saying that's your viewpoint but I would certainly be interested to know if you would consider yourself to having any of those biases.

In this particular regard I consider myself lucky because no matter where a player comes from, I've got no built in hangup about him.

 

[moklerman]

That was John Omohundro, the Cardinals trainer for 36 years and also happens to be Jim O's dad.

John Lott is the team's strength and conditioning coach and I don't see him retiring anytime soon. He's one of those guys that just loves his job too much.

Thanks, EA. At least they were both named John so there is some kind of rationalization for why I was thinking that. I suppose it's a universal feeling but I'm glad Lott isn't going anywhere. I've been real impressed with him since hopping on board in '05.

With all the turnover going on with the coaching I was concerned with losing Lott as well and was surprised that there wasn't more talk about him leaving. Glad I got the names confused.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Ted Ginn had a nice second year. He averaged 14+ ypc and had 56 catches.He's an emerging talent. You can throw out his 1st year because he was a rookie and i can't even name who the QB was. Other OSU guys:
Mangold-a top flight center
Clements- signed a record deal for CB's awhile back.
Chris Gamble-re-signed a big deal with Carolina. One of the ebst young CB's in the game.
Anthony Gonzales- watch him break out this year with Harrison gone.
AJ Hawk-has been starting from day 1.
Pace- perrenial all-pro in his day
Whitner-starter from day 1
Galloway-was one of the games best deep threats
Will Smith-starter from day 1,re-signed huge deal in NO.
Mike Nugent-not great but won kicking job as a rookie.
Bentley- best C in the game until injured
Na'll Diggs-been a starting LB for years
Santonio Holmes-we all know about him.
Michael Jenkins- starter and prodcutive #2 WR.
Shawn Springs- has been one of the better CB's over the years.
Mike Vrabel-he's been a vital part of multiple Super Bowl winners.
Antoine Winfield-pro bowl CB, my favortie CB in the league.

i don't see too many so-called busts in that group. In fact i see many very porductive, top-shelf NFL players. There may not be a ton of "superstars" but there are too many of them around anyway.

 

[Southpaw]

The only one that I've seen comparing him to Jim Brown was Archie Griffin. Has anyone else been saying the same or just hoping he's right?

I'm with you on being hesitant about any star college back coming into the NFL because it's generally just too hard to calculate who he's running against. Heck, JJ was a downright stud at Cal and looked like a man among boys in the Holiday Bowl vs. BYU and I really thought he would be a solid starter even before he was drafted to the Cardinals.

But, I am curious if you have any strong allegiances in terms of college teams/conferences. I've certainly found that most guys who have them just can't be objective when it comes to their enemies. If you love Michigan you have to hate Ohio. USC hates UCLA. This conference hates that conference, etc. I'm not saying that's your viewpoint but I would certainly be interested to know if you would consider yourself to having any of those biases.

In this particular regard I consider myself lucky because no matter where a player comes from, I've got no built in hangup about him.

Sure I have biases and opinions. Here are some of mine.

1. Big 10 is a sloooooow conference. Very rarely translates to NFL speed.
2. SEC is a speed conference that also plays good fast NFL style defense.
3. ACC doesn't bother to play offense. Very much a defense oriented conference. Plays with NFL speed on defense.
4. Big 12 plays NFL speed offense and very little defense.
5. Pac 10 plays NFL offense with speed. Doesn't know how to spell defense.

When I see player evaluations, these are the factors I consider for where these guys fit in the NFL. The most difficult thing to do in the NFL is score and that is because of the defense speed. Everything in the NFL is nothing like a player sees in college. If Chris Wells is playing with speed and power against a bunch of Clydesdales in college, he and the fans can't automatically expect the same dominance in the NFL. The only two tall backs I can remember having major success in the NFL were Eddie George and Eric Dickerson and Eddie George may be the last good back to come out of the Big 10 IIRC. Steven Jackson plays tall and spends a lot of time on the DL and that is the comparison I hear most often.

Someone took objection when I said I liked Shonn Greene better than Wells. That is not what I said. I thought in the 2nd round Greene was a better value and someone who I thought translated to the NFL better. Wells is the better name and comes with more fanfare. I hope he is hugely successful, but my bias doesn't indicate that. I really do hope I am wrong on this.

 

[Southpaw]

Ted Ginn had a nice second year. He averaged 14+ ypc and had 56 catches.He's an emerging talent. You can throw out his 1st year because he was a rookie and i can't even name who the QB was. Other OSU guys:
Mangold-a top flight center
Clements- signed a record deal for CB's awhile back.
Chris Gamble-re-signed a big deal with Carolina. One of the ebst young CB's in the game.
Anthony Gonzales- watch him break out this year with Harrison gone.
AJ Hawk-has been starting from day 1.
Pace- perrenial all-pro in his day
Whitner-starter from day 1
Galloway-was one of the games best deep threats
Will Smith-starter from day 1,re-signed huge deal in NO.
Mike Nugent-not great but won kicking job as a rookie.
Bentley- best C in the game until injured
Na'll Diggs-been a starting LB for years
Santonio Holmes-we all know about him.
Michael Jenkins- starter and prodcutive #2 WR.
Shawn Springs- has been one of the better CB's over the years.
Mike Vrabel-he's been a vital part of multiple Super Bowl winners.
Antoine Winfield-pro bowl CB, my favortie CB in the league.

i don't see too many so-called busts in that group. In fact i see many very porductive, top-shelf NFL players. There may not be a ton of "superstars" but there are too many of them around anyway.

Come on Cbus, you actually have more bias for the Bugeyes than I have for The Canes.

Do you want me to build a Canes list for you? ( last count was 56 Canes in the NFL whoo hoo ). ( This year does not count, they suck )

and BTW, Ginn was the 9th overall pick of the draft and he is so soft. He is the most despised player by Miami Dolphin fanbase. He is the reason they use to explain why Cam Cameron was fired. When, pre draft, a local radio show asked callers to pick the worst draft day bust in Dolphin history, Ginn made the top 3 and he is still on the roster. To say Ginn is not Parcell's fave is an understatement.

Your list is a good list of NFL players although most will never get a trip to Hawaii unless they buy their own ticket, but that spans a lot of years and really doesn't live up to the elevated status of the Big 11.

 

[Duckjake]

Look at how he just pushs the pile and invites contact. Totally contrary to the soft label he has been unfairly given IMHO. Go to 2 mins and 20 seconds in. Sick. And that break away speed. I talk to OSU fans and to a man they think he is going to be all time in the show. Other then Leinart I have never been this excited for a first round pick.

A RB being knocked for avoiding contact? I thought that was what he was supposed to do. We didn't draft Larry Kinnebrew or Mike Alstott. We already have a problem with a star player being hurt because he likes to run into people.

Watch a recent video of Earl Campbell if you think running out of bounds instead of bashing ahead for 1-2 more yards every carry is a bad idea.

Anyone who has ever run the football knows how hard it is to stop and cut back after a 20 yard sprint. That ability made Reggie Bush a multi-millionaire.

But regardless I don't care if the guy runs out of bounds or is soft. Check the videos again and watch CW make the first guy miss. His lateral movement and vision to see the open spot in the line appear to be excellent. That's what you need to do to be successful running the football for Arizona. That is what Edge has done so well. He just couldn't take it to the house once he got into the open. Wells can.

I do agree with Wallyburger's point about tall RBs. Peterson, Jackson, and others over 6' do seem to have more injury problems.

 

[moklerman]

Sure I have biases and opinions. Here are some of mine.

1. Big 10 is a sloooooow conference. Very rarely translates to NFL speed.
2. SEC is a speed conference that also plays good fast NFL style defense.
3. ACC doesn't bother to play offense. Very much a defense oriented conference. Plays with NFL speed on defense.
4. Big 12 plays NFL speed offense and very little defense.
5. Pac 10 plays NFL offense with speed. Doesn't know how to spell defense.

When I see player evaluations, these are the factors I consider for where these guys fit in the NFL. The most difficult thing to do in the NFL is score and that is because of the defense speed. Everything in the NFL is nothing like a player sees in college. If Chris Wells is playing with speed and power against a bunch of Clydesdales in college, he and the fans can't automatically expect the same dominance in the NFL. The only two tall backs I can remember having major success in the NFL were Eddie George and Eric Dickerson and Eddie George may be the last good back to come out of the Big 10 IIRC. Steven Jackson plays tall and spends a lot of time on the DL and that is the comparison I hear most often.

Someone took objection when I said I liked Shonn Greene better than Wells. That is not what I said. I thought in the 2nd round Greene was a better value and someone who I thought translated to the NFL better. Wells is the better name and comes with more fanfare. I hope he is hugely successful, but my bias doesn't indicate that. I really do hope I am wrong on this.

I appreciate the opinions. I'm sure you're much more familiar with college football than I am. My instinct is that your biases/generalizations might be limiting your overall evaluation but it's all just guesswork for all of us so please understand that it's not a knock on your opinion just an observation about biases.

We all obviously hope that Wells isn't going to be as brittle as Jackson has been but if he runs like Jackson does when healthy, I'd certainly be happy. Eddie George was never a favorite of mine. He was pretty durable for most of his career but his 2.9 ypc never impressed me. You have to respect being able to carry the ball 400 times a year but he was never anything more than a workhorse IMO. I really hope Wells is much more of a playmaker.

I just don't feel that it's fair to speculate about Wells on anything but Wells. It really doesn't matter what other Ohio players have done in the past, it's all about Wells' potential/ability and the system that he will be in. While watching his highlights I was thinking that most people probably didn't envision him going to the type of offense that the Cardinals currently have. Baltimore or a team like that seems like the projected fit for him but I think he's going to be a nice surprise for Cardinals fans.

 

[Totally_Red]

A RB being knocked for avoiding contact? I thought that was what he was supposed to do. We didn't draft Larry Kinnebrew or Mike Alstott. We already have a problem with a star player being hurt because he likes to run into people.

Watch a recent video of Earl Campbell if you think running out of bounds instead of bashing ahead for 1-2 more yards every carry is a bad idea.

Anyone who has ever run the football knows how hard it is to stop and cut back after a 20 yard sprint. That ability made Reggie Bush a multi-millionaire.

But regardless I don't care if the guy runs out of bounds or is soft. Check the videos again and watch CW make the first guy miss. His lateral movement and vision to see the open spot in the line appear to be excellent. That's what you need to do to be successful running the football for Arizona. That is what Edge has done so well. He just couldn't take it to the house once he got into the open. Wells can.

I do agree with Wallyburger's point about tall RBs. Peterson, Jackson, and others over 6' do seem to have more injury problems.

Yup! It depends on the situation. I'll always knock J.J. for avoiding contact in a crucial third and 2 situation. But there are other situations where you have a big lead and step out of bounds. I've seen Marshall Faulk do that on occasion, and he was one of the smartest running backs out there. It goes back to being tough AND SMART IMO.

 

[Covert Rain]

Great pick and in the Steelers mold as well. There is no doubt that this team could use another power back. He will be better then Hightower but both of them together should improve the running game. Plus, Wells has something that Hightower doesn't have and that is break away speed.

 

[jf-08]

Wells will be our Shaun Alexander.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Wow. I don't have a problem with the Wells pick. I just don't understand the immediate anointing of him as the second coming of Jim Brown. Ohio State is a hyped up team in an inflated conference. It is a standing joke that everyone at Ohio State runs a sub 4.4 during spring drills. Ask the 97,000 fans who showed up for their practice game this weekend. See their post season performances and their lack of "stars" in the NFL. So that is the non superficial insight that I am using.

Amazing that some fans take this draft process so seriously, and you come off as uberserious. It is opinions and difference of opinions. That's all it is. Your insight is no more accurate than mine, but I would stake mine against yours anytime.

Being a South Florida resident should give some insight into All World players from Ohio State who were labeled can't miss. How is Ted Ginn Jr. doing?

I hope Chris Wells breaks the pattern of Big 11 busts, but until he does , I'll just keep my expectations a bit lower than yours.

Typical SEC/Florida schools fare

Living out here in South Florida I am well aware of Ted Ginn. Ted Ginn was NEVER polished as a WR. And that has played out in his career. That pick was a total reach at #9 and a much more accomplished WR like Maclin with a similar skill set even fell this past draft. That was the Dolphins ignorance. Not the pick.

And you did see Ginn run one back against UF right. Didn’t seem like he was slow there.

Yes – overall – the Big 10 is a more plodding conference then the all world SEC (bow down!) but its also on a case by case basis. Making all over genralizations as a reason a pick is a good or a bad one is “superficial” reasoning. Beanie at the last second went to OSU over SC after being the #2 or #3 overall recruit. Did he get slower because he went to OSU? Are you telling me one of the best athletes in the nation in Terrelle Pryor wouldn’t be a star at Florida?

Echh. Living here in South Florida all I hear is this crap about the SEC conference and Florida schools in general being “on a another level” What BS. Beanie Wells went for close to 200 yard against the vaunted LSU defense and I bet my house USC would have destroyed Florida this year if they played on a neutral field. If you can’t tell this mindset drives me nuts.

Any way back to the point. Wells was a top 5 pick last year because of production, speed, and size. His stock dropped because of nagging injuries (my only concern), guys in the box loading up for him an Pryor, and a inexperienced Oline. And he still tore it up.

His loss is our gain. I am okay with being skeptical because you have concerns about his attitude, running style fit, or injury concerns. The he played in the Big 10 argument just sucks. There have been good players and bad players out of every conference. Larry Jonson and Eddie George have been pretty good right? I think Wells athletically is closer to them then he is an Enis or Dayne.

BTW anyone listening to Dan Patrick this morning? I called in because he said we fell asleep at the wheel by letting Donald Brown get drafted ahead of us.

I kindly reminded him the level of prospect we got ay #31. And that what it comes down to. In terms of talent and production (at a big school) there might NEVER have been as good a value at that spot. But a confluence of circumstances led to him falling.

He is our Randy Moss. Just watch.

 

[Duckjake]

Yup! It depends on the situation. I'll always knock J.J. for avoiding contact in a crucial third and 2 situation. But there are other situations where you have a big lead and step out of bounds. I've seen Marshall Faulk do that on occasion, and he was one of the smartest running backs out there. It goes back to being tough AND SMART IMO.

Exactly. There is a huge difference between taking a dive in front of a tackler or, as some have said about JJ being air tackled, and running out of bounds at full speed after a 10,20,30 yard run.

Many people just don't understand how hard it is to change direction going full speed. Reggie Bush and Devin Hester are guys who can do that. Not many others can. Its even harder when you have a 190-215lb guy pushing you toward the sideline.

 

[Totally_Red]

Typical SEC/Florida schools fare

Living out here in South Florida I am well aware of Ted Ginn. Ted Ginn was NEVER polished as a WR. And that has played out in his career. That pick was a total reach at #9 and a much more accomplished WR like Maclin with a similar skill set even fell this past draft. That was the Dolphins ignorance. Not the pick.

And you did see Ginn run one back against UF right. Didn’t seem like he was slow there.

Yes – overall – the Big 10 is a more plodding conference then the all world SEC (bow down!) but its also on a case by case basis. Making all over genralizations as a reason a pick is a good or a bad one is “superficial” reasoning. Beanie at the last second went to OSU over SC after being the #2 or #3 overall recruit. Did he get slower because he went to OSU? Are you telling me one of the best athletes in the nation in Terrelle Pryor wouldn’t be a star at Florida?

Echh. Living here in South Florida all I hear is this crap about the SEC conference and Florida schools in general being “on a another level” What BS. Beanie Wells went for close to 200 yard against the vaunted LSU defense and I bet my house USC would have destroyed Florida this year if they played on a neutral field. If you can’t tell this mindset drives me nuts.

Any way back to the point. Wells was a top 5 pick last year because of production, speed, and size. His stock dropped because of nagging injuries (my only concern), guys in the box loading up for him an Pryor, and a inexperienced Oline. And he still tore it up.

His loss is our gain. I am okay with being skeptical because you have concerns about his attitude, running style fit, or injury concerns. The he played in the Big 10 argument just sucks. There have been good players and bad players out of every conference. Larry Jonson and Eddie George have been pretty good right? I think Wells athletically is closer to them then he is an Enis or Dayne.

BTW anyone listening to Dan Patrick this morning? I called in because he said we fell asleep at the wheel by letting Donald Brown get drafted ahead of us.

I kindly reminded him the level of prospect we got ay #31. And that what it comes down to. In terms of talent and production (at a big school) there might NEVER have been as good a value at that spot. But a confluence of circumstances led to him falling.

He is our Randy Moss. Just watch.

Bizarre! The Cardinals probably would have preferred Donald Brown, but I doubt if they consider Donald Brown better than Chris Wells AND Rashad Johnson.

 

[football karma]

I remember people in St. Louis bitching about OJ Anderson going out of bounds after a 15 yard run rather than take a hit to make it a 17 yard run.

I would take some of that again.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Bizarre! The Cardinals probably would have preferred Donald Brown, but I doubt if they consider Donald Brown better than Chris Wells AND Rashad Johnson.

I am of the camp that they may have preferred Brown but it wouldn't have been for football reasons IMHO. Brown was a very intelligent kid with strong work ethic and the kind of guy you want your sister to marry. All the intangibles you want.

But with Wiz now in tow and being a strong coach with a firm hand, I'll take the Top 5 talent every day of the week and take the chance that the coaching staff will get the most out of him.

Ahhh....What a difference good coaching makes.

 

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Arizona's Finest View Post
Typical SEC/Florida schools fare

Living out here in South Florida I am well aware of Ted Ginn. Ted Ginn was NEVER polished as a WR. And that has played out in his career. That pick was a total reach at #9 and a much more accomplished WR like Maclin with a similar skill set even fell this past draft. That was the Dolphins ignorance. Not the pick.

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And you did see Ginn run one back against UF right. Didn’t seem like he was slow there.

Didn't say he was slow. What I said was ,playing against slower LBs, DBs etc. is not an indicator of his skill set. He rounds out routes, cuts them off , can't separate in the NFL. That is not worthy of a #9 overall pick. So what was it Cam Cameron and the Dolphins saw. According to Cam, it was the aura of OSU and he was dazzled by it.

Yes – overall – the Big 10 is a more plodding conference then the all world SEC (bow down!) but its also on a case by case basis. Making all over genralizations as a reason a pick is a good or a bad one is “superficial” reasoning. Beanie at the last second went to OSU over SC after being the #2 or #3 overall recruit. Did he get slower because he went to OSU? Are you telling me one of the best athletes in the nation in Terrelle Pryor wouldn’t be a star at Florida?

I did not say it was a bad pick. Others are making it seem I said that. I said the jury should be out on him before pencilling him in and annointing him ROTY.

Echh. Living here in South Florida all I hear is this crap about the SEC conference and Florida schools in general being “on a another level” What BS. Beanie Wells went for close to 200 yard against the vaunted LSU defense and I bet my house USC would have destroyed Florida this year if they played on a neutral field. If you can’t tell this mindset drives me nuts.

If you live here and don't understand the concept of Florida speed, then you aren't looking very hard at the picture. All the major colleges recruit down here with most of them staying in the home state. Those that drift out of state have good reasons. The NFL is chock full of Florida players, so what is it you don't see. Texas and California also load up the NFL rosters. These are places where the kids can play most of the year and not have to take the winter off. Kust a helluva lot more reps.

Any way back to the point. Wells was a top 5 pick last year because of production, speed, and size. His stock dropped because of nagging injuries (my only concern), guys in the box loading up for him an Pryor, and a inexperienced Oline. And he still tore it up.

He was projected as a top 5 pick last year by who? Draftniks? Same ones who said he "fell" this year. He tore it up against questionable defenses.

His loss is our gain. I am okay with being skeptical because you have concerns about his attitude, running style fit, or injury concerns. The he played in the Big 10 argument just sucks. There have been good players and bad players out of every conference. Larry Jonson and Eddie George have been pretty good right? I think Wells athletically is closer to them then he is an Enis or Dayne.

It's not an argument and you are making a mountain out of a molehill. He is a very good athlete, and might have been the BPA at 31. Is he much better than Shonn Greene or others drafted below him. I don't know yet. Do you? I do know he is the 3rd back taken and only New Orleans was the logical team to have interest in him after the Cards and that was with a 2nd round pick. Drafting him in the first round will cost the Cards a lot more money than if he was able to be grabbed at the top of thew second. If the Steelers wanted to grab him with 32 then my opinion is moot. Neither of us know.

BTW, using Larry Johnson as an example is n ot such a good idea. It took him 3 uyears to do anything and now he is one of the biggest PITA s in the NFL. He has talent, but.....

BTW anyone listening to Dan Patrick this morning? I called in because he said we fell asleep at the wheel by letting Donald Brown get drafted ahead of us.

I trust Dan Patrick more than you.

I kindly reminded him the level of prospect we got ay #31. And that what it comes down to. In terms of talent and production (at a big school) there might NEVER have been as good a value at that spot. But a confluence of circumstances led to him falling.

Yup, 31 stupid teams passed on him.

He is our Randy Moss. Just watch.

That is a weird comparison. Way too weird. Randy dropped because he was a headcase borderline criminal. Nothing indicates Chris Wells is the same.

Do you know that Wells had 15 receptions in his entire 3 year career? Does he pick up the blitz, because Warner and this offense needs that? He has a few warts, just like the rest of them.

Go Wells.
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[Southpaw]

I am of the camp that they may have preferred Brown but it wouldn't have been for football reasons IMHO. Brown was a very intelligent kid with strong work ethic and the kind of guy you want your sister to marry. All the intangibles you want.

But with Wiz now in tow and being a strong coach with a firm hand, I'll take the Top 5 talent every day of the week and take the chance that the coaching staff will get the most out of him.

Ahhh....What a difference good coaching makes.

I thought Coach Sweatervest Tressell was the best out there

 

[chickenhead]

I like the pick. I am excited to see the Cards begin games with long drives, and close them out with the same. With Fitz, Boldin, and Breaston hauling in a few TDs in between. As hard as it seems to believe at times, there was room to improve with this offense, and this could be that improvement.

 

[blindseyed]

As long as he can stay healthy and not get hurt or at least overcome injury he can be great and we could have a solid RB tandem.

 

[Duckjake]

I did not say it was a bad pick. Others are making it seem I said that. I said the jury should be out on him before penciling him in and anointing him ROTY.

What's wrong with that? We're Cardinal fans. Die hard fans at that. Its what we do. Especially now that we are fans of the NFC Champion Arizona Cardinals.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I thought Coach Sweatervest Tressell was the best out there

you've never heard me say many good things about him. I also heard Dan Patrick on that. I'm willing to bet Dan Patrick didn't know who Donald Brown even was until late February. So, no, i don't count his opinion at all.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

He was projected as a top 5 pick last year by who? Draftniks? Same ones who said he "fell" this year. He tore it up against questionable defenses.




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I don't really agree with anything you said (other then Florida produces fast kids - this I know) but I will highlight this as it tells me you don't watch much football around the nation outside of Miami and SEC football. Which would make you just like every other college football fan I know out here.

Here are his stats. You tell me what teams he played well against and which his numbers were more pedestrain. His stats are mind boggling when compared to the levels of teams he played as most were ranked at the time.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183932

And just to cut off your argument before it gets started as that he did it against slow Big 10 teams. He ran it up on LSU and Texas as well.

Its okay to not annoit him ROTY the day after he is drafted. But if you are a Cardinal fan - and I am assuming you are - then you should be very excited for this pick.

And the Randy Moss comparison was because he was a freakish athlete who fell because of blown out of proportions "issues". And he had a HUMOUNGOUS impact on the offense in Minny. Same with Wells IMO. Thats the only correlation I am making.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I thought Coach Sweatervest Tressell was the best out there

I lost all faith in Tressel as anything more then a guy with a great system the minute after the UF title game which was reinfoced after the LSU game as well.

He doesn't know how to adjust. Period.

 

[Southpaw]

I don't really agree with anything you said (other then Florida produces fast kids - this I know) but I will highlight this as it tells me you don't watch much football around the nation outside of Miami and SEC football. Which would make you just like every other college football fan I know out here.

Here are his stats. You tell me what teams he played well against and which his numbers were more pedestrain. His stats are mind boggling when compared to the levels of teams he played as most were ranked at the time.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183932

And just to cut off your argument before it gets started as that he did it against slow Big 10 teams. He ran it up on LSU and Texas as well.

Its okay to not annoit him ROTY the day after he is drafted. But if you are a Cardinal fan - and I am assuming you are - then you should be very excited for this pick.

And the Randy Moss comparison was because he was a freakish athlete who fell because of blown out of proportions "issues". And he had a HUMOUNGOUS impact on the offense in Minny. Same with Wells IMO. Thats the only correlation I am making.

Out of curiosity. How old are you?

You are totally wrong about watching National football. I subscribe to ESPN Gameplan and catch a bunch of games, so maybe you can stop with the insults and make this a discussion. Otherwise, don't bother. You should know that the Comcast Fox Sports plan, in South Florida also carries a slew of west coast games and rerun them all week. So yes , with the aid of my Digital DVDR , I get to watch more than Miami and SEC games. A lot more.

Well they got beaten by Texas and when did they play LSU? I have already said no one in the Big 12 plays defense, including Texas. Texas Tech ran on Texas and they can't run if you ask most people on here. I disagree, but that is a comparison.

As far as the issue of automatically, because I am a Cardinal fan, being very excited, I have watched most Cardinal draft choices through the years turn out to be clunkers. I am still a Cards fan, but I don't take things as automatic. Enjoy your excitement all you want.

BTW, why are you living in Florida anyway? You don't seem to like much about it.

 

[Mulli]

That "why are you living in Florida" line was funny.