The Walking Dead (AMC)
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Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
I'm alright being in the correct minority
Looked at objectively, it could have been good--had it come early to mid season LAST season. As it was, hmm, let's completely ditch everything to backtrack to a dead and buried storyline. Bah, sucky I say. They wrote a brilliant end to the black hat's story, but they just couldn't let sleeping dogs lie. Hey, I'm the one that uses that quote and pic
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I just wanted to clarify Stout this is not the governors back story this is taking place at around the same time as the prision give or take a month.
Wasn't expecting an entire episode dedicated to the governor, but I thought it was really good. Things were getting really, really miserable at the prison and it was nice to take a little break from that and as much as we all hate the governor I thought his story was solid.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
I know, I just probably worded it poorly in my prior post. This would have worked had it instead been back story leading to his takeover of the town, shown in chunks last season. I know that's not what it was. I was speculating using this material in a different manner. I think it would have been great then. The problem is, the character got extremely old, they made a bold choice with how he went out last season, and it was a perfect ending. Perfect. Not everything has to be life or death, even in the zombie apocalypse, and it was a great way to tear him down. Perfect.
But no, now we need the old mustache-twirling black hat back. And we apparently need a multi-episode arc dedicated solely to a story line that should have been buried for good.
I'll try to watch next week, but if it's a completely dedicated black-hat episode, or if it even features him extensively, I'll probably turn it off. I barely watched this last one as it is, and just kept it on in the background.
I haven't read the comics, and I loved that episode. If you are going to bring the Guv back, you better let me know more about him. I not only loved this ep, but I can't wait for the next one too.
Great writing, and I want more from the black hat. And I bet he ends up joining up with Ricks crew in some manner of fashion, if only to have the women he is protecting be under Rick's care.
That wasn't ruining, it was deeper storytelling. Loved it.
I feel this season has been about Rick reclaiming leadership, and it's been going very, very slowly. They made him very hesitant to pick up a gun and make decisions. Then, all of a sudden, he makes as big of a group decision as he could make. That seemed kind of jarring to me, and not in a dramatic way.
That said, I feel they've properly invested in character development this year, the way it should be in a fourth season. I was thinking how uninteresting and altruistic Daryl had become, and then they toss Carol's banishment out there. I thought the way he quickly got over his brother and the way the group handled him was out of character. That needed more fleshing out. This is something that maybe allows that character to revisit it, and we get to watch the new-found goodness in his heart to melt away.
I never cared for the Governor, but I feel it was more my disdain for the way the actor played him than the character himself. He was never dark enough for me when it came time to go dark. When we finally saw his dark side it felt very forced. The actor seemed to deadpan through all his bad-guy scenes. Him chasing Rick's group through the woods could've been an episode of Dukes of Hazzard, IMO. "Get them Duke boys! We gotcha now! Guhee-Guhee-Guheeee!"
That said, I feel they've properly invested in character development this year, the way it should be in a fourth season. I was thinking how uninteresting and altruistic Daryl had become, and then they toss Carol's banishment out there. I thought the way he quickly got over his brother and the way the group handled him was out of character. That needed more fleshing out. This is something that maybe allows that character to revisit it, and we get to watch the new-found goodness in his heart to melt away.
I never cared for the Governor, but I feel it was more my disdain for the way the actor played him than the character himself. He was never dark enough for me when it came time to go dark. When we finally saw his dark side it felt very forced. The actor seemed to deadpan through all his bad-guy scenes. Him chasing Rick's group through the woods could've been an episode of Dukes of Hazzard, IMO. "Get them Duke boys! We gotcha now! Guhee-Guhee-Guheeee!"
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carrrnuttt
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I pretty much agree. I've always felt that the governor was an over the top character but this episode was well done. It actually made the governor feel less comic bookish if that makes sense.
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lol!!
They popped up in the final scene and in next weeks peek.
I don't know how they went from this:
To this:
I would have gone with someone more like Ray McKinnon. He can do "creepy nice" just fine, and he's from freakin' Georgia.
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I would have gone with someone more like Ray McKinnon. He can do "creepy nice" just fine, and he's from freakin' Georgia.
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Josh Holloway looks exactly like that drawing of the Governor. Would have been interesting to see his take on the role. They probably even went to him first and low balled him the way AMC is notorious to do and then went with the guy who looked nothing like the Governor.
Completely agree.
Couldn't have Carol said that the Karen and David both died and turned? I don't get it.
I immediately thought that, but none of the characters did.
I immediately thought that, but none of the characters did.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
The 'next week' previews saved it for me. With what the black hat saw at ep end, I was expecting another few weeks of blah, but apparently it should be a good next episode.
This episode had no tension. My view? Ah, this is exactly what I thought was going to happen because it was boring and predictable. Black hat is black hat. We didn't need an episode--those five words suffice.
Still, next week looks fun, so I'm still hanging in there.
This episode had no tension. My view? Ah, this is exactly what I thought was going to happen because it was boring and predictable. Black hat is black hat. We didn't need an episode--those five words suffice.
Still, next week looks fun, so I'm still hanging in there.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Gah, if he doesn't...
If the tank is a sign of anything, it will be and if not, I will agree that it is too long.
Just my opinion but I thought last nights episode was the dumbest of the entire series to date, and it was laughably stupid how it ended.
All that stuff with the Governors journey was total BS, last weeks episode made me feel like we were seeing character development with him, but we didn't, it all brought us right back here where we thought we would end up with the psycho governor trying to take the prison.
He killed his own people again and he's gone insane, again, but he replenished his gang and got more weapons and,,, wait for it,,, a tank. Seriously?
Let me put it this way. This season started with our gang in the prison and we're afraid the Guv was in the shadows waiting to take the prison and that's exactly where we ended up. However, it's like the writers were a bunch of 20 year old guys sitting in a room smoking pot and they were like;
"Dude bro, we need to like, make the governor like, more badass and stuff. Cuz he killed all his peeps so he needs like, weapons and stuff if he's gonna take the prison. OMG dude, what if we like figured out a way to like give him a tank? NOOO WAY BRO A TANK? THATS CRAZY! Yeah dude we'll like, just say he ran into this guy who like HAS a tank and the governor will like, get the tank and bring it to the prison! WOAHHHHH!"
Seriously, a tank?
All that stuff with the Governors journey was total BS, last weeks episode made me feel like we were seeing character development with him, but we didn't, it all brought us right back here where we thought we would end up with the psycho governor trying to take the prison.
He killed his own people again and he's gone insane, again, but he replenished his gang and got more weapons and,,, wait for it,,, a tank. Seriously?
Let me put it this way. This season started with our gang in the prison and we're afraid the Guv was in the shadows waiting to take the prison and that's exactly where we ended up. However, it's like the writers were a bunch of 20 year old guys sitting in a room smoking pot and they were like;
"Dude bro, we need to like, make the governor like, more badass and stuff. Cuz he killed all his peeps so he needs like, weapons and stuff if he's gonna take the prison. OMG dude, what if we like figured out a way to like give him a tank? NOOO WAY BRO A TANK? THATS CRAZY! Yeah dude we'll like, just say he ran into this guy who like HAS a tank and the governor will like, get the tank and bring it to the prison! WOAHHHHH!"
Seriously, a tank?
carrrnuttt
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Ok the guy who wrote the comic started smoking pot. LoL I am not a purist I dont care who wrote it, it's still dumb in my opinion.
This show is at it's best when it's dealing with raw human emotions, survival, hope and sadness. Basic humanity. That's what I love about it. Not the governor just happening to stumble upon an armored division that just happened to be hanging out in the woods waiting for him to (very easily) kill the leaders and take command. Stupid. Again, in my opinion. I mean nobody in that group finds it odd that this guy shows up and all the leaders suddenly died and now he's leading them off into war with some group in a prison. "yeah ok sounds good lets go! Who has the keys to the tank??"
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Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
As long as this stupid black hat story line ends, I'll be all right with it. But it must end. Period. No more 'nice way to end it' but then 'ooooh, he's back--dun dun dun!' stunts.
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So, the big midseason finale is the Governor attacks the prison...AGAIN?! there's got to be something else that happens to spin that story in a completely new direction, right? Right?
