The Official "Fire Coach Ken Whisenhunt" Thread

[splitsecond]

I am all in. Graves and Grimm need to go if they are intent on giving Whiz another years

 

[Assface]

Dave McGuinnes all over again... probably give Graves an extension while they're at it!

Ugh. Pick out the assistant coaching the worst unit of a bad team and make him the new head coach.

 

[Dayman]

Every week it gets tougher to identify Whis' strengths.

-Game management? Not even attempting an onside kick was yet another weekly head scratcher.

-Motivator? It's hard to say that guys are motivated when you look at some of the weak tackling attempts out there.

-Innovative offensive mind? Defenses rarely seem surprised by any of our plays.

-Player development? When guys like Porter, Hadnot and Lenon are starting, something is wrong with the young guys.

-Player evaluation? Too many blown draft picks and solid players miscast in the wrong scheme.

-Coach evaluation? Does Horton bring anything we haven't seen before? Does Miller bring anything of his own to the table?

Outside of resting on his laurels, I'm just not sure what Whis does well anymore.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Outside of resting on his laurels, I'm just not sure what Whis does well anymore.

He's really good at scripting and then acting out the same postgame press conference after each loss. So there is that.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

He's really good at scripting and then acting out the same postgame press conference after each loss. So there is that.

I thought those were re-runs? I was under the impression, to save a little bit of money, management decided to run the same post game conference after every game? Fooled me

 

[D-Dogg]

Wow. I'm not there yet but I'm damn close.

If whis has the sack to fire Grimm and hire are REAL effing OC, one that he can't just dryhump into calling the plays he wants him to, well...then I'll be ok with Whis as HC.

But he's a hop skip and two blowouts from me calling for his head. (I have already conceded a blowout in B'more.

nevermind. I'm there.

He's an effing egomaniac and won't ever take responsibility for his mistakes. Just pounds the system and execution. At this point, if they can't execute in the system, you fix the muffing system so the players can execute. It's SQUARELY ON HIS SHOULDERS and he shakes it off like water on a duck. Ef that.

I'm totally out. He's systematically dismantled a super bowl talent team that was built for him and turned them into a total piece of crap with the spine of a jellyfish.

one heart murmur all over again.

 

[NWCardFan]

My issue is Whis keeps saying the same thing over and over about the system but the system doesn't work. I hate to say this but I think he has lost the players. I think as a coach, he can't get them motivated to play without the mistakes and it would be hard to argue that he is using the talent correctly. He certainly isn't fooling the defense of the opposing team with his innovative prowess. I think with many coaches, after a team has lost for a while, the players just kind of accept losing and roll over and float to the top of the pond. I might not pull the trigger now but the way this season is going, it is clear we will need to go in a "different direction" at the conclusion of the this season. I wish we could guarantee Graves would be on the same bus out of town as Whis and his staff. Someone else mentioned Gruden or Cowher. Both would be good choices even at the high price they would no doubt command. I'm open to any coach who can motivate and understands X's and O's. Whis has lost this team and has to go.

They are not the most talented but Whisenhunt has to be measured on what he is able to accomplish with what he has verses the rest of the league. At this point, he gets an F.

 

[Shzm13]

le bump

 

[b8rtm8nn]

dunno...hard to fault Horton on his first gig and without an off-season, though change of personnel is coming really slowly

offensive playcalling and personnel is terrible - but why fire Whiz when you can fire Graves? Would a decent GM think that Mike Miller would make a good OC? Would a decent GM allow the terrible line play year and year?

 

[desertdawg]

I think homie is on his way out.

 

[Buckybird]

I think homie is on his way out.

if we lose any of the Lambs games & finish with 4 or less wins I think it's a given

 

[DeAnna]

Whis is not going anywhere (at least not this season).

They do need to hire a true OC - the play calling on that last drive from their own end zone was horrific.

 

[Zeno]

I have had it with him, but it won't make a bit of difference if he is let go and Graves stays on.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

I have had it with him, but it won't make a bit of difference if he is let go and Graves stays on.

Yup - I hope he stays and Grimm is gone, a real OC is hired and someone is put in charge of players that isn't named Whis - all assuming Graves isn't let go.

If we get rid of Whiz, we are playing roulette with Graves making the guess.

 

[THESMEL]

WE need a GM now to make that decision- when and where.

 

[football karma]

I have had it with him, but it won't make a bit of difference if he is let go and Graves stays on.

If you want to see this team get better, you don't want Whisenhunt fired.

Firing Whis saves Rod Graves.

If you want this team to be better, you have to start with Graves. You then let whomever you hire decide Whis' fate.

 

[Covert Rain]

I might be one of the few Whis supporters left. He doesn't have all the horses he needs. The Cards drafts have been suspect. They need to get a new scouting department and new GM first long before they fire Whis. I have a feeling if they fire Whis they will look for a bargain at HC and underpay that coaches assistants and we will start the cycle all over again.

 

[D-Dogg]

I might be one of the few Whis supporters left. He doesn't have all the horses he needs. The Cards drafts have been suspect. They need to get a new scouting department and new GM first long before they fire Whis. I have a feeling if they fire Whis they will look for a bargain at HC and underpay that coaches assistants and we will start the cycle all over again.

Daren, I'd agree with this if it weren't for the part where he's getting the horses he wants. Rod Graves isn't trolling the Steelers retirement homes of his own volition.

Whis wanted Kolb...he must mold him into a good QB. So far, it isn't working.

His good buddy is the OL coach and assistant HC, and has been a complete flop, from Levi on through to terrible strategy against top tier pass rushers, but Whis lets him skate every season. Not to mention they haven't even sniffed around any FA tackles, because in Whis' words "I am confident in the guys we have." And yes, I heard him say this in person, prior to free agency.

So while I would LOVE to agree, I can't. It isn't the horses, it's the trainer.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

So while I would LOVE to agree, I can't. It isn't the horses, it's the trainer.

And the guy that is supposed to be keeping an eye on the trainer.

I'd be fine firing Whiz right now if it was someone competent making the decision on that and his replacement. Such a person does not exist in the Cardinal front office.

 

[chickenhead]

I agree with all those who say that the GM is the issue. A real GM who improves the scouting department, insists on a real OC, and does not have a loyalty to Pittsburgh castoffs? Sign me up.

 

[conraddobler]

If you want to see this team get better, you don't want Whisenhunt fired.

Firing Whis saves Rod Graves.

If you want this team to be better, you have to start with Graves. You then let whomever you hire decide Whis' fate.

This makes too much sense to ever happen.

 

[D-Dogg]

And the guy that is supposed to be keeping an eye on the trainer.

I'd be fine firing Whiz right now if it was someone competent making the decision on that and his replacement. Such a person does not exist in the Cardinal front office.

I agree with all those who say that the GM is the issue. A real GM who improves the scouting department, insists on a real OC, and does not have a loyalty to Pittsburgh castoffs? Sign me up.

You mean a GM who is not a coach mouthpiece, right? Because that is what Graves is. He does what the coaches tell him to do. Again, he isn't trolling Steeler old farts because it is his idea.

Yes, he does suck and yes, he needs to go. He's a yes-man to the people above him and a yes-man to the people below him...thus he gives us nothing of value. However, the coach in his ear making the personnel calls is not absolved because he can get the GM to make crappy FA acquisitions on his behalf.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

You mean a GM who is not a coach mouthpiece, right? Because that is what Graves is. He does what the coaches tell him to do. Again, he isn't trolling Steeler old farts because it is his idea.

Yes, he does suck and yes, he needs to go. He's a yes-man to the people above him and a yes-man to the people below him...thus he gives us nothing of value. However, the coach in his ear making the personnel calls is not absolved because he can get the GM to make crappy FA acquisitions on his behalf.

Great. So we can Whisenhunt in your world. Then guess who makes the decision on our next head coach? The same incompetent yes-man you're talking about and we are right back here 3-5 years from now.

You can either treat the symptoms or cure the disease. Whisenhunt's offseason blunders are merely a symptom of the disease that is the Graves/Bidwill front office. Find the cure and you'll find that the symptoms just go away.

 

[earthsci]

Great. So we can Whisenhunt in your world. Then guess who makes the decision on our next head coach? The same incompetent yes-man you're talking about and we are right back here 3-5 years from now.

You can either treat the symptoms or cure the disease. Whisenhunt's offseason blunders are merely a symptom of the disease that is the Graves/Bidwill front office. Find the cure and you'll find that the symptoms just go away.

This.

A real GM, a good one should be able to find better players than the coach. Do you think Ron Wolf asked Mike Holmgren that he was trading for Brett Favre or told him? If signing these Steelers castoffs was such an obviously bad move, the GM should not have allowed it. The coach should be telling a real GM the kind of players that he needs. The GM should decide if this is the right course of action and get the best possible options.

Going back to Mike Holmgren, his success as a coach was limited when he was making the personnel calls in Seattle. It wasn't until they stripped him of the GM title that he had the success.

 

[D-Dogg]

Great. So we can Whisenhunt in your world. Then guess who makes the decision on our next head coach? The same incompetent yes-man you're talking about and we are right back here 3-5 years from now.

You can either treat the symptoms or cure the disease. Whisenhunt's offseason blunders are merely a symptom of the disease that is the Graves/Bidwill front office. Find the cure and you'll find that the symptoms just go away.

Nope, in my world we can Graves and then the new GM cans whisenhunt.

That is the only reasonable outcome that offers long-term success.