The Suns with the 2018 #1 overall pick select....

[Chaplin]

Yeah why isn't that good enough?


Taking for KAT is just bailing the Twolves out. We get Ayton on a rookie contract and control him more years.

Unfortunately, keeping Warren and trading up from 16 most likely are mutually exclusive.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

1. Ayton ceiling is higher and floor is around KAT.

2. $$$ you wont have to worry about Ayton signing a max deal next year. Having 2 max contracts will limit what this team does going forward.

3. We get to raise are own home grown talent. And pick #1 for the first time ever. There's a reason anyone who would trade for the pick would take Ayton

I think Ayton has greater upside but you can’t say his floor is KAT because he could bust. You’re guessing what his floor is. While KAT’s floor is . . . KAT. That’s the KAT upside - he’s proven already.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Unfortunately, keeping Warren and trading up from 16 most likely are mutually exclusive.

Warren is clearly the expendable player on this roster. He also has a very friendly contract for his production. He has to be considered among the trade pieces.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Assuming Ayton blossoms, that is. If he doesn't, we will all hate each other for not taking the opportunity (if it even is an opportunity).

KAT is a sure thing.

And Max contracts are going to be a fact of life with the more good players you have on your roster. That's a fact.

But the longer you can out off max contracts the more talent you can acquire and overlap.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think Ayton has greater upside but you can’t say his floor is KAT because he could bust. You’re guessing what his floor is. While KAT’s floor is . . . KAT. That’s the KAT upside - he’s proven already.

I just cannot see Ayton a bust unless the story includes surgery or jail.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Warren is clearly the expendable player on this roster. He also has a very friendly contract for his production. He has to be considered among the trade pieces.

i do think a warren plus 16 could get us back in the top ten.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I just cannot see Ayton a bust unless the story includes surgery or jail.

Don't forget, a lot of people never bounce back from a good alien probe.

 

[JCSunsfan]

i do think a warren plus 16 could get us back in the top ten.

Trae Young or Collin Sexton range.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Trae Young or Collin Sexton range.

I'd say sexton is more likely than Young. Question is can Sexton be a true point and learn to shoot the rock from 3.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Trae Young or Collin Sexton range.

but maybe there's a world where we're able to trade up to #10 or so with Warren/16 and then can sweeten a bigger move up to 4 with 10/Next year's pick (with some protection)or Milwaukee's?

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'd say sexton is more likely than Young. Question is can Sexton be a true point and learn to shoot the rock from 3.

It's a good question. Even if not, he should be a very good 6th man though with his ability to get to the rim with little help. Also, his ability to draw fouls (7.6 per game) is incredible for a 19 year old. But without some significant improvement on both sides of the ball, I'm not sure Warren isn't the better long term player.

 

[Hoop Head]

It makes more sense from a cap perspective to have a max Booker and Ayton on a rookie contract, rather than doubling up on two guys from the same draft class. By the time Ayton is due for an extension, Book will be getting close to his third contract, and the pieces around them might have changed to open up space, as well.

I'd rather have Ayton, Booker, Jackson along with other pieces we could add with the cap space KAT would suck up.

This is one reason I'm not all in on trading up for a 2nd top pick this year. We'd end up in a similar situation in 4 years. Signing Booker and KAT to max deals at the same time is possible but not very attractive. Signing any 2 players from the same draft class to max deals gets tricky. That would be $55-60 million you'd be signing away at once for 2 players. That's half of your cap right there and on their 2nd deal it's even more, could be 70% of the cap to keep both. Staggering max deals works best, financially, and also in terms of your talent peaking. We'd have Ayton for a few more years at a productive level while KAT would be declining.

 

[HeHasRosen]

I think Ayton has greater upside but you can’t say his floor is KAT because he could bust. You’re guessing what his floor is. While KAT’s floor is . . . KAT. That’s the KAT upside - he’s proven already.

Ok. I said somewhere around there. As you said its a guess. But i can say that and i did. I see Ayton putting up 20-15 consistently. And i dont see him busting at all. Just my opinion

 

[Cheesebeef]

Ok. I said somewhere around there. As you said its a guess. But i can say that and i did. I see Ayton putting up 20-15 consistently. And i dont see him busting at all. Just my opinion

15 boards per? That would make him the best rebounder of all time. I’m high on the guy but that’s Tommy Chong level high.

 

[Hoop Head]

It's possible to average 15 rebounds per game, unlikely but Drummond averaged 16 this last season and hasn't averaged below 13 since his rookie year. The rebounding leaders average around 15 a game each year, which would mean Ayton could challenge for that spot annually. Considering how weak our PF's are he'd have the chance to grab that many boards but doing that while putting up over 20 points a game is highly unlikely with Booker, Jackson, and Warren on offense.

 

[TJ]

Ok. I said somewhere around there. As you said its a guess. But i can say that and i did. I see Ayton putting up 20-15 consistently. And i dont see him busting at all. Just my opinion

Ayton will probably be 18-10 his rookie year. I could see 23-12 in a few years, dependent upon how he's used on offense. Booker is going to get a lot of open looks from outside if defenders have to commit guys to Ayton inside.

 

[devilalum]

I want to see what an Ayton/Booker pick and roll looks like.


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[pokerface]

This is one reason I'm not all in on trading up for a 2nd top pick this year. We'd end up in a similar situation in 4 years. Signing Booker and KAT to max deals at the same time is possible but not very attractive. Signing any 2 players from the same draft class to max deals gets tricky. That would be $55-60 million you'd be signing away at once for 2 players. That's half of your cap right there and on their 2nd deal it's even more, could be 70% of the cap to keep both. Staggering max deals works best, financially, and also in terms of your talent peaking. We'd have Ayton for a few more years at a productive level while KAT would be declining.

Good points. Another one I might add is having Ayton on the last deal keeps the other players in line. My meaning is if Ayton is here other players may not want to bolt. He's like the anchor to keep others around. If Kat or Book want to leave then others may bail.

 

[Hoop Head]

Good points. Another one I might add is having Ayton on the last deal keeps the other players in line. My meaning is if Ayton is here other players may not want to bolt. He's like the anchor to keep others around. If Kat or Book want to leave then others may bail.

Very true. Handling ego's is a big part of managing a team and unless it's beneficial for us as a team, there is no reason we should be getting existing players friends here. If they can recruit them in free agency, great, but their friendship doesn't help a trade.

We saw the extreme version of having friends together with the Morrii and the Dragics'. I know KAT and Booker aren't brothers but they're good friends and that is enough that makes me pause. If we could acquire KAT easier because of his friendship with Booker, that's one thing, but trading the #1 pick and possibly more for him? There is no upside to his friendship then. There could be a downside if he isn't happy here, he could get Booker to want out also.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Suns wanted to sign a higher paid player this summer. Drafting Ayton still allows them to do this.

Signing Towns would take away this opportunity.

So the Suns would likely have Ayton, Jackson, Booker and _________ (player to be named).

Many thought it might be a player like Capela but it could be quality PG or PF.

Maybe the Suns keep Warren or trade him.

 

[Hoop Head]

The Suns wanted to sign a higher paid player this summer. Drafting Ayton still allows them to do this.

Signing Towns would take away this opportunity.

So the Suns would likely have Ayton, Jackson, Booker and _________ (player to be named).

Many thought it might be a player like Capela but it could be quality PG or PF.

Maybe the Suns keep Warren or trade him.

I know that was the story before the lottery but since they got the #1 pick I haven't heard much about signing a player at or around the max. I believe the Suns will only have about 22 million in cap space after renouncing everyone's rights when you factor in the cap hold for the #1 pick. That is waiving Alan Williams, Tyler Ulis, Shaq Harrison, and rescinding the rights for Len and Payton. So they couldn't quite sign a max level player unless they found a taker for Dudley or Chandler, used the stretch provision on one of them. We have cap space but not a lot. I think now that we can draft Ayton they'll spend a bit wiser, getting role players to fill out the roster rather than spending big on 1 free agent and filling out the rest with minimum level players. We don't need Capella anymore if we have Ayton, so we dodged a bullet there, IMO.

 

[Mainstreet]

I know that was the story before the lottery but since they got the #1 pick I haven't heard much about signing a player at or around the max. I believe the Suns will only have about 22 million in cap space after renouncing everyone's rights when you factor in the cap hold for the #1 pick. That is waiving Alan Williams, Tyler Ulis, Shaq Harrison, and rescinding the rights for Len and Payton. So they couldn't quite sign a max level player unless they found a taker for Dudley or Chandler, used the stretch provision on one of them. We have cap space but not a lot. I think now that we can draft Ayton they'll spend a bit wiser, getting role players to fill out the roster rather than spending big on 1 free agent and filling out the rest with minimum level players. We don't need Capella anymore if we have Ayton, so we dodged a bullet there, IMO.

It sort of gets into a gray area. The Suns wanted to sign a quality player through trade or free agency before they maxed out Booker. However, Ayton changed all that.

If Booker is happy where the Suns are now, maybe they wait until next summer when Chandler and Dudley are off the books.

Even Knight's salary looks better after next season. He could be bought out if things don't work out.

 

[TJ]

I want to see what an Ayton/Booker pick and roll looks like.


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[AZ Native]

I am 66 years old and have watched the Suns for 50 years and we FINALLY get the 1st pick. And some want to trade it??? Forget about it. Take the #1 selection, Ayton, and move on. Simple.

 

[pokerface]

I am 66 years old and have watched the Suns for 50 years and we FINALLY get the 1st pick. And some want to trade it??? Forget about it. Take the #1 selection, Ayton, and move on. Simple.

I know....this isn't rocket science. What is KAT going to do for us right now except eat up cap space!