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swd1974 said:
Wait wasnt the emporer a jedi? Why would they let vader live if he was the only jedi they knew was alive? :confused:


Sith is the opposite of Jedi. I believe Jedi implies the light side variety. Otherwise they are a Sith lord.

So no the Emperor was not a Jedi. Vader was not killed because he was no londer a Jedi, he was Darth Vader. :)
 

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I'm impressed by the Sith...there is only two of them...possibly a potential 3rd waiting to take over in the wings...and they kick all of the Jedi's asses! How were they able to do that :confused: Doesn't make the Jedi look very impressive does it? :confused:
 

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SunCardfan said:
I'm impressed by the Sith...there is only two of them...possibly a potential 3rd waiting to take over in the wings...and they kick all of the Jedi's asses! How were they able to do that :confused: Doesn't make the Jedi look very impressive does it? :confused:


The Sith didn't do it alone. I always thought they used the Mandalorians but I guess we will all find out what the cannon says. Lucas teds to change things up when he feels the need.

There are also more than two Sith, they just train in pairs.
 

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SirChaz said:
There are also more than two Sith, they just train in pairs.

No. There are only two, a master and an apprentice.

Here comes the ubergeek side of me...

The sith were thought to be eliminated over 1000 years before Episode I. In the KOTOR game, 4000 years before Episode I, the Sith are an army led by force users. Since the idea of the sith is to overcome opposition with power, they realized that eventually there could be only one or two sith at any one time, or there would be an immense struggle for power.

The sith have been in hiding, waiting for their time to strike. They used political power to strike in Episode I, using a trade dispute to put Palpatine in power. In Episode II, they used a war (in which the sith controlled both sides) to turn the republic into a police state, and in Episode III the war ends and the sith have total domination.

The sith that attack are Darth Sidious (the Emperor) and Darth Maul. Maul was killed. Count Dooku was a jedi trained by Yoda that fell to the dark side and he becomes Sidious's next apprentice. When Dooku is gone, the next apprentice was Vader.

Dooku tried to get Obi Wan to join him to take down the emperor in Episode II (the scene where Obi Wan is suspended in mid-air), and Vader tried to get Luke to join him to take down the emperor again in Episode V.

The sith are constantly struggling for power. They are the anti-jedi. They use the force for attack, manipulation, and power. The jedi use the force for defense, healing, and survival.

The Jedi were full of themselves, arrogant, and thought they were invincible, and that left them open to attack. All those jedi you've seen in Episode I and II are dead when Episode IV starts. Only Yoda and Obi Wan survive.
 

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vince56 said:
No. There are only two, a master and an apprentice.

Are you kidding me? There are only two total Sith (dark force 'jedi') in this Universe?

I took it as there are always two. As in where there is one there is another.

Plus there is Mara Jade, AKA the emperors hand. If Vader was his apprentice then how do you explain the existance of other force capable minions of the Emperor?

There are not 2 total Sith. There is a master and an apprentice. But I don't believe there can be only 1 Sith 'master' in this universe.

I also find it interesting then that the Emperor and Vader would try to convert Luke together if he could only be an ally to one of them at the expense of the other.
 

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yep, that's how it works.

from starwars.com:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/thesith/index.html

An ancient order of Force-practitioners devoted to the dark side and determined to destroy the Jedi, the Sith were a menace long thought extinct. The current incarnation of the Sith is the result of a rogue Jedi dissident from the order. Two thousand years ago, this Jedi had come to the understanding that the true power of the Force lay not through contemplation and passivity. Only by tapping its dark side could its true potential be gained. The Jedi Council at the time balked at this new direction. The Dark Jedi was outcast, but he eventually gained followers to his new order. Awakening beliefs from the dark past, the new Sith cult continued to grow. With the promise of new powers attainable by tapping into the hateful energies of the dark side, it was only a matter of time before the order self-destructed. Internecine struggle by power-hungry Sith practioners dwindled their numbers.
One Sith had the cunning to survive. Darth Bane restructured the cult, so that there could only be two -- no more, no less -- a master, and an apprentice. Bane adopted cunning, subterfuge, and stealth as the fundamental tenets of the Sith order. Bane took an apprentice. When that apprentice succeeded him, that new Sith Lord would take an apprentice.

Thus, the Sith quietly continued for centuries, until the time of Darth Sidious and his apprentice, Darth Maul. By that time, the galaxy at large had believed the Sith to be extinct, a fabled threat from the past. Qui-Gon Jinn's report of a Sith attack on Tatooine was met by the Jedi Council with hesitation and skepticism. Surely if the Sith had returned, the Jedi would have detected it, they reasoned.

The dark side, for all its power, is ultimately hard to detect when required. A shadowy master like Darth Sidious was able to keep his presence a secret, even when sharing a world with the Jedi Temple.

With the death of Darth Maul at Naboo, the Jedi Council realized that the Sith menace was true. What they hadn't puzzled was whether Maul was the master, or the apprentice. Years would pass before the Sith menace arose once more, a menace that would eventually come to engulf the entire galaxy.
 

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SirChaz said:
Plus there is Mara Jade, AKA the emperors hand. If Vader was his apprentice then how do you explain the existance of other force capable minions of the Emperor?

Mara Jade is just like KOTOR, it's EU. Only the movies are canon. Even if you consider her, she was never a sith. There are dark jedi as well, jedi that use the dark side but don't follow the sith religion. I went into Episode II spoiler-free and initially I thought Dooku was a dark jedi.


SirChaz said:
There are not 2 total Sith. There is a master and an apprentice. But I don't believe there can be only 1 Sith 'master' in this universe.

Yup. Yoda said "Only two there are, no more, no less. A master and an apprentice."

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I also find it interesting then that the Emperor and Vader would try to convert Luke together if he could only be an ally to one of them at the expense of the other.

"If he could be turned, he could be a powerful ally."

If Luke had turned at the end of ROTJ, my guess is that it would be "on" right there and Luke would have to kill either the emperor or vader and become the survivor's apprentice. That is the way of the sith.

*******SPOILER*******
That same scene from Return of the Jedi will play itself out near the beginning of Episode III, as the exact same scene will include the Emperor, Dooku, and Anakin. Anakin will viciously kill Dooku and take his place as the Emperor's apprentice.

There's great symmetry in Lucas' stories. Now if only the acting and character selection could've been better for the last two films!
 

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vince56 said:
Mara Jade is just like KOTOR, it's EU. Only the movies are canon. Even if you consider her, she was never a sith. There are dark jedi as well, jedi that use the dark side but don't follow the sith religion. I went into Episode II spoiler-free and initially I thought Dooku was a dark jedi.

My point was the Sith are much bigger than two people. Just because there are only two 'lords' in the cult does that mean there can only be one cult in the entire SW galaxy? Or that a single cult does not employ others in the service of the sith? Or even resort to using other force capable servents?


Yup. Yoda said "Only two there are, no more, no less. A master and an apprentice."

I am supposed to take Yoda's word for it? Before Darth Maul he thought they were extinct.
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"If he could be turned, he could be a powerful ally."

If Luke had turned at the end of ROTJ, my guess is that it would be "on" right there and Luke would have to kill either the emperor or vader and become the survivor's apprentice. That is the way of the sith.

Then Vader is either scared of the Emperor, stupid, or he wanted to be destroyed by Luke. If he was a good Sith he either should have tried to get Luke to help him kill the Emperor, or killed Luke as a threat to his own power . Maybe the fact that he sucked at it was the point. Somehow he is really just a good guy that was dominated by this evil old man. He didn't have the real cunning to be a Sith master.


There's great symmetry in Lucas' stories. Now if only the acting and character selection could've been better for the last two films!

I think you are right about how the movies will play out. There will only be two main Sith characters that we have already seen in EP2. I also understand the Darth Tyrannus took the place of Darth Maul. But I also think it is shortsighted to think that the Sith killed all the Jedi with two guys. I guess in a way they did but then it was several guys, just two at a time. I mean we have seen 4 Sith lords total already.

Also think about where do you get Sith apprentices from? Doesn't there have to be some kind of training or evaluation of several force capable candidates before one is selected to be the apprentice? Can they all be fallen Jedi like Dooku?


Of course then maybe I just think about this stuff too much. :D
 

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1) SirChaz, there are only 2 sith at one time. Vader tried to get Luke to join him to overthrow the emperor. Watch the scene in Empire Strikes Back when Vader cuts off Luke's hand. The entire reason Vader is fighting Luke is to try to get him to join him and appear with him in the Emperor's quarters to decide who the 2 sith will be. Watch the movie!

2) General Grevious looks awesome. I had his pic as my avatar here for months about a year ago when the first images came out. Supposedly, he's a jedi slayer, and when he kills a jedi, he takes their saber as his trophy. He supposedly is capable of wielding 4 lightsabers at a time.
 

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vince56 said:
1) SirChaz, there are only 2 sith at one time. Vader tried to get Luke to join him to overthrow the emperor. Watch the scene in Empire Strikes Back when Vader cuts off Luke's hand. The entire reason Vader is fighting Luke is to try to get him to join him and appear with him in the Emperor's quarters to decide who the 2 sith will be. Watch the movie!


Then I guess there is no such thing as a Sith warrior like Asajj Ventress.

I understand the movies don't show them but there are many more in the service of the Sith than the two Sith lords including some that might be considered 'dark jedi'. There are potential apprentices and other servents of the Sith. I don't doubt that only two Sith lords can exist at once, as defined by the Sith cult.

Trust me when I say I have watched the movies. They are cannon but they are not the entire story of Star Wars.
 
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Brian in Mesa said:
Long hair on sissy boy doesn't make him look like the young bad ass of the universe that scared me half to death when I was in first grade.

However, that Grievous chap looks awesome. I am hooked. I will now be suckered into seeing the new Star Wars Episode. I am not responsible for yelling at the screen if it is terrible.
 

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SirChaz said:
Then I guess there is no such thing as a Sith warrior like Asajj Ventress.

I understand the movies don't show them but there are many more in the service of the Sith than the two Sith lords including some that might be considered 'dark jedi'. There are potential apprentices and other servents of the Sith. I don't doubt that only two Sith lords can exist at once, as defined by the Sith cult.

Trust me when I say I have watched the movies. They are cannon but they are not the entire story of Star Wars.

This is getting seriously deep into dorkdom, but from the same link you just provided...

Though Ventress longed to identify herself as a Sith, she did not receive Sith training. While Dooku helped hone her talents, he taught her none of the knowledge unique to the Sith. Her skills were a combination of incomplete Jedi training coupled with her own techniques. Her raw talents and bottomless well of anger and pain bolstered her dark side abilities. Giving into her rage granted her further powers.


I haven't watched the clone wars cartoons, but it sounds like Dooku wanted to train her to be his apprentice. That is the sith way. Dooku wanted to be emperor.

Chaz, it sounds like you're probably confusing sith with dark jedi. No big deal.
 

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vince56 said:
This is getting seriously deep into dorkdom, but from the same link you just provided...

Though Ventress longed to identify herself as a Sith, she did not receive Sith training. While Dooku helped hone her talents, he taught her none of the knowledge unique to the Sith. Her skills were a combination of incomplete Jedi training coupled with her own techniques. Her raw talents and bottomless well of anger and pain bolstered her dark side abilities. Giving into her rage granted her further powers.


I haven't watched the clone wars cartoons, but it sounds like Dooku wanted to train her to be his apprentice. That is the sith way. Dooku wanted to be emperor.

Chaz, it sounds like you're probably confusing sith with dark jedi. No big deal.

Well also on that site they refered to her as a "Sith warrior".

Well it sounds to me like you are confusing the two lords of the Sith cult and the other associated members of the movement and plan.

Just a logical practical matter they would have to have other 'Sith in training' so to speak. I understand there are only two Sith lords, a master and apprentice, that are the " real Sith". I am not really arguing anything different. This started when somebody said that two Sith killed all those Jedi by themselves. Clearly the Sith had help beyond just the two main characters.
 
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SirChaz said:
This started when somebody said that two Sith killed all those Jedi by themselves. Clearly the Sith had help beyond just the two main characters.

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BIM, have you seen this pic yet?
 

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swd1974 said:
About now is a good time for a Natalie Portman pic in episode 2 in that ********** like outfit :)


Dear BIM,

About now is a good time for a Natalie Portman pic in episode 2 in that ********** like outfit
 
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Heidi Klum & Lord Vader?
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TheForce.net is reporting that Target is getting ready to launch a funny ad campaign that includes a list of celebrities, including one spot featuring Heidi Klum and Lord Vader. The spot is part of their "Wakeup" campaign and is a nice tie-in for Lucasfilm's Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith, opening May 19.

Target is ready to ring you awake for the day-after-Thanksgiving sales, preferably for the stores' 6 a.m. Nov. 26 and 8 a.m. Nov. 27 openings. You will be able to log on Nov. 17 to Target.com/Wakeup to register for a call between 4 a.m. and 10 a.m. You can view other clips at the site as well.

Click here to check out the Vader/Klum video clip.

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Heidi Klum & Lord Vader?
Source: TheForce.net
November 10, 2004


TheForce.net is reporting that Target is getting ready to launch a funny ad campaign that includes a list of celebrities, including one spot featuring Heidi Klum and Lord Vader. The spot is part of their "Wakeup" campaign and is a nice tie-in for Lucasfilm's Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith, opening May 19.

Target is ready to ring you awake for the day-after-Thanksgiving sales, preferably for the stores' 6 a.m. Nov. 26 and 8 a.m. Nov. 27 openings. You will be able to log on Nov. 17 to Target.com/Wakeup to register for a call between 4 a.m. and 10 a.m. You can view other clips at the site as well.

Click here to check out the Vader/Klum video clip.

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Klum almost looks as big as Vader! That just isn't right :(
 

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