The official Q trade watch thread...

[Spielman]

I didn't want to start a new thread to ask this one question here, so I'll shoe horn it in here.

What if Warner lays down the law and says that he and Q are a package deal? Basically what if Warner says, I'm leaning to retirement unless Q is back in AZ and he's happy?

Would he do that and would that kill any Q trade talk? Would that make the Cardinals more likely to pony up to Q?

I very much doubt it.

I also very much doubt that Warner has leverage, or thinks he has leverage with retirement. The team wouldn't want him signing somewhere else next year because that would look bad, but him choosing to call it quits? They have their QB of the future primed, signed, and ready. I'm sure there's a bunch of people in the Cards FO who would like to see Warner retire just to avoid potential problems.

 

[PJ1]

I didn't want to start a new thread to ask this one question here, so I'll shoe horn it in here.

What if Warner lays down the law and says that he and Q are a package deal? Basically what if Warner says, I'm leaning to retirement unless Q is back in AZ and he's happy?

Would he do that and would that kill any Q trade talk? Would that make the Cardinals more likely to pony up to Q?

If Warner were to say that which I do not believe he would, I would tell him to get lost.

I have a hard time believing Warner will be considering Q when making a decision on what is best for him and his family. That is ridiculous.

 

[anks106]

I am sorry but these player for player trades being discussed are nothing but fantasy. Don’t get me wrong though I don’t want to completely stop the discussion because it is fun to think about. But Player for player trades are few and far between and only happen under certain conditions –

1. Bottom of the roster type guys. Like a 3rd TE for a 8th on the depth chart OL.
2. Unhappy player/contract situation for unhappy player/contract situation. Example – Both Portis and Bailey were due to get big pay days so instead of paying them they decided to trade for a player they were willing to pay.
3. Teams are not going to trade one player creating a need just to fill another need. They still end up having to fill a need, unless they have another player waiting in the wings, again like Denver trading Portis.

So these trades with Zach Miller, Rodgers, Nelson and others who are happy players and their teams are happy with them have a xero percent chance of happening. If you still wish to find a highly unlikely scenario of player for player trade then guys who are disgruntled or looking for new contracts are the only way you can go and look semi-nonfantastical. Players such as Sheppard, guys who get franchised, and so on. But you also have to consider that players contract demands as well, and ask if the Cards would actually give that traded player the contract they are looking for, which would rule out a franchised CB from the Raiders.

Any realistic trade for Boldin will not involve us getting any players in return. That chances of that is 1%. Cue the, “so your saying there is a chance” jokes.

Also unless Jax completely changes the way they do business there is no way they want Boldin and the contract they will have to pony up to get him. Jax is one of the cheapest teams in the league.

Also when was the last time a top 10 pick was traded for a player. First those picks are worth a lot more then people give them credit for, just look at how moany times teams have willingly gave up or traded up into the top 10. Second, do the Cards really want the burden of having to pay and sign in time another top 10 pick?

The teams with the highest possibility of us trading with are the ones who have shown in the past to not be afraid to trade draft picks for players and teams with multiple draft picks as of right now before comp picks are dealt. Those teams are –

Miami – Multiple top 3 round picks and Parcells isn’t afraid to trade at all.
Philly – Multiple picks and Ried and McNabb once again crying for weapons. Also they wanted him last year.
Ravens – GM not afraid to make moves.
Giants – multiple draft picks, big time need at WR, not sure if their GM is prone to making deals though.
Lions – 5 picks in the top 82. Would we really do that to Boldin?
Packers – Multiple picks, but doubtful we want or they are willing to give up the #9 pick.

Agree 99% of the way, but the one realistic possibility IMO is Carlos Rogers. He isn't happy in Washington, although they pick at 13 and don't have a ton of picks. Actually, they also drafted 2 WRs last year, have Santana Moss, and drafted a Receiving TE. Maybe it isn't a great fit.

 

[CtCardinals78]

I didn't want to start a new thread to ask this one question here, so I'll shoe horn it in here.

What if Warner lays down the law and says that he and Q are a package deal? Basically what if Warner says, I'm leaning to retirement unless Q is back in AZ and he's happy?

Would he do that and would that kill any Q trade talk? Would that make the Cardinals more likely to pony up to Q?

I'd say don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out Kurt.

 

[daves]

What if Warner lays down the law and says that he and Q are a package deal? Basically what if Warner says, I'm leaning to retirement unless Q is back in AZ and he's happy?

Would he do that and would that kill any Q trade talk? Would that make the Cardinals more likely to pony up to Q?

I wouldn't consider this "laying down the law", but Warner usually says what he means and chooses his words carefully. And in his situation, it's certainly understandable and reasonable for him to feel this way. See what he had to say at the end of this article:

"It's too key to our success to let Anquan go," Warner said. "I don't know if I'm leaning either direction. But (Boldin's situation) is going to be a key piece to it, whether we can do something as a team like this year.

"If we can keep that together, that excites me about the possibility of coming back. If not, there will be a lot of struggles to overcome that'll make it harder."

 

[Unsterblich856]

Agree 99% of the way, but the one realistic possibility IMO is Carlos Rogers. He isn't happy in Washington, although they pick at 13 and don't have a ton of picks. Actually, they also drafted 2 WRs last year, have Santana Moss, and drafted a Receiving TE. Maybe it isn't a great fit.

Both of their receivers they drafted were simply AWFUL. Malcolm Kelly has dropped more balls than he's caught and is almost never on the field and Devin Thomas only has one more reception than Early Doucet. Santana Moss's numbers are comparable to Steve Breaston's this season. Simply put: they need someone else.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

No to the Seattle deal (for Crabtree). Not only do I not envision Seattle making that deal, sorry but regardless of how personal views of Q have changed, be damned if I want to see him twice a season, and I'm pretty sure the Cardinal brass feels along the same lines. Plus, if Boldin is swapped, I'm imagining that Stevie B. would be getting moved to the starting lineup as the #2.

No to the Gonzalez and swap of seconds deal. Sorry, but to me a top WR is 10 times more valuable to a team than a top 2-3 TE.

I like the Washington deal, but they've already given up their second round pick this year, surrendered in the Jason Taylor deal. Do they really risk going 2 rounds without a pick? I know I'm of the variety that takes a good, younger player over draft picks every day of the week and twice on Sundays, but I'm not certain that the Redskin brass holds my same mindset.. Especially when you consider they spent two Day 1 draft picks on WR last season.

I'm liking the Raider deal. That top pick could net them a stud defensive player, such as Brian Orakapo of Texas, Michael Jenkins of Ohio State, or Aaron Curry of Wake Forest if he should drop.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Miller over Gonzalez???

Absolutely.

Miller's 10 years younger, twice the blocker in both run and pass protection that Gonzalez has been, cheaper and on a team that was as inept as any team in the league in passing the football, managed to have a damn good season.

Put him on this team, utilize his receiving skills and his numbers wind up being better than Gonzalez's. Hell, he actually had more receiving yards per catch this season (13.9) than Gonzalez AND Gates, and he had more recieving yards than Gates.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Miami – Multiple top 3 round picks and Parcells isn’t afraid to trade at all.
Philly – Multiple picks and Ried and McNabb once again crying for weapons. Also they wanted him last year.
Ravens – GM not afraid to make moves.
Giants – multiple draft picks, big time need at WR, not sure if their GM is prone to making deals though.
Lions – 5 picks in the top 82. Would we really do that to Boldin?
Packers – Multiple picks, but doubtful we want or they are willing to give up the #9 pick.

Miami, I wouldn't at ALL be surprised to see them give up their first. They have 2 seconds, they may not be as reluctant to give up that first.

Philly: I like the idea of Sheppard and their second, maybe have provisions put on it where it can become a first?

Baltimore: Another possibility. I'd try and get them to go for a 1st and a provisional second next season, that can turn in to a first if he reaches incentive clauses.

New York: Are they giving up on Burress? That's the one thing I think that is going to keep them from trading for Burress, I think Plex may be on his last legs there, but he's still got ground to stand on.

Detroit: LOL@ sending him to NFL hell.. That'd be the mother of all sac smashers.

Packers: Pretty well set at WR, not much of a need for Boldin, not where they'd give up a top 10 pick for him.

 

[Jetstream Green]

as long as he is traded to a AFC team

 

[Savage58]

Miller and their #1(7th overall) That seems like a decent offer compared to what I think we will end up having to accept. It is about to get messy, clownhaus is going to love being on tv this offseason.

I'd take one of the big OL Smith/Oher/Monroe/Smith or Orakpo/Curry depending on final grades. It's not like Oakland will make that 1st rounder pan out anyway

/agree on the "Send him to the AFC" for sure, Baltimore, Miami fine with me, never to a division opponent or potential playoff team.

 

[Gandhi]

Miller and their #1(7th overall) That seems like a decent offer compared to what I think we will end up having to accept. It is about to get messy, clownhaus is going to love being on tv this offseason.

I'd take one of the big OL Smith/Oher/Monroe/Smith or Orakpo/Curry depending on final grades. It's not like Oakland will make that 1st rounder pan out anyway

I would do it in a heartbeat. Imagine hiring Keith Butler and as a welcome-present he can have Aaron Curry to work with.

 

[joeshmo]

Philly: I like the idea of Sheppard and their second, maybe have provisions put on it where it can become a first?

We do not want Sheppard. He to wants a new big contract, not going to happen. He got to Green status in Philly going from #2 CB all the way to #4 CB.