The Positive Kyler Murray News Thread

[urs]

What a trooper, not sure i can do that only making 50M + a year..... I hope K1 throws up a ton a yardage this year.... and gets traded before the 2024 draft

"Kyler's lazy and doesn't want to put the work in"

Kyler puts the work in:

What a trooper, not sure i can do that only making 50M + a year

People on here call us Kyler defenders "obnoxious"...the haters are worse.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Lots of people insisting that he was missing at least half the year, right?

 

[Yuma]

Lots of people insisting that he was missing at least half the year, right?

The sports radio guys on 98.7 spent weeks on this. Just by going with who had this injury in the past, and their recovery times, it was hard not to say at least a quarter if not a half the season. I know Kyler feels good now, and optimism reigns supreme, but I still won't be surprised if he misses games.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The sports radio guys on 98.7 spent weeks on this. Just by going with who had this injury in the past, and their recovery times, it was hard not to say at least a quarter if not a half the season. I know Kyler feels good now, and optimism reigns supreme, but I still won't be surprised if he misses games.

Oh, I expect him to miss some games - just nothing like more than half the season. Based on the reporting, it was a fairly simple tear, and guys are coming back and training 8 months later these days.

Now do I expect him to be playing at a pro-bowl level to start? Probably not - but the grim predictions seemed unnecessarily dire.

 

[CardNots]

The sports radio guys on 98.7 spent weeks on this. Just by going with who had this injury in the past, and their recovery times, it was hard not to say at least a quarter if not a half the season. I know Kyler feels good now, and optimism reigns supreme, but I still won't be surprised if he misses games.

how much speed will be lost

can he play well under center

 

[kerouac9]

Oh, I expect him to miss some games - just nothing like more than half the season. Based on the reporting, it was a fairly simple tear, and guys are coming back and training 8 months later these days.

Now do I expect him to be playing at a pro-bowl level to start? Probably not - but the grim predictions seemed unnecessarily dire.

I think the question is how is he going to ramp up to NFL game speed without training camp and the preseason?

It's not just getting your body to 100%; in reality, his knee injury is close to 100% healed at this point. The problem is that the healing time caused a lot of atrophy that takes months to build back up to. Then he has to learn a new system and timing and everything else.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I think the question is how is he going to ramp up to NFL game speed without training camp and the preseason?

It's not just getting your body to 100%; in reality, his knee injury is close to 100% healed at this point. The problem is that the healing time caused a lot of atrophy that takes months to build back up to. Then he has to learn a new system and timing and everything else.

Yeah - the way the timing sets up, Kyler will be in a tough spot no matter what. I think it's safe to say that the Cardinals will be in a position next year to draft a QB if they want to. There already is tons of hype surrounding the Cardinals and the upcoming QB class. The BEST case scenario for the Cards is for Kyler to come out and kill it to calm down all the QB talk. But all the factors you mentioned (not factoring in the crap talent surrounding him) put Kyler right in the cross hairs if he doesn't show something this year.

Probably the most fascinating plot of the year.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

how much speed will be lost

can he play well under center

Can he read a defense?

All the physical work doesn't mean much without the mental work

This is his biggest weakness

 

[Yuma]

Yeah - the way the timing sets up, Kyler will be in a tough spot no matter what. I think it's safe to say that the Cardinals will be in a position next year to draft a QB if they want to. There already is tons of hype surrounding the Cardinals and the upcoming QB class. The BEST case scenario for the Cards is for Kyler to come out and kill it to calm down all the QB talk. But all the factors you mentioned (not factoring in the crap talent surrounding him) put Kyler right in the cross hairs if he doesn't show something this year.

Probably the most fascinating plot of the year.

Especially if the Cards hit the golden ticket of having BOTH the #1 and #2 picks. There's arguably projected to be a better QB class than this last year's draft. Cards could do a double trade back and rebuild the whole roster. Or some have suggested on TV and radio, if two guys emerge, ideally one defense and one offense, you just get the two cornerstones of your team going forward.

I think, my ideal would be Houston gets us number one pick, and our's turns out to be the 32cnd pick!

 

[TheCardFan]

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[TheCardFan]

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[pemory09]

Recently I can’t stop shaking the thought that were we a solid organization with a good HC, Kyler just might be a different QB. He seems to be regressing each season and often appears unprepared, but he is a Cardinal. God knows this organization, with its historic lack of direction, certainly isn’t a help to him.

 

[PACardsFan]

Recently I can’t stop shaking the thought that were we a solid organization with a good HC, Kyler just might be a different QB. He seems to be regressing each season and often appears unprepared, but he is a Cardinal. God knows this organization, with its historic lack of direction, certainly isn’t a help to him.

Goes without saying. Kingsbury’s lack of creativity was blatantly obvious once teams figured out his offense. Add VJ’s defenses never allowed us to keep momentum. Other than the 9-2 start in 2021, his defense almost always allowed a touchdown drive after our offense scored a TD. Add poor drafts, never building an OL to protect K1, and a rudderless owner, and you have a recipe that no QB could sustain success with. I‘m not sure I’ve ever been more excited for a season to start. Cardinals are far from a finished product, but they will play smarter & with more vigor than what we’re accustomed to. Murray is as talented as any QB in the league, but he has to stay healthier to reach his full potential.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Go’s without saying. Kingsbury’s lack of creativity was blatantly obvious once teams figured out his offense. Add VJ’s defenses never allowed us to keep momentum. Other than the 9-2 start in 2021, his defense almost always allowed a touchdown drive after our offense scored a TD. Add poor drafts, never building an OL to protect K1, and a rudderless owner, and you have a recipe that no QB could sustain success with. I‘m not sure I’ve ever been more excited for a season to start. Cardinals are far from a finished product, but they will play smarter & with more vigor than what we’re accustomed to. Murray is as talented as any QB in the league, but he has to stay healthier to reach his full potential.

The scary thing is, with four years of mismanaging his career now in the books, and a potential suicide mission-type season in front of him for 2023, we may have reached the point-of-no-return for K1's eventual departure from ARZ.

How would Murray look in SEA or LA colors I wonder? It wouldn't be any problem to root against him if he moves on, but it would suck if he goes to a QB-needy division rival and proceeds to torment us for ten years.

 

[PACardsFan]

The scary thing is, with four years of mismanaging his career now in the books, and a potential suicide mission-type season in front of him for 2023, we may have reached the point-of-no-return for K1s eventual departure from ARZ.

How would Murray look in SEA or LA colors I wonder? It wouldn't be any problem to root against him if he moves on, but it would suck if goes to a QB-needy division rival and proceeds to torment us for ten years.

That’s why it’s imperative for K1 to play as soon as he can & to stay healthy. I have ZERO doubt that he’s a legit star, whether it’s in AZ or elsewhere. If it’s elsewhere, I will root for him and whoever he does play for. Of course, after 60 years of being a Cardinals fan, the Cardinals will always be my team. Sadly, I do believe that this team will never completely be able to sustain success until the Bidwills are out of the equation. I do like MO, JG, and his staff, but how long before Michael screws that up too???

 

[CardNots]

Goes without saying. Kingsbury’s lack of creativity was blatantly obvious once teams figured out his offense. Add VJ’s defenses never allowed us to keep momentum. Other than the 9-2 start in 2021, his defense almost always allowed a touchdown drive after our offense scored a TD. Add poor drafts, never building an OL to protect K1, and a rudderless owner, and you have a recipe that no QB could sustain success with. I‘m not sure I’ve ever been more excited for a season to start. Cardinals are far from a finished product, but they will play smarter & with more vigor than what we’re accustomed to. Murray is as talented as any QB in the league, but he has to stay healthier to reach his full potential.

I would argue there was nothing to figure out. Once coaches convinced their defenses Kliff’s offense really would run the same crap over and over and over and over and over regardless of their alignment kliff’s genius was over.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I would argue there was nothing to figure out. Once coaches convinced their defenses Kliff’s offense really would run the same crap over and over and over and over and over regardless of their alignment kliff’s genius was over.

Kliff's offense needs 25-30% of the snaps to be under center and about 7-8 play action calls, to be successful in the NFL. He refused to do either, at a high enough rate.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I would argue there was nothing to figure out. Once coaches convinced their defenses Kliff’s offense really would run the same crap over and over and over and over and over regardless of their alignment kliff’s genius was over.

Hard to be successful when your QB is pitiful on down field throws and is below average completing passed between the numbers.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Especially if the Cards hit the golden ticket of having BOTH the #1 and #2 picks. There's arguably projected to be a better QB class than this last year's draft.

Way better. Both QBs (Maye and Williams) go ahead of Bryce Young. Michael Pennix Jr likely goes real high next year if he has another big season at UW.

Cards could do a double trade back and rebuild the whole roster.

That's the dream. If I get 1 and 2, I trade back to 3 and 4 and walk away with Marvin the Martian and the best defensive player (or another OL!).

Or some have suggested on TV and radio, if two guys emerge, ideally one defense and one offense, you just get the two cornerstones of your team going forward.

I think, my ideal would be Houston gets us number one pick, and our's turns out to be the 32cnd pick!

That would be great, but let's not kid ourselves.

 

[urs]

Hard to be successful when your QB is pitiful on down field throws and is below average completing passed between the numbers.

Defending Kliff....

 

[Krangodnzr]

Defending Kliff....

Speaking facts. Murray sucked last year. It wasn't Kliff air balling all of those deep throws.

 

[Outerlimits]

Speaking facts. Murray sucked last year. It wasn't Kliff air balling all of those deep throws.

Indeed. Both Kliff and Kyler were not good last year. Since this is the positive thread though, I will say I'm pretty optimistic after seeing his approach to this off-season.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Indeed. Both Kliff and Kyler were not good last year. Since this is the positive thread though, I will say I'm pretty optimistic after seeing his approach to this off-season.

Absolutely. We are seeing Murray say and do all of the right things.

I will criticize and praise him when he deserves it. I've said from day one, he is a super talented kid who will be as good as he wants to be.

Last year he let the team down a bit, but let's not kid ourselves, it was still an above average QB year for the Cardinals. Giving up on him too early will come back to bite this franchise in the butt.

Like others have demonstrated, Murray was better at OU than Caleb Williams was last year at USC. I think the Cardinals should stick with Murray unless this year is a disaster.

 

[Stout]

Absolutely. We are seeing Murray say and do all of the right things.

I will criticize and praise him when he deserves it. I've said from day one, he is a super talented kid who will be as good as he wants to be.

Last year he let the team down a bit, but let's not kid ourselves, it was still an above average QB year for the Cardinals. Giving up on him too early will come back to bite this franchise in the butt.

Like others have demonstrated, Murray was better at OU than Caleb Williams was last year at USC. I think the Cardinals should stick with Murray unless this year is a disaster.

An above average QB year? Far from it. An above average QB year for the Cardinals? Yes indeed

 

[TheCardFan]

I think the Cardinals should stick with Murray unless this year is a disaster.

The problem is how can the worst team in the league with a top 5 paid QB and a horrible roster win a championship?

I am rooting for Kyler but heavily tilted toward needing a complete re-build.