The Rebirth of Matt Leinart's Career

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Man I will admit that I wanted this guy to be the man for so long.

Everyone did, except for Matt it seems.

1. 2008 - Benched for Warner, no complaining.
2. 2009 - Warner resigns a lucrative deal, Matt didn't ask for a trade to be a #1 QB elsewhere. He was content to be a #2 for two more years after being in the league 3 years already.
3. 2010 - Loses the QB job to Anderson, is waived, doesn't sign with a team where he has a chance to even be a #2, signs with Houston as a #3. This may not be his fault/plan as his stock was pretty low at that point.
4. 2011 - Turns down an opportunity in Seattle (possible elsewhere too, teams need QBs) to challenge for a starting position, instead opts for the backup job in Houston to an entrenched quality starter in Schaub.

My observation skills, however weak, tell me he is prolonging his career in the NFL by being a perennial backup and never challenging for a starting job. No drive to be #1, happy to hold the clipboard and checkdown to the backs when he's called on to play. He's basically maximizing his earning potential while putting in minimal effort.
 
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I always laugh when people say that Whis benched Leinart "for no reason."

He obviously had a reason. He knew we had no other QB's, he knew he was a high draft pick with expectations and he knew that his bosses "The Bidwills" had dumped millions into Leinart.

I dont know what happened last year, I'm not in the locker room, but all things considered Whis obviously had his reasons for dumping Leinart, and 31 other teams have their reason for not wanting him as their starter or even really want him as a backup.

I wanted him to do well too, I was stoked we had never drafted a National Champ/Heisman QB before, and after his first couple of starts I thought we really had someone special. It all unraveled at some point and it never came to pass. I wish Matt luck, but I shed no tears for the guy.
 
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I was absoulutely giddy when Leinart fell to us. As teams continued to pass on him, I just couldn't believe how fortunate we were. He had a respectable rookie season, but most of his successes came in the first half of games. Granted, some of that had to do with Green. But overall, he was very average with the game on the line. As much as I wanted him to be our guy, it was blatantly obvious that he wasn't. I remember being in the stands in Baltimore when he was still our starter. It was probably 2007. In the 1st half, Leinart was absolutely attrocious & the Baltimore D was just teeing off on him. Had he played the whole game, we would have lost 35-3. Whiz put Warner in to start the 2nd half & it was just unbelievable the difference. The Ravens blitzed & Warner just killed them. I believe Warner threw for over 250 yds in the 2nd half. We would have won if not for a missed FG by the Chokester & the personal foul penalty on AW late in the game. I remember the Raven fans were just thankful that Warner didn't play the 1st half!

Bottom line, Leinart is soft & is a wuss! There isn't an ounce of mental toughness in that guy. He got away with that in college because USC was simply USC. Had he gone to Northwestern, he would never have seen the NFL. Regardless of how painful last year was, I'm still glad he's no longer a Cardinal.
 

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He's basically maximizing his earning potential while putting in minimal effort.

Except that one successful season as a starter would earn him more money instantly then he will earn being a backup for the next 10-15 years. Just look at what Kolb got with 7 starts and 3 wins. You think ML will make anywhere close to that as a career backup?
 

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Schaub has a history of being brittle. He made it through last year but I don't think he will this year. M L will do a credible job leading the team and I think he will be a starter next year.
 

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Except that one successful season as a starter would earn him more money instantly then he will earn being a backup for the next 10-15 years. Just look at what Kolb got with 7 starts and 3 wins. You think ML will make anywhere close to that as a career backup?

No, he won't. But as a career backup he could have 10 years in the league, make another 8-9 million dollars, and never have to think or get hit. It's the greatest job in the world, backup QB in the NFL :D
 

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The coach, our coach, did not like him IMO.

You can take your pick, work ethic, style of play, leadership, whatever, our coach did not want him to play here IMO.

That's pretty obvious given how things went down, you don't do what Whiz did just because you're po'd at someone IMO, you do it as a relentless drive to rid yourself of a QB management sunk a ton of money into and want's you to start.

I don't really put that all on Whiz, someone must not have listened to his thoughts or tried to override him and we can all see how that went.

He won, Matt left, it's over, good luck to all.
 

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Schaub has a history of being brittle. He made it through last year but I don't think he will this year. M L will do a credible job leading the team and I think he will be a starter next year.
I think this is Leinart's "plan". Sure, he could have gone to Seattle and possibly started but he wasn't really going to be in a good spot there.

I'm guilty of thinking he'd have a good chance to start there too but the reality is, Jackson is the OC's choice and Jackson also likely has Rice in his corner too.

So, does he go into all of that or stay with Kubiak who has obviously talked him up? He got rid of Orlovsky who was still under contract and if anything happens, Leinart gets to take over an offense more suited to him and more importantly, an offense that is loaded. And the "if" that might happen is Schaub who's never been one to stay healthy for very long.

Coach likes him, the offense is his style, the personnel is top notch and the chance to play is actually reasonable.

I think we all think he should have gone to Seattle to fight for that job but it may have actually been a smart decision by him to stay in Houston.
 

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Been hearing ALOT about Matt the past few weeks. There was an article in Houstons paper, multiple tweets from national guys at Houston camp raving about how it's rare he misses a pass, and now this write up. Significant enough that it was one of three things mentioned in this article:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...ns.postcard/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_wr_a1

3. Matt Leinart may turn out to be a great player yet. The fifth-year vet had considered reuniting with former USC coach Pete Carroll in Seattle, where he'd have a good chance of becoming a starter again. But in the end he decided to re-sign with Houston as a backup because the offense here fits him so well. That much was obvious in his practices with the
second string, which have been starter-level crisp -- a veritable clinic in sound mechanics, sure decision-making and accurate passing. The display is a testament to the work Leinart
put in back in his native California and to a system that plays to his strengths as mover in the pocket. At Arizona, Leinart said, "we were more spread out -- four wides, three wides, get the ball out quick. Here, there's more play-action under center. It's a lot more stuff that fits my style." Leinart isn't threatening Matt Schaub's job, but he gives the Texans one heck
of an insurance policy.


I have been a big proponent of just cutting bait and moving on and leaving this topic to die
And I'm pretty sure THESMEL is going to make me regret posting this, but I thought this was interesting - especially the part about the offensive fit. Makes sense.

I think Seattle will regret not getting him. That play action under center offense is a good fit for him and I'm hoping he does well.

Just as long as Kevin Kolb kicks his butt up and down the field every time they match up.

Leinart will always be a subject around here. Until he becomes a starter and wins he is just another of the many failures we have endured. He joins Jake Plummer who it seems to some we should build a statue for in front of the stadium.
 

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I still pull for Matt I didn't like how things were handled last year although I do think in the end the Cards just for whatever reason decided the team didn't believe in Matt. I think they got fooled with Anderson and obviously the coaches(and myself) really got fooled about how actual NFL ready Hall was, looked great until the games were real and then he looked shell shocked and way too small.

I hope Matt does well in houston or wherever but I have to admit by now I'll be surprised if he turns out as good as I expected when we drafted him.

It happens in a regular job too people get labelled a certain way and have to move to a new company to get promoted or get a level of respect. Matt had to move on the Cards players simply didn't believe in him IMHO.
 

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Leinart will always be a subject around here. Until he becomes a starter and wins he is just another of the many failures we have endured. He joins Jake Plummer who it seems to some we should build a statue for in front of the stadium.


Playing at ASU and being the only QB ever drafted by the Cardinals who won an advancing playoff game for the Cardinals and that playoff win being against Dallas will do that.
 

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Matt blows. Is the Houston media trying to turn him into Kolb so he can be trade bait next year? I mean Andy Reid had to give Philly media an assist on that trade to us. They were practically frothing at the mouth, demanding more than "just" a Pro-Bowl CB for a guy who started 7 games. And he got it.

I mean, this guy intentionally checked down all his passes in preseason last year, in hopes that it would pad his stats enough for him to keep his job.

Apparently completion percentage is the end-all-be all stat for some folks. It just wasn't for Whiz.
 
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Matt blows. Is the Houston media trying to turn him into Kolb so he can be trade bait next year? I mean Andy Reid had to give Philly media an assist on that trade to us. They were practically frothing at the mouth, demanding more than "just" a Pro-Bowl CB for a guy who started 7 games. And he got it.

I mean, this guy intentionally checked down all his passes in preseason last year, in hopes that it would pad his stats enough for him to keep his job.

Apparently completion percentage is the end-all-be all stat for some folks. It just wasn't for Whiz.

So instead Whiz goes with a guy with a sub par % and a dismal 5.9 yards per attempt. That sure worked out for everybody.

Can you imagine what Ken must have been thinking half way thru the preseason realizing he had one QB who didn't want to compete and another who couldn't and two extremely raw rookies?
 

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We're reading stuff about how Hall looks great in camp, so why is a big deal that Matt looks good in camp? But honestly, being next in line in Houston might actually be a better gamble than competing in Seattle at this point.
 

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I didn't hear about this. Where was it reported?

(not surprised though)

It was one of the many stories that came out after he was released. Witnessed (supposedly) by someone on the sidelines and it was also seen on the Foxboro broadcast.
 

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Practice is different then preseason which is different than gametime. (obvious statement)

There is always a shot the light came on, but there is no way to know that until actual games that count are played and we see how he performs. That might be a year or two away.

I still don't think he has it, or will have it, long term for any team. Could I be wrong, sure. But he has to prove he is good, people shouldn't believe it because of a few practices (not saying anyone is, just generally speaking).

QB's with problems around the shoulders...clavicle, popping out, etc...don't tend to reverse the early career trend on these things. I'm not confident he can survive a 16 game season without missing a couple of games at least.

If in the end he's a decent backup qb, there's nothing wrong with that. He should strive for more than that, but that imo is the best career path I can see out of him.

I still question his heart and his minds sophistry, but at this point, it doesn't matter, he's not on our team, so whatever. Have fun Captain Checkdown, you won't be running our team into any icebergs.
 
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So instead Whiz goes with a guy with a sub par % and a dismal 5.9 yards per attempt. That sure worked out for everybody.

Can you imagine what Ken must have been thinking half way thru the preseason realizing he had one QB who didn't want to compete and another who couldn't and two extremely raw rookies?

I know, that had to have been a really sucky choice. Do you choose the guy with no heart, or the guy with no talent? I guess since Matty wasn't his guy, it made the choice easier.

Still, I never find myself wondering what could have been with Matty under center last year. We'd have still sucked, but instead of moving forward with Kolb this year, we'd likely be trying to figure out what we have in Hall and Skelton this year.
 

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So instead Whiz goes with a guy with a sub par % and a dismal 5.9 yards per attempt. That sure worked out for everybody.

Can you imagine what Ken must have been thinking half way thru the preseason realizing he had one QB who didn't want to compete and another who couldn't and two extremely raw rookies?


"I hate you Kurt Warner!!!"

just kiddin
 

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"I hate you Kurt Warner!!!"

just kiddin

Probably sent 100 emails and texts a day. "Kurt are you POSITIVE you want to retire?" "I'll give you golf lessons." "You can be the Offensive Coordinator."
"We'll build a Warner Chapel in the Stadium."
 

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I know, that had to have been a really sucky choice. Do you choose the guy with no heart, or the guy with no talent? I guess since Matty wasn't his guy, it made the choice easier.

Still, I never find myself wondering what could have been with Matty under center last year. We'd have still sucked, but instead of moving forward with Kolb this year, we'd likely be trying to figure out what we have in Hall and Skelton this year.

The $64,000 question. How different would the season have been if Leinart had remained the starter? Nobody knows but one thing we can reasonably be sure of is that the discussions on ASFN over whether Leinart had played well enough to keep given the huge cost involved would have been legendary.
 

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There was no good enough reason to change the plan. I heard Gil Brandt falling all over Whiz this morning as a hidden Gem, consistant, cool headed, no ups and downs.

I watch the Cardinals, just because He's cool on camera, look at his actions. 51 newly signed players! upheaval, We had a decent plan going forward, completely thrown out the window!

He threw the baby out with the bathwater. I hope He pulls it together with this new squad, But that leinart move was stupid! We owed him 2.5 last year! We could have found out before the 12.5 million this year. Which is less than Kolb.

I can't think of what Whiz was good at last year? withing the HC job description? help me out here? This is a new year and if He moves the club forward from here, But i don't see it.

I don't think ML was the problem last year any more than Kolb is the Answer this year. by himself.
We have to balance it up and rest the D.
 
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