The Suns with the 2018 #1 overall pick select....

[AzStevenCal]

Towns has one more season on a rookie contract.

Maybe the Wolves want to check his value especially if he is unhappy. He will command the max and be worth it.

It would be nice to get a player like Towns once he was no longer eligible for the Super Max. But I don't know where Towns stands in qualifying for that Super Max and I don't know whether he's passed the point where the Super Max won't transfer to the team he's traded to. I think that happens after his 4th year but not positive about the specifics.

 

[Hoop Head]

It would be nice to get a player like Towns once he was no longer eligible for the Super Max. But I don't know where Towns stands in qualifying for that Super Max and I don't know whether he's passed the point where the Super Max won't transfer to the team he's traded to. I think that happens after his 4th year but not positive about the specifics.

He could get the Super Max but it would be less than what Minnesota could offer because we're not the team that drafted him. I think that only comes into play with a players 2nd contract, after the one they sign coming off of their rookie contract. There was talk about that with Cousins when he was traded to New Orleans because he basically lost 30-40 million because they weren't the team that drafted or the only team he'd played for so the max was a little lower.

 

[AzStevenCal]

He could get the Super Max but it would be less than what Minnesota could offer because we're not the team that drafted him. I think that only comes into play with a players 2nd contract, after the one they sign coming off of their rookie contract. There was talk about that with Cousins when he was traded to New Orleans because he basically lost 30-40 million because they weren't the team that drafted or the only team he'd played for so the max was a little lower.

I thought that the Super Max rights could transfer as long as it occurred before point X(?) in the first contract? Cousins was well past that point.

 

[Mainstreet]

It would be nice to get a player like Towns once he was no longer eligible for the Super Max. But I don't know where Towns stands in qualifying for that Super Max and I don't know whether he's passed the point where the Super Max won't transfer to the team he's traded to. I think that happens after his 4th year but not positive about the specifics.

I do not know either. That is the kicker. Otherwise it would be hard not to trade the #1 pick for a known star. I'm sure math factors into the equation but the Suns have a golden opportunity here. Towns is one of the few players I would consider trading the #1 pick to obtain. I wouldn't do it for Leonard.

 

[Hoop Head]

I thought that the Super Max rights could transfer as long as it occurred before point X(?) in the first contract? Cousins was well past that point.

Looks like he'd be eligible for it later, but his first max deal wouldn't change. What I found is that a player would be eligible for the bigger extension on their 2nd contract if they were traded during the first 4 years in the league but not after, which is why Cousins couldn't get it from New Orleans. This first max that he signs would be the same whether he signed it as a Sun or Wolves player, it's the 2nd that it becomes a question but it wouldn't matter in his case because if he was traded after 3 years in the league he'd be fine so long as he stayed with the team who traded for him throughout his first max deal up until he signed that new contract, which would be 4-5 years down the road. He may qualify for the Derrick Rose rule though, allowing a higher max coming off of his rookie deal, if he's able to hit the criteria this year. He has 1 All-Star appearance so far and no All-NBA team appearances but the awards haven't been named this season. I think he'd need to be an All-Star again or be named to an All-NBA team to be eligible for the 30% max coming off of his rookie deal.



Question 24 details the max...

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

 

[AzStevenCal]

Looks like he'd be eligible for it later, but his first max deal wouldn't change. What I found is that a player would be eligible for the bigger extension on their 2nd contract if they were traded during the first 4 years in the league but not after, which is why Cousins couldn't get it from New Orleans. This first max that he signs would be the same whether he signed it as a Sun or Wolves player, it's the 2nd that it becomes a question but it wouldn't matter in his case because if he was traded after 3 years in the league he'd be fine so long as he stayed with the team who traded for him throughout his first max deal up until he signed that new contract, which would be 4-5 years down the road. He may qualify for the Derrick Rose rule though, allowing a higher max coming off of his rookie deal, if he's able to hit the criteria this year. He has 1 All-Star appearance so far and no All-NBA team appearances but the awards haven't been named this season. I think he'd need to be an All-Star again or be named to an All-NBA team to be eligible for the 30% max coming off of his rookie deal.



Question 24 details the max...

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

Yeah, that's what I thought and it changes my mind on Towns. Unless his agent makes it clear that he'll only demand the regular Max. I like Kat but he is NOT worth the Super Max. Neither is any other player in the league although a younger Lebron might.

 

[Mainstreet]

Looks like he'd be eligible for it later, but his first max deal wouldn't change. What I found is that a player would be eligible for the bigger extension on their 2nd contract if they were traded during the first 4 years in the league but not after, which is why Cousins couldn't get it from New Orleans. This first max that he signs would be the same whether he signed it as a Sun or Wolves player, it's the 2nd that it becomes a question but it wouldn't matter in his case because if he was traded after 3 years in the league he'd be fine so long as he stayed with the team who traded for him throughout his first max deal up until he signed that new contract, which would be 4-5 years down the road. He may qualify for the Derrick Rose rule though, allowing a higher max coming off of his rookie deal, if he's able to hit the criteria this year. He has 1 All-Star appearance so far and no All-NBA team appearances but the awards haven't been named this season. I think he'd need to be an All-Star again or be named to an All-NBA team to be eligible for the 30% max coming off of his rookie deal.



Question 24 details the max...

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

Yeah, that's what I thought and it changes my mind on Towns. Unless his agent makes it clear that he'll only demand the regular Max. I like Kat but he is NOT worth the Super Max. Neither is any other player in the league although a younger Lebron might.

I guess this explains a lot if the Wolves are considering trading him.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I guess this explains a lot if the Wolves are considering trading him.

It could and I think we'll see more of this until the players and agents come to the realization that the Super Max is likely to be a team killer.

 

[Mainstreet]

It could and I think we'll see more of this until the players and agents come to the realization that the Super Max is likely to be a team killer.

Okay. Back to Ayton.

 

[TJ]

McD is really going to fudge this up, isn’t he?

 

[Hoop Head]

It could and I think we'll see more of this until the players and agents come to the realization that the Super Max is likely to be a team killer.

It's interesting that contracts like that are team killers. I saw someone making the case about Wall being worth it because he makes his teammates better but they can't sign anyone else since he signed the super max. His contract is more detrimental than his play is beneficial. Only PG's have signed the super max deals so far also, John Wall, Russell Westbrook, and James Harden. Harden wasn't a PG when he signed it but he was a facilitator and D'Antoni made him a PG.

 

[GatorAZ]

I think his floor is 2012 Carmelo with a team first attitude.

Kind of an odd comparison when one of the caveats is he has a different brain.

 

[Hoop Head]

McD is really going to **** this up, isn’t he?

Would you consider trading it for Karl-Anthony Towns messing it up?

He averages 21.3 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 1.4 blocks in 35.6 minutes a game on 54.5% FG shooting and 42.1% from 3. He's only 22 years old and has not missed a single game in 3 seasons. Will Ayton produce like that? Not next year, but down the line? I don't think he'll shoot 3's as well but the rest is up for debate. Link to KAT's stats.

 

[Mainstreet]

McD is really going to **** this up, isn’t he?

No. The fans have too much time on their hands until draft day.

 

[GatorAZ]

No. The fans have too much time on their hands until draft day.

The downside of winning the lottery lol.

 

[TJ]

No. The fans have too much time on their hands until draft day.

We also have never had the #1 pick. This is a different feeling. We also have a bad GM, which makes this situation ever worse.

 

[Muggum]

The only knock against Towns is that he's about to get the max. Whereas you get a young guy for cheap for a few years.

 

[Mainstreet]

We also have never had the #1 pick. This is a different feeling. We also have a bad GM, which makes this situation ever worse.

I don't think McDonough is a bad GM now. He has made some mistakes growing on the job but I think he is more than ready.

He is going to research this decision to the extreme and then make the right decision and draft Ayton.

 

[Mainstreet]

The downside of winning the lottery lol.

It's a wonderful problem to have. I never dreamed the Suns would win the lottery. LOL

 

[elindholm]

The only knock against Towns is that he's about to get the max. Whereas you get a young guy for cheap for a few years.

I don't think Towns is aggressive enough on offense. He spends too much time on the perimeter for my liking. Only 59% of his FGA last year were inside of 10 feet, which is not a good application of his skill set. He shoots fine from farther away, but it sure looks like he should be doing more damage in the paint. For me, Towns for the #1 is an easy No.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I don't think Towns is aggressive enough on offense. He spends too much time on the perimeter for my liking. Only 59% of his FGA last year were inside of 10 feet, which is not a good application of his skill set. He shoots fine from farther away, but it sure looks like he should be doing more damage in the paint. For me, Towns for the #1 is an easy No.

Agreed. As much of a problem as Ayton's defense might be, he will still be better than Towns.

 

[BC867]

Agreed. As much of a problem as Ayton's defense might be, he will still be better than Towns.

And, as has been pointed out, Ayton was forced to play out of position at Forward. It will be interesting to see how well he plays Center defensively as next season progresses.

 

[HeHasRosen]

All these different scenarios are really making me nervous. Lets not trade the pick. I have been waiting to get the #1 pick for so long. Maybe im a bit of a homer but i think Ayton could be a generational type talent. His skill set is unicorn level.

We got a bunch of other picks and assets to get cute with. Dont mess this up.

The most ironic part is sarver could be the saving grace if he has to flex nuts and make the last call on this one

 

[BC867]

All these different scenarios are really making me nervous. Lets not trade the pick. I have been waiting to get the #1 pick for so long. Maybe im a bit of a homer but i think Ayton could be a generational type talent. His skill set is unicorn level.

We got a bunch of other picks and assets to get cute with. Dont mess this up.

The most ironic part is sarver could be the saving grace if he has to flex nuts and make the last call on this one

If that what it takes, I'll even let him wave his foam finger.

 

[Hoop Head]

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet but apparently the Hawks are willing to trade the #3 pick. So the Hawks at #3 and Grizzlies at #4 are both willing to move their picks. I think it is a possibility the Suns could somehow pull something to get one of those picks and leave the draft with Ayton and Doncic. They may even try something else and end up with Towns and Doncic, who knows.

Having the #1 pick is great but there have been so many trade rumors floating around and realistically the Suns have the assets to pull off any move. That #1 pick has real value, not that I want to see it be traded but it's not a pipe dream or being a delusional Suns fan thinking we could put together a package that doesn't include Booker for virtually any superstar in the league, crazy.


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