The reported price for Kolb

[Gaddabout]

Hey, we can't draft a damn good QB so we might as well trade for one & see what happens!!!

Gah. If only there were actually a good QB on the market.

 

[john h]

DRC a second round pick and AT LEAST $30 mil guaranteed for Kolb per Jim Trotter of SI

We are so stupid we will do it. It is down to we have no one else to sign as the organized teams went out and got who they wanted right away.. This could go down as the worst trade in history if what it says above is true.

 

[john h]

The price may seem high but it's hardly unprecedented. What would you have done if the Cards gave a top 20 pick for a guy who never completed a pass in the NFL and, in fact had only thrown 4 passes in his career?
That' what GB did for Favre and they both wear #4 so there IS a connection.

Favre and Kolb in the same post and Kolb has not done a thing noteworthy in his couple of years in the NFL. This will have to be the dumbest trade of the year if it goes down giving up a real starter and possible all star DB plus a second or second and third and then have to give Kolb $30 mil. Are we really that dumb?

 

[Jetstream Green]

This could also go down as the best trade in history if you believe the other side which is Kolb could be a good QB. I don't know if DRC will ever mature into a dependable shutdown corner as much as I know if Kolb will ever reach the high expectations so many have also expressed by people actually in the NFL. One can argue that Kolb has as much talent as DRC has for his position when compared to other players in their respected positions on the field. I say roll that dice and hope Lady Luck did not leave with Warner to serve as a babysitter at his house

 

[seesred]

If that's the deal I'm good with it. It's not a first. Most feel this kid will be a very solid QB at this level. He is 25 with a very good arm and can move as well. DRC we all like him for the most part, but with Tollar, Peterson and a good pick up we will be fine at CB.

Fitz will sign a long deal, we now have TE's, 1 or 2 O-line guys would be solid and a LB or 2. Wells looks great, will see what the new 2rd pick can do and we have a FB. If KK can play we should be able to compete.

GBR
40

 

[john h]

DRC and a 2nd for Kolb is the eagles way of telling the cards they're idiots. No other team in the league would make that deal, draft picks maybe, but not a pro bowler 'and' a high pick, thats ridiculous. I understand the concept of keeping Fitz, but whose to say Kollb can even be successful in the first place. A better business decision would be to get Delhomme for a year, and make a run at andrew luck next year. save money, picks, DRC and get a much better QB in the process. The eagles FO is holding the cards hostage, and they're too dumb to even negotiate their release....

This deal would in no way guarantee Fitz would stay here. If we suck this year you can bet Fitz will be on the first plane out next year. Fitz wants to play for a ring not for last place.

 

[Jetstream Green]

QB is also by far the most important position on the team if the objective is winning a championship and not just be respectable. We have no QB with the exception of Skelton and his possibilites down the road. We have Fitzgerald, and he is the face of the franchise and he is as good as gone if we at least do not offer him something he can have hope in.

 

[CardsFan88]

He better Billy Bob it if he gets more concussions for what we might give up.

Pro-bowl player who can take it to the house multiple ways, a 2nd round pick, then a huge guaranteed $ figure in his contract, for an unproven QB who has already been knocked out of a game because of a concussion?

Way too much in a league where proven talent goes for 3-5th round picks, and other options are/were on the table. Makes the whole 'he's a qb myth' moot.

Trade for someone like Orton, a proven commodity, for a 3rd-4th. Then in a separate deal, which I wouldn't necessarily do, but I'm not a cards coach, trade DRC for a 3rd or 4th to someone else. Maybe even the eagles. That way you net even DRC for a starting QB straight up. Still a lean away from the cards, but much better than the complete one sided deal we are hearing rumors of.

A QB who has been knocked out with a concussion, and he hasn't even played enough to be proven? He's the long term answer? A 2nd and DRC + huge contract? Even if he pans out, there could be other issues. So much could go wrong with this it's bordering on the ludicrous side.

I hope he makes better decisions, doesn't get concussed, keeps fitz here, and plays well enough to give us a shot at playoffs/championship. We're giving up enough value for a guy that should do that. I sure hope (this part tic) the cards understand just because you give up a lot, doesn't make the guy you receive any better. I hope they've done their homework and are getting the 'fit' they want. If they gave up that much, and then have to alter his style, the whole exercise would just be pathetic.

I'll hope, but of course, hoping doesn't change reality.

 

[Jetstream Green]

It does not guarantee Fitz will stay but nothing is a give me. But at this point and the possibilities of trying to get a new contract done with Fitz before the end of the season it leans on the keep Fitz side a lot more heavily than Fitz leaving, and remember Kolb still has not sucked yet in Cardinal red if that will even happen

 

[Jetstream Green]

Troy Aikman was knocked out cold with a concussion his first year by a guy in Arizona named Williams off a corner blitz, it did not turn out bad for Dallas

 

[john h]

QB is also by far the most important position on the team if the objective is winning a championship and not just be respectable. We have no QB with the exception of Skelton and his possibilites down the road. We have Fitzgerald, and he is the face of the franchise and he is as good as gone if we at least do not offer him something he can have hope in.

You do not trade for a QB based on what one of your players might or might not do next year while at the same time paying him big time starter salary and giving away one of the better DBs in the league.

 

[Chopper0080]

We are getting fleeced at this moment. In a couple years we will know if we got fleeced for real.

 

[LarryStalling]

I was the very first person to say something about trading DRC. Trust me I did not mean trade him for Kolb. This is a very bad deal and only slightly better than DA. How this club can think about giving up that much for Kolb is simply mind boggling. Quite frankly I would much rather have traded DRC for a rush linebacker not some unproven qb. Let alone DRC plus a high round draft pick. Ineptitude I fear will reign supreme for us in the future because of the future price tag of the deal. He is going to come in not knowing the play book with no time to prepare. Just way to much to give up for him.

 

[Jetstream Green]

They do it in basketball a lot. I know for a fact and the organization does not hide it here in San Antonio, the Spurs will run things by Tim Duncan over the years on some signings for his opinion because he is a major part of the team and it did not kill their legacy. I hear you John, and I respect your word on this board and always look forward to it but this is one of the few times I think their is also a even chance that you could be wrong. And my opinion to is me is only 50% right, I by no means see this as certainty. It could go either way from what I believe and we do not have a QB.

 

[Duckjake]

I was the very first person to say something about trading DRC. Trust me I did not mean trade him for Kolb. This is a very bad deal and only slightly better than DA. How this club can think about giving up that much for Kolb is simply mind boggling. Quite frankly I would much rather have traded DRC for a rush linebacker not some unproven qb. Let alone DRC plus a high round draft pick. Ineptitude I fear will reign supreme for us in the future because of the future price tag of the deal. He is going to come in not knowing the play book with no time to prepare. Just way to much to give up for him.

I agree. The guys been in the league for 4 years and I'd never heard of him until the Cards became desperate for a QB.

On the other hand I do like that the Cards are trying to get something for DRC before he leaves as a free agent or gets released.

 

[CardsFan88]

I sort of remembered Troy Aikman retired because of concussions (well the risk of that with him coupled with what happened to Irvin on his mind so I googled, and well this came up on first page)

"Troy Aikman NFL quarterback
Ten concussions in 12 seasons. Retired while he was still in his prime."

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07168/794835-66.stm#ixzz1TNQ4FisC

Yeah it worked out for him, but still might have been a reason why he retired early.

Besides it wasn't about what random thing a person could be, concussions once they occur, tend to be problematic. I also have no info on whether or not Kolb had concussions in high school, college, etc.

What I do know, is he's played little, and already had one. One severe enough to knock him out of a game, although with QB's they do tend to be a bit more protective + the new rule (that can be gotten around but wasn't there). So to me, given what we are rumored to give up in player, high pick, salary cap space...given other options which are less costly, and he is unproven, and his stats aren't very good, and in some more obscure and less tested stats (the 4th highest in bad decisions rating), it just portends to be a very high risk thing to do. Couple that with all the options we had available to us, I think it's overall a bad move.

Can he be the man? Sure, it's possible. But I'd rather go in a different, less risky, less costly route, where the possibility for success is probably just the same. Meanwhile if it didn't pan out it didn't. If THIS doesn't pan out, we're sat back a good deal, and RG and CKW are probably gone. Not just because of bad/injured QB, but everything we lost opportunity cost wise that left us weaker overall.

 

[redheat]

"It's a trap...!" We are gonna get screwed on this one for years. Payback for beating the Eagles in playoffs.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

news flash: don't hold your breath for the food pick up

 

[AZCARDSFANATIC]

I will say it: SEE YA CKW AND GRAVES. This is the nail in the coffin, bad drafts, bad trades, bad player personnel management, bad game-planning. To think we could have traded for a future HOF QB who fits our system of the gunslinger QB and all it would have cost us is a 5th round pick. Instead we hit the panic button is sllloooowwww motion and traded for an unknown commodity, giving up a known commodity and a high draft pick. In hindsight we probably would have wasted the draft pick and stunted the known commodity into mediocrity. So any idea who our coach and GM will be next year?

 

[Tyler]

I will say it: SEE YA CKW AND GRAVES. This is the nail in the coffin, bad drafts, bad trades, bad player personnel management, bad game-planning. To think we could have traded for a future HOF QB who fits our system of the gunslinger QB and all it would have cost us is a 5th round pick. Instead we hit the panic button is sllloooowwww motion and traded for an unknown commodity, giving up a known commodity and a high draft pick. In hindsight we probably would have wasted the draft pick and stunted the known commodity into mediocrity. So any idea who our coach and GM will be next year?

Rod Graves and somebody.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I will say it: SEE YA CKW AND GRAVES. This is the nail in the coffin, bad drafts, bad trades, bad player personnel management, bad game-planning. To think we could have traded for a future HOF QB who fits our system of the gunslinger QB and all it would have cost us is a 5th round pick. Instead we hit the panic button is sllloooowwww motion and traded for an unknown commodity, giving up a known commodity and a high draft pick. In hindsight we probably would have wasted the draft pick and stunted the known commodity into mediocrity. So any idea who our coach and GM will be next year?

I AM TRYING my best to be positive, but I feel a lot like you do in this post.

 

[Shane]

I AM TRYING my best to be positive, but I feel a lot like you do in this post.

The last 2 days have been your best? Wow.

 

[BigRedFan]

I can't believe the Cardinals may be suckers for all the hype Philadelphia has been spinning on Kolb. While he did have a couple of good games and some potential, I wont deny that, I don't see one reason he should be so much more expensive than Orton. They are about the same age, Orton has shown steady improvement over 4 years, and would have projected to 4500 yards last year over a full season with over twice as many TDs as picks. He's thrown for 6 times as much passing yardage as Kolb, so there's a much greater sample size to go on. Kolb had, what 2 good games where he had 300+ yards and a player of the week. While that's good, take away those and his overall stats would be garbage. Sorry, but 2 games doesn't justify a probowl corner, high draft pick, and megamillion dollar contract.

 

[ActingWild]

I have a couple of friends who are big Eagles fans. BOTH were hoping that the Eagles would get EITHER a decent draft pick OR a decent player for Kolb and are ecstatic that we are giving them DRC AND AHIGH PICK. So so so stupid. Please, drop this and go hard for Orton or Vince Young.

 

[conraddobler]

I am not surprised we'd do something like this.

It's how we got here, no matter how it works out, heck they could get lucky and he could be the next Tom Brady, and I hope he is, but there is just so little to go on with this guy it's a HUGE gamble.

If it dosen't work out and someone dosen't lose their job over this in management at the top then it's hopeless for us all.