The Official KVB Injury Update thread....

[AzCards21]

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
Your holier than though sensitivity is what leads to all that violence, and bad vibes that plague manking.

Where can I join this manking group?

Just tryin' to lighten things up Rugby!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by EndZone
Yes we all bleed red..

HUSKER RED!

Sorry bro, but I bleed.......

Maroon

and gold

 

[EndZone]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Sorry bro, but I bleed.......

Maroon

and gold

Ah but Literally you bleed....

HUSKER RED

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
Dependable? Hes hurt every damn year. He would be third string on a team that had any kind of good line.

I was refering to his performance when he has been healthy and on the field (which has obviously not been very often)

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Re: Re: Ridiculous.

Originally posted by kerouac9
Rugby, you crack me up. Watch the tapes from this preaseason, his last two games, with his new bulk/speed/moves/health/development, and you'll see that, with all that going for him, he did nothing. He didn't do anything this preseason. People on this thread posted that he's not a pass rusher. The fact that that's what we drafted him for (with the #2 pick in the second round, no less) notwithstanding, he's not a run-stopper, either. Teams were actively running his way in both games, with holes that you could drive a tractor-trailer through. If he wasn't a pass-rusher, and he couldn't help stop the run, then what did he do besides collect paychecks and have a "non-stop" motor?

Rugby, please tell me what play's he's made in the past year and a half, because I don't remember any. I remember seeing a lot of him running into the frame after the plays were already made. Well done.

If Kenny King and Calvin Pace get two sacks over the sixteen games of 2003, they'll equal KVB's production.

Hmm.
Ok yes King and Pace are good player. I think I pointed that out.
KVB is NOT a superstar but who is better then him on THIS TEAM. Don't start comparing him to other players in the league cause those players ain't on this team.

Last year ? Any play he made last year was good cause he was the only defensive line making plays.

Hey, If we had Marcus Stroud, John Henderson, Mike Strahan, and Julius Peppers on the team. Then sure, KVB would be a bench warmer but the fact is WE DON'T

Who is better than KVB on this team?

Pace? Unproven
King? Unproven
Tanner? Nope, Bell? Nope, Johnson? Nope, Davis? Nope, Wakefield? Nope, and the list goes on!

For the 2003 Arizona Cardinals. KVB going down for the season is a HUGE loss. Depth, and starting team wise. THere is no disputing it.

BTW- This is a great discussion!

Peace

 

[Wild Card]

MRI Results

Torn ACL, possible meniscus damage. MCL is O.K. He's done for the season.

Good luck with the rehab, Kyle. See you in Flagstaff next year.

WC

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Rugby, you crack me up. Watch the tapes from this preaseason, his last two games, with his new bulk/speed/moves/health/development, and you'll see that, with all that going for him, he did nothing. He didn't do anything this preseason.

Kerouac - I didn't see the Dallas game but I imagine KVB didn't play very much. I agree he wasn't doing a whole lot vs. SD but isn't it possible that he was a little rusty considering he hasn't played in a while and given time would have blossomed a bit? That said, I am excited about Pace and King. They are green but rookie DE's have had some success in this league - hell, look at Peppers.

 

[sly fly]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Exactly. The NBA is the best example of this. A lot of white fans, especially older white fans, pull for the white players no matter how bad they stink.

Casey Jacobsen flat out sucks, yet he has more advertising than any other Suns player.

Boy, you just showed your true NBA knowledge there.

Jacobsen sucks? Do you even watch or play ball?

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Rivercard
Kerouac - I didn't see the Dallas game but I imagine KVB didn't play very much. I agree he wasn't doing a whole lot vs. SD but isn't it possible that he was a little rusty considering he hasn't played in a while and given time would have blossomed a bit? That said, I am excited about Pace and King. They are green but rookie DE's have had some success in this league - hell, look at Peppers.

KVB played as much, if not more, than any of the other starters in the Dallas game. I looked at Wendell and Pace at the game, and then the "New and Improved" KVB when I looked at the tape. KVB was a non-factor in the Dallas game. He looked worse than Pace.

No one's making excuses for Dennis Johnson, who has been equally ineffective in the pre-season.

 

[Jim O]

Originally posted by kerouac9
KVB played as much, if not more, than any of the other starters in the Dallas game. I looked at Wendell and Pace at the game, and then the "New and Improved" KVB when I looked at the tape. KVB was a non-factor in the Dallas game. He looked worse than Pace.

No one's making excuses for Dennis Johnson, who has been equally ineffective in the pre-season.

Part of KVB's strength is his endurance. I would bet that he would have been a factor in that Dallas game had he played longer. This guy never tires and when the game gets to the end of the 3rd and in the 4th quarter, the o-linemen from Dallas and other teams would have had a harder time with him.

Ask Anthony Clement and L.J. Shelton about that!

 

[Cheesebeef]

wow - so much animosity without me or Ouchie saying a peep - funny - very funny - continue on Gents - I gotta go.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Jim Omohundro
Part of KVB's strength is his endurance. I would bet that he would have been a factor in that Dallas game had he played longer. This guy never tires and when the game gets to the end of the 3rd and in the 4th quarter, the o-linemen from Dallas and other teams would have had a harder time with him.

Ask Anthony Clement and L.J. Shelton about that!

See, this is something that I don't understand: He's a fine player if you wait until the 4th quarter, after the opposing QB has thrown for 300 yards and 2 TDs and the starting RB has already racked up 80 yards and another 2 TDs. At that point, what does it matter? This offense is not good enough to wait around for opposing offenses to tire out from being on the field for so long.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
wow - so much animosity without me or Ouchie saying a peep - funny - very funny - continue on Gents - I gotta go.

We miss you guys. Come on in the water is good.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Rivercard
We miss you guys. Come on in the water is good.

Well I finally got some needed tension out this weekend - so i just don't have the venom or care to jump into a race conversation today - especially with people who think Van Den Bosch could start on any other team. I feel for KVB, but his loss won't hurt that much.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by sly fly
Boy, you just showed your true NBA knowledge there.

Jacobsen sucks? Do you even watch or play ball?

Actually I watched ever Suns game last year.

Casey won rookie of the year, with his amazing 3 point shot, his shutdown defense, his amazing moves to the basket, and his tremendous ball handling skills.

Casey sucked bad last year.

A shooter who only shoots .379 from the field, .315 from the three, a Shaq-like .686 from the charity stripe.

An assist to turnover ratio of 1:.76.

And what does my not playing ball have anything to do with my judgement of Casey's overall very poor play, and his inability to do what he is supposed to do (hit outside jumpshots)?

Lame response.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Well I finally got some needed tension out this weekend

'Nuff said

 

[Wild Card]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
... people who think Van Den Bosch could start on any other team. I feel for KVB, but his loss won't hurt that much.

It doesn't matter if Kyle VandenBosch could start elsewhere, or not. (I think there are teams where he'd be in the mix if healthy, but that's beside the point.)

What matters is that, until Saturday night, KVB was a starting DE here, with no serious competition for the job. Losing him either keeps Fred Wakefield in a starting role--which most observers seem to have agreed was not desirable--or forces some other reserve d-lineman to step up earlier than expected.

I'm not saying the Cardinals should concede the season, or anything like it. I'm saying that the Cards lost a guy they'd been counting on, and that their defensive line is weaker as a result.

How much weaker? We'll see.

WC

 

[sly fly]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Actually I watched ever Suns game last year.

Casey won rookie of the year, with his amazing 3 point shot, his shutdown defense, his amazing moves to the basket, and his tremendous ball handling skills.

Casey sucked bad last year.

A shooter who only shoots .379 from the field, .315 from the three, a Shaq-like .686 from the charity stripe.

An assist to turnover ratio of 1:.76.

And what does my not playing ball have anything to do with my judgement of Casey's overall very poor play, and his inability to do what he is supposed to do (hit outside jumpshots)?

Lame response.

Rookie, Krang... Rookie.

How many SG's light it up their first year? Please provide me with names and stats. There is always an adjustment period... especially with underclassman.

So, your basically ready to say he "flat-out sucks" after his first year?

You fail to realize that this kid would drop 65 on your melon (and others) before you could even touch him. If you don't believe me, then head down to SoCal and talk to some guys. He's a scorer. He'll need to adjust. But, don't write him off just yet... just because he's white.

(We now take you back to your regularly scheduled program... Cards football. )

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by sly fly
Rookie, Krang... Rookie.

How many SG's light it up their first year? Please provide me with names and stats. There is always an adjustment period... especially with underclassman.

So, your basically ready to say he "flat-out sucks" after his first year?

You fail to realize that this kid would drop 65 on your melon (and others) before you could even touch him. If you don't believe me, then head down to SoCal and talk to some guys. He's a scorer. He'll need to adjust. But, don't write him off just yet... just because he's white.

(We now take you back to your regularly scheduled program... Cards football. )

Again another lame response.

I couldn't care less that he would drop 65 on me. What does that have to do with anything?

And he did suck last year, and he showed that he has extremely limited potential.

And I'm not writing him off because he is white. Nice of you to put words in my mouth, and obviously you don't understand.

Here I will say it again: Casey got more advertising locally because he is white. He was literally the 8th or 9th best player on the team (if not worse) yet he got more advertising than any other player.

Do you understand????????? I hope you do now, so that you can refrain from putting words in my mouth.

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by Wild Card
It doesn't matter if Kyle VandenBosch could start elsewhere, or not. (I think there are teams where he'd be in the mix if healthy, but that's beside the point.)

What matters is that, until Saturday night, KVB was a starting DE here, with no serious competition for the job. Losing him either keeps Fred Wakefield in a starting role--which most observers seem to have agreed was not desirable--or forces some other reserve d-lineman to step up earlier than expected.

I'm not saying the Cardinals should concede the season, or anything like it. I'm saying that the Cards lost a guy they'd been counting on, and that their defensive line is weaker as a result.

How much weaker? We'll see.

WC

He only starts here becuase our line sucks the big one period. He IMO was not worth the second round choice. The guy is injury prone. You guys still love him even though he has barely played over one full season and only has 4 sacks in his career. I just dont understand. The guy is not a good player plain and simple. WC just because he plays here means nothing he still is a horrible pass rusher.

 

[arthurracoon]

Am I on the suns board?

I think Casey sucks, but he could develop into a solid backup in the future.

 

[Jim O]

Originally posted by kerouac9
See, this is something that I don't understand: He's a fine player if you wait until the 4th quarter, after the opposing QB has thrown for 300 yards and 2 TDs and the starting RB has already racked up 80 yards and another 2 TDs. At that point, what does it matter? This offense is not good enough to wait around for opposing offenses to tire out from being on the field for so long.

Just because a guy doesn't get a sack early means that the other team will throw for 300 yards and two TD's?

You've got to be joking!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I'm not going to get into the whole white/black thing but the thing that amazes me is that most everyone likes KVB,who has done nothing,and most everyone thinks Eric Swann is a dog. Swann was a pro bowl player who's career was derailed by knee injuries.I remember reading that he could barley get into a 3-point stance because his knees were so bad and people ripped him for dogging it. When healthy,there was not a more dominant DT in the league..There are even some out there who would rather have KVB starting on a DL instead of Swann.That's insane,football wise, Swann was on a completely different level. Also,to say he dogged it was wrong.The guy played the last few years of his career on one leg and was still the best DL on the team. He just wasn't a rah-rah guy like KVB.I think that is the difference, not a black/white thing.I think the same argument can be made for the perception of Boston and Wadsworth. Just because a guy is a high-motor,in your face attitude type player doesn't mean he wants to win more than a laid back personality type. I'll take the guys who can produce on Sunday and get themselves ready to achieve on the field You can spend as much time in the weight as you want.That doesn't,necessarily,make you a better football player if you can't translate it to the field.

 

[BW52]

I think people like KVB attitude hustle and heart in comparison to some of the previous D-linemen who where not team players or had good attitudes etc;.Players like KVB regardless of color will always be needed on NFL teams.Hustle and heart should always be considered.

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by BW52
I think people like KVB attitude hustle and heart in comparison to some of the previous D-linemen who where not team players or had good attitudes etc;.Players like KVB regardless of color will always be needed on NFL teams.Hustle and heart should always be considered.

Ill tell you one thing he is not needed on this team. We already have people like KVB, they are called waterboys and cheerleaders. The waterboy is always in the weight room and the cheerleaders have that in your face quality and team spirit. There is no need for KVB.