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Are they confident ayton is going 1?
As of last weekend he still seemed to think that's what was going to happen. Wouldn't go as far as to call it a lock, but the belief seemed to be that was still the most likely scenario. I specifically brought up the KAT rumors and he didn't think much of it.
 
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I have a family friend who has good relationships with the people handling his pre-draft workouts. I know, typical message board rumors, but I 100% trust this dude. I know for a fact he's met Ayton too.

Umm... you're the same dude who knew for a fact that Peterson was going to join the Cardinals like 3 years ago.

Sorry, but I cannot take this with any level of seriousness.
 

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Umm... you're the same dude who knew for a fact that Peterson was going to join the Cardinals like 3 years ago.

Sorry, but I cannot take this with any level of seriousness.
LOL you're thinking of Birdman. One of my first ever posts was in that legendary thread though
 

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Umm... you're the same dude who knew for a fact that Peterson was going to join the Cardinals like 3 years ago.

Sorry, but I cannot take this with any level of seriousness.
I don’t think that’s the same guy
 

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I guarantee you that the Wolves would not trade KAT straight up for #1. KAT is already an outstanding player. Ayton is all potential. They would want additional picks, and probably JJ.

Yeah well what they want and what they get are probably two different things . How often are superstars traded and they get equal value back ? Almost never happens . If they are so high on KAT then why is he supposedly up on the blocks? Because there are "issues"
 

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Umm... you're the same dude who knew for a fact that Peterson was going to join the Cardinals like 3 years ago.

Sorry, but I cannot take this with any level of seriousness.

You know what they say - golfers, fisherman and Vegas returnees always tell the truth. Seriously though, I still believe Birdman had his facts straight but things changed along the way.
 

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Who is Ayton working out for???? Bet he never works out.
No idea if he has any pre draft workouts planned with any teams at this point. I'll probably ask about that sometime later next week. The workouts I was referring to are with his trainers, which have been taking place in Phoenix (nothing new there, he played some of his HS ball here and his mom still lives here).
 

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https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/...o-1-pick-phoenix-suns-nba-draft-deandre-ayton

This article ignores everything going on in the NBA...it just has a focus of the suns getting in the playoffs. Then it goes on to this BS trade offer and loses ALL credibility.

Minnesota receives: No. 1, Milwaukee 1st likely to convey in 2020, Miami 1st unprotected in 2021, Josh Jackson

Phoenix receives: Karl-Anthony Towns

A trade so awful, McD would absolutely do it.

In all honesty, to get me to part with #1, I need more than KAT.
 

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For those worried about drafting a center in a league of three point shooters, I think this might explain it. This is the future if the NBA.

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For those worried about drafting a center in a league of three point shooters, I think this might explain it. This is the future if the NBA.

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See this video bears out everything I said 12 hours ago. Ayton is a unicorn and the perception is he is the next KAT...Embiid...Cousins...etc etc. His value is on par with these guys already . The fact that Cousins and Townes want crazy money lessens their value IMO. Coincidence that Cousins and Townes are on the blocks the moment big money comes into the equation? Me thinks not .
 

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See this video bears out everything I said 12 hours ago. Ayton is a unicorn and the perception is he is the next KAT...Embiid...Cousins...etc etc. His value is on par with these guys already . The fact that Cousins and Townes want crazy money lessens their value IMO. Coincidence that Cousins and Townes are on the blocks the moment big money comes into the equation? Me thinks not .

Every player who has a chance at all-star, all-NBA, all-defense... all-anything, wants max money and, up until recently when the league fell well short of their projected cap levels for the next few seasons, was likely to get it.

Situations are individual unto themselves. Yeah, Towns might be on the move, but only because he wants to be on the move. Minnesota would only trade him because he is forcing his way out. Cousins is... Cousins, a guy who puts up crazy stats but it hasn't translated it into team success... and he is coming off an achillies injury, which is WAY worse than an ACL tear.

An all-star caliber player (which I think Ayton will be within a year or 2) is obviously a way better bargain on a rookie contract than their future extension, which will pay them 3-4 times as much. It has nothing to do with position.

I do think the league has, for ages now, been more prone to stupidly drafting and overpaying big men to the expense of more talented, smaller players, but that does NOT apply to Ayton in this draft. He has the best combination of size and athleticism AND he is one of the most talented freshmen to come out in ages. Ayton could be 4 inches shorter and looking at playing the 3 or the 4, and with how fast he is, the feel for the game he has shown and the range he's shown on his shot, he'd still be in the running for the top pick.

If this was a different season and we were looking at drafting a large but seemingly unskilled big like... say... Bamba at #1, while dudes like Doncic and Young were on the board, I'd be terrified. But I'm not worried with Ayton. IMO, barring catastrophic injury, he will, at worst, put up all star level offensive and rebounding numbers (something like 18-10). There is a chance that those are empty stats... but I think, with good coaching, his floor is really really high and his ceiling is through the roof (yeah, it's cheesy... and I love it.)
 

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Every player who has a chance at all-star, all-NBA, all-defense... all-anything, wants max money and, up until recently when the league fell well short of their projected cap levels for the next few seasons, was likely to get it.

Situations are individual unto themselves. Yeah, Towns might be on the move, but only because he wants to be on the move. Minnesota would only trade him because he is forcing his way out. Cousins is... Cousins, a guy who puts up crazy stats but it hasn't translated it into team success... and he is coming off an achillies injury, which is WAY worse than an ACL tear.

An all-star caliber player (which I think Ayton will be within a year or 2) is obviously a way better bargain on a rookie contract than their future extension, which will pay them 3-4 times as much. It has nothing to do with position.

I do think the league has, for ages now, been more prone to stupidly drafting and overpaying big men to the expense of more talented, smaller players, but that does NOT apply to Ayton in this draft. He has the best combination of size and athleticism AND he is one of the most talented freshmen to come out in ages. Ayton could be 4 inches shorter and looking at playing the 3 or the 4, and with how fast he is, the feel for the game he has shown and the range he's shown on his shot, he'd still be in the running for the top pick.

If this was a different season and we were looking at drafting a large but seemingly unskilled big like... say... Bamba at #1, while dudes like Doncic and Young were on the board, I'd be terrified. But I'm not worried with Ayton. IMO, barring catastrophic injury, he will, at worst, put up all star level offensive and rebounding numbers (something like 18-10). There is a chance that those are empty stats... but I think, with good coaching, his floor is really really high and his ceiling is through the roof (yeah, it's cheesy... and I love it.)

Ok but Cousins was traded before any injury occured . Money was a factor. I'm sure it's a factor with Townes but not the only factor.

My point too is this ...Whomever is 'less' in a jam has the upper hand in negotiations. Far as KAT goes...Who needs who more? Do we really need Townes? We are going to have our unicorn...what do we need him for? The Twolves have Townes but they aren't taking over the league with him and now he's disgruntled and wanting supermax. Now they are going to dictate terms and want max value in trade? They are under more pressure to do a deal than we are...by far. It's not about the suns and how sweet we can make the deal...it's the other way around .
 
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Ok but Cousins was traded before any injury occured . Money was a factor. I'm sure it's a factor with Townes but not the only factor.

My point too is this ...Whomever is 'less' in a jam has the upper hand in negotiations. Far as KAT goes...Who needs who more? Do we really need Townes? We are going to have our unicorn...what do we need him for? The Twolves have Townes but they aren't taking over the league with him and now he's disgruntled and wanting supermax. Now they are going to dictate terms and want max value in trade? They are under more pressure to do a deal than we are...by far. It's not about the suns and how sweet we can make the deal...it's the other way around .

I think you're overusing the term "unicorn" as well as misusing it. Ayton is a skilled 7 footer but he's not a "unicorn". What makes players "unicorns" is that there are only 1 maybe 2 in the NBA today. If all of the guys you mentioned were "unicorns" then none of them would be, the term is used to describe a very unique combination of skills a player has that makes them a rarity in the NBA, 1 in a million type players. Giannis and Porzingis are the only players I've heard analysts refer to as "unicorns" before and with how they're built and their skills, it makes sense. Players with their physical build don't often have their skillset. Ball handling and speed of a guard, size and strength of a Center, agility and range of a SF. There can't be a dozen unicorns. Ayton is very much a Center, a very skilled Center, but a Center none the less. Also it's not money that has held up or forced any of the deals you've mentioned.

Money won't be why Towns is traded, like Phrazbit said above. KAT getting paid has to do with where he is in his career, and that's it. If you read up on the rumors it's said that Minnesota will fire Thibedeau and pay Towns to get him locked in. They don't want to lose him and they want to repair things before he is publicly demanding a trade. They're not thinking about trading him because of his contract though. Towns is upset about his role in Minnesota, it's not about money. He's not asking out because he knows he'll make the most staying put also. Minnesota will fire Thibs before they trade Towns and after they fire him, they'll roll out a max extension that he'll sign. It's not money holding things up there.

Also KAT hasn't taken Minny anywhere yet because he just finished his 3rd year, like Booker. He did help get them to the playoffs this year though and he's vital to getting them back there. It takes time to build a team and Minnesota is now trending upwards, they'll be better next year with everyone back. Like us, they just assembled their "Big 3" this last season, and they made it the playoffs. Our "Big 3" won't get us there next year but in Ayton's 2nd or 3rd year, we should be a playoff team. Putting our trajectory similar to the Wolves with KAT. Don't discredit what he's done. Players don't often lead their team to the postseason early in their rookie deals. Towns has 1 more year on his rookie deal, the Wolves are a playoff team now. Hopefully the same happens for us, maybe a little quicker.

Cousins was traded 2 years before he could be a free agent because their owner is nuts. He thought Buddy Hield would be the next Steph Curry and gave the greenlight for that deal with the Pelicans. He was on the block at that point because he had gotten 5 or 6 coaches fired through his first 6 years in the league and was seen as a headcase. They decided to move on while he had trade value before he was left with 1 year on his deal and they had less leverage to get a good deal in return. No one wants to risk trading for a star player with 1 year left on their deal, it's a huge risk and it gets GM's fired and sets teams back years if that player walks when they become free agents. Cousins is due a new contract but the Pelicans seemed content paying it before his achilles injury. That's a huge injury, as serious as microfracture. Only 1 in 3 players return to the level they were before that injury. I'd posted an article that number came form before and I can find it again if needed. No one will want to risk paying him max money because of the injury, not his skillset. If he were healthy, he'd get the max easily.

If your theory on paying bigs was true then Embiid wouldn't have gotten a max contract from Philadelphia before this last season after only playing in 32 games in 4 years. It was a gamble, no doubt, but Philly wasn't going to risk him walking or damaging their relationship. By signing him to that extension they protected themselves some because they were able to add in some injury clauses so they'd be saved if he ends up going down again. If he was a restricted free agent this summer, he would have gotten a max contract from someone without those provisions included so they made the right move, ultimately.
 

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I think you're overusing the term "unicorn" as well as misusing it. Ayton is a skilled 7 footer but he's not a "unicorn". What makes players "unicorns" is that there are only 1 maybe 2 in the NBA today. If all of the guys you mentioned were "unicorns" then none of them would be, the term is used to describe a very unique combination of skills a player has that makes them a rarity in the NBA, 1 in a million type players. Giannis and Porzingis are the only players I've heard analysts refer to as "unicorns" before and with how they're built and their skills, it makes sense. Players with their physical build don't often have their skillset. Ball handling and speed of a guard, size and strength of a Center, agility and range of a SF. There can't be a dozen unicorns. Ayton is very much a Center, a very skilled Center, but a Center none the less. Also it's not money that has held up or forced any of the deals you've mentioned.

Money won't be why Towns is traded, like Phrazbit said above. KAT getting paid has to do with where he is in his career, and that's it. If you read up on the rumors it's said that Minnesota will fire Thibedeau and pay Towns to get him locked in. They don't want to lose him and they want to repair things before he is publicly demanding a trade. They're not thinking about trading him because of his contract though. Towns is upset about his role in Minnesota, it's not about money. He's not asking out because he knows he'll make the most staying put also. Minnesota will fire Thibs before they trade Towns and after they fire him, they'll roll out a max extension that he'll sign. It's not money holding things up there.

Also KAT hasn't taken Minny anywhere yet because he just finished his 3rd year, like Booker. He did help get them to the playoffs this year though and he's vital to getting them back there. It takes time to build a team and Minnesota is now trending upwards, they'll be better next year with everyone back. Like us, they just assembled their "Big 3" this last season, and they made it the playoffs. Our "Big 3" won't get us there next year but in Ayton's 2nd or 3rd year, we should be a playoff team. Putting our trajectory similar to the Wolves with KAT. Don't discredit what he's done. Players don't often lead their team to the postseason early in their rookie deals. Towns has 1 more year on his rookie deal, the Wolves are a playoff team now. Hopefully the same happens for us, maybe a little quicker.

Cousins was traded 2 years before he could be a free agent because their owner is nuts. He thought Buddy Hield would be the next Steph Curry and gave the greenlight for that deal with the Pelicans. He was on the block at that point because he had gotten 5 or 6 coaches fired through his first 6 years in the league and was seen as a headcase. They decided to move on while he had trade value before he was left with 1 year on his deal and they had less leverage to get a good deal in return. No one wants to risk trading for a star player with 1 year left on their deal, it's a huge risk and it gets GM's fired and sets teams back years if that player walks when they become free agents. Cousins is due a new contract but the Pelicans seemed content paying it before his achilles injury. That's a huge injury, as serious as microfracture. Only 1 in 3 players return to the level they were before that injury. I'd posted an article that number came form before and I can find it again if needed. No one will want to risk paying him max money because of the injury, not his skillset. If he were healthy, he'd get the max easily.

If your theory on paying bigs was true then Embiid wouldn't have gotten a max contract from Philadelphia before this last season after only playing in 32 games in 4 years. It was a gamble, no doubt, but Philly wasn't going to risk him walking or damaging their relationship. By signing him to that extension they protected themselves some because they were able to add in some injury clauses so they'd be saved if he ends up going down again. If he was a restricted free agent this summer, he would have gotten a max contract from someone without those provisions included so they made the right move, ultimately.
While I agree with what you are saying for what makes a someone a "unicorn" (except for the notion that Giannis has range), I disagree with the notion that Ayton isn't a potential "unicorn" type player himself. Ayton is a guy that has the potential to be the most physically imposing player in the league while also possessing some wing level skill and athleticism. I don't think he quite falls into the same category as AD, KAT or Embiid because of his physical potential to be bigger and stronger than those guys while also having similar to better athleticism.
 

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I think you're overusing the term "unicorn" as well as misusing it. Ayton is a skilled 7 footer but he's not a "unicorn". What makes players "unicorns" is that there are only 1 maybe 2 in the NBA today. If all of the guys you mentioned were "unicorns" then none of them would be, the term is used to describe a very unique combination of skills a player has that makes them a rarity in the NBA, 1 in a million type players. Giannis and Porzingis are the only players I've heard analysts refer to as "unicorns" before and with how they're built and their skills, it makes sense. Players with their physical build don't often have their skillset. Ball handling and speed of a guard, size and strength of a Center, agility and range of a SF. There can't be a dozen unicorns. Ayton is very much a Center, a very skilled Center, but a Center none the less. Also it's not money that has held up or forced any of the deals you've mentioned.

Money won't be why Towns is traded, like Phrazbit said above. KAT getting paid has to do with where he is in his career, and that's it. If you read up on the rumors it's said that Minnesota will fire Thibedeau and pay Towns to get him locked in. They don't want to lose him and they want to repair things before he is publicly demanding a trade. They're not thinking about trading him because of his contract though. Towns is upset about his role in Minnesota, it's not about money. He's not asking out because he knows he'll make the most staying put also. Minnesota will fire Thibs before they trade Towns and after they fire him, they'll roll out a max extension that he'll sign. It's not money holding things up there.

Also KAT hasn't taken Minny anywhere yet because he just finished his 3rd year, like Booker. He did help get them to the playoffs this year though and he's vital to getting them back there. It takes time to build a team and Minnesota is now trending upwards, they'll be better next year with everyone back. Like us, they just assembled their "Big 3" this last season, and they made it the playoffs. Our "Big 3" won't get us there next year but in Ayton's 2nd or 3rd year, we should be a playoff team. Putting our trajectory similar to the Wolves with KAT. Don't discredit what he's done. Players don't often lead their team to the postseason early in their rookie deals. Towns has 1 more year on his rookie deal, the Wolves are a playoff team now. Hopefully the same happens for us, maybe a little quicker.

Cousins was traded 2 years before he could be a free agent because their owner is nuts. He thought Buddy Hield would be the next Steph Curry and gave the greenlight for that deal with the Pelicans. He was on the block at that point because he had gotten 5 or 6 coaches fired through his first 6 years in the league and was seen as a headcase. They decided to move on while he had trade value before he was left with 1 year on his deal and they had less leverage to get a good deal in return. No one wants to risk trading for a star player with 1 year left on their deal, it's a huge risk and it gets GM's fired and sets teams back years if that player walks when they become free agents. Cousins is due a new contract but the Pelicans seemed content paying it before his achilles injury. That's a huge injury, as serious as microfracture. Only 1 in 3 players return to the level they were before that injury. I'd posted an article that number came form before and I can find it again if needed. No one will want to risk paying him max money because of the injury, not his skillset. If he were healthy, he'd get the max easily.

If your theory on paying bigs was true then Embiid wouldn't have gotten a max contract from Philadelphia before this last season after only playing in 32 games in 4 years. It was a gamble, no doubt, but Philly wasn't going to risk him walking or damaging their relationship. By signing him to that extension they protected themselves some because they were able to add in some injury clauses so they'd be saved if he ends up going down again. If he was a restricted free agent this summer, he would have gotten a max contract from someone without those provisions included so they made the right move, ultimately.

I dont know man...I don't see how Townes moves the needle for us in a dramatic way versus having Ayton. If Ayton puts up 80% of KATs numbers in his first or second season for a quarter of the money with plenty of potential (and years) yet to come I take that all day. KAT is a stud and I don't knock him at all but the Twolves and Suns are in different situations. I think Ayton fits us better. He gives us more time. As far as KAT...since he's all that I'm sure the Wolves will keep him so no need to give up our #1 and Jackson and picks and all that other BS the media thinks we should give. I'd be happy if he stayed on his team and we keep Ayton .

As far as the Unicorn term...My definition would be a extra tall highly skilled stat stuffing big man with agility. Centers that can shoot threes and score from everywhere. I think Ayton has that potential and reputation already. If you don't think that is unicorn or rare enough that's fine by me but players like Ayton only come along once every three or four drafts perhaps. I still think that's rare and we shouldn't give that up.
 
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I think you're overusing the term "unicorn" as well as misusing it. Ayton is a skilled 7 footer but he's not a "unicorn". What makes players "unicorns" is that there are only 1 maybe 2 in the NBA today. If all of the guys you mentioned were "unicorns" then none of them would be, the term is used to describe a very unique combination of skills a player has that makes them a rarity in the NBA, 1 in a million type players. Giannis and Porzingis are the only players I've heard analysts refer to as "unicorns" before and with how they're built and their skills, it makes sense. Players with their physical build don't often have their skillset. Ball handling and speed of a guard, size and strength of a Center, agility and range of a SF. There can't be a dozen unicorns. Ayton is very much a Center, a very skilled Center, but a Center none the less. Also it's not money that has held up or forced any of the deals you've mentioned.

Money won't be why Towns is traded, like Phrazbit said above. KAT getting paid has to do with where he is in his career, and that's it. If you read up on the rumors it's said that Minnesota will fire Thibedeau and pay Towns to get him locked in. They don't want to lose him and they want to repair things before he is publicly demanding a trade. They're not thinking about trading him because of his contract though. Towns is upset about his role in Minnesota, it's not about money. He's not asking out because he knows he'll make the most staying put also. Minnesota will fire Thibs before they trade Towns and after they fire him, they'll roll out a max extension that he'll sign. It's not money holding things up there.

Also KAT hasn't taken Minny anywhere yet because he just finished his 3rd year, like Booker. He did help get them to the playoffs this year though and he's vital to getting them back there. It takes time to build a team and Minnesota is now trending upwards, they'll be better next year with everyone back. Like us, they just assembled their "Big 3" this last season, and they made it the playoffs. Our "Big 3" won't get us there next year but in Ayton's 2nd or 3rd year, we should be a playoff team. Putting our trajectory similar to the Wolves with KAT. Don't discredit what he's done. Players don't often lead their team to the postseason early in their rookie deals. Towns has 1 more year on his rookie deal, the Wolves are a playoff team now. Hopefully the same happens for us, maybe a little quicker.

Cousins was traded 2 years before he could be a free agent because their owner is nuts. He thought Buddy Hield would be the next Steph Curry and gave the greenlight for that deal with the Pelicans. He was on the block at that point because he had gotten 5 or 6 coaches fired through his first 6 years in the league and was seen as a headcase. They decided to move on while he had trade value before he was left with 1 year on his deal and they had less leverage to get a good deal in return. No one wants to risk trading for a star player with 1 year left on their deal, it's a huge risk and it gets GM's fired and sets teams back years if that player walks when they become free agents. Cousins is due a new contract but the Pelicans seemed content paying it before his achilles injury. That's a huge injury, as serious as microfracture. Only 1 in 3 players return to the level they were before that injury. I'd posted an article that number came form before and I can find it again if needed. No one will want to risk paying him max money because of the injury, not his skillset. If he were healthy, he'd get the max easily.

If your theory on paying bigs was true then Embiid wouldn't have gotten a max contract from Philadelphia before this last season after only playing in 32 games in 4 years. It was a gamble, no doubt, but Philly wasn't going to risk him walking or damaging their relationship. By signing him to that extension they protected themselves some because they were able to add in some injury clauses so they'd be saved if he ends up going down again. If he was a restricted free agent this summer, he would have gotten a max contract from someone without those provisions included so they made the right move, ultimately.
Did you watch the video? Ayton is a 7-1 250 lb player with the speed and agility of a wing. That’s a unicorn—for now. A unicorn is a very rare player with a very rare combination of size and skill set. Of course, the more we see in the league the less the term unicorn will make sense.
 

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I think you're overusing the term "unicorn" as well as misusing it. Ayton is a skilled 7 footer but he's not a "unicorn". What makes players "unicorns" is that there are only 1 maybe 2 in the NBA today. If all of the guys you mentioned were "unicorns" then none of them would be, the term is used to describe a very unique combination of skills a player has that makes them a rarity in the NBA, 1 in a million type players. Giannis and Porzingis are the only players I've heard analysts refer to as "unicorns" before and with how they're built and their skills, it makes sense. Players with their physical build don't often have their skillset. Ball handling and speed of a guard, size and strength of a Center, agility and range of a SF. There can't be a dozen unicorns. Ayton is very much a Center, a very skilled Center, but a Center none the less. Also it's not money that has held up or forced any of the deals you've mentioned.

Money won't be why Towns is traded, like Phrazbit said above. KAT getting paid has to do with where he is in his career, and that's it. If you read up on the rumors it's said that Minnesota will fire Thibedeau and pay Towns to get him locked in. They don't want to lose him and they want to repair things before he is publicly demanding a trade. They're not thinking about trading him because of his contract though. Towns is upset about his role in Minnesota, it's not about money. He's not asking out because he knows he'll make the most staying put also. Minnesota will fire Thibs before they trade Towns and after they fire him, they'll roll out a max extension that he'll sign. It's not money holding things up there.

Also KAT hasn't taken Minny anywhere yet because he just finished his 3rd year, like Booker. He did help get them to the playoffs this year though and he's vital to getting them back there. It takes time to build a team and Minnesota is now trending upwards, they'll be better next year with everyone back. Like us, they just assembled their "Big 3" this last season, and they made it the playoffs. Our "Big 3" won't get us there next year but in Ayton's 2nd or 3rd year, we should be a playoff team. Putting our trajectory similar to the Wolves with KAT. Don't discredit what he's done. Players don't often lead their team to the postseason early in their rookie deals. Towns has 1 more year on his rookie deal, the Wolves are a playoff team now. Hopefully the same happens for us, maybe a little quicker.

Cousins was traded 2 years before he could be a free agent because their owner is nuts. He thought Buddy Hield would be the next Steph Curry and gave the greenlight for that deal with the Pelicans. He was on the block at that point because he had gotten 5 or 6 coaches fired through his first 6 years in the league and was seen as a headcase. They decided to move on while he had trade value before he was left with 1 year on his deal and they had less leverage to get a good deal in return. No one wants to risk trading for a star player with 1 year left on their deal, it's a huge risk and it gets GM's fired and sets teams back years if that player walks when they become free agents. Cousins is due a new contract but the Pelicans seemed content paying it before his achilles injury. That's a huge injury, as serious as microfracture. Only 1 in 3 players return to the level they were before that injury. I'd posted an article that number came form before and I can find it again if needed. No one will want to risk paying him max money because of the injury, not his skillset. If he were healthy, he'd get the max easily.

If your theory on paying bigs was true then Embiid wouldn't have gotten a max contract from Philadelphia before this last season after only playing in 32 games in 4 years. It was a gamble, no doubt, but Philly wasn't going to risk him walking or damaging their relationship. By signing him to that extension they protected themselves some because they were able to add in some injury clauses so they'd be saved if he ends up going down again. If he was a restricted free agent this summer, he would have gotten a max contract from someone without those provisions included so they made the right move, ultimately.
Agree about the unicorn comments.
 

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I always thought of unicorn as having two primary elements:

High level rim protection
Three point proficiency

At present the first is conjecture for Ayton. Lots of people saying it’s likely, but no pudding for proof yet.

The second is also projection. He’s a good shooter. But to date it’s primarily been 18 footers and in. People are expecting him to be capable of extending his range, but there’s no guarantee.
 

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The term unicorn is just being thrown around by the media and like. The term originated to describe bigs who can protect the rim, rebound, and shoot from three.

Some of the guys listed as "unicorns", which I even saw Steph Curry's named mentioned as one, are not what the term was coined for.

Just a pet peeve of mine.
 

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he's disgruntled and wanting supermax. Now they are going to dictate terms and want max value in trade? They are under more pressure to do a deal than we are...by far. It's not about the suns and how sweet we can make the deal...it's the other way around .

absolutely. like all the times we've been forced to sell low in recent years

regardless. i don't give a crap about their problem. no way, no deal. we own #1 and we've earned it!
 

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I always thought of unicorn as having two primary elements:

High level rim protection
Three point proficiency

At present the first is conjecture for Ayton. Lots of people saying it’s likely, but no pudding for proof yet.

The second is also projection. He’s a good shooter. But to date it’s primarily been 18 footers and in. People are expecting him to be capable of extending his range, but there’s no guarantee.

Didn't shoot a ton but 34% from 3pt range is pretty good.
 
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