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I'm not a fan when they split each separate story arcs into their own episode. I much prefer when they interweave between them in the same episode. As such, I was not a fan of the last 2 episodes.
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Totally agree with what you guys are saying.
I was behind, been busy last couple Sundays so I got caught up tonight. I was so bored I played with my phone most of the 1st episode and was mildly interested in the 2nd episode but overall, yeah, total fumble after a great start to this season. Hope they get out of this funk fast.
I was behind, been busy last couple Sundays so I got caught up tonight. I was so bored I played with my phone most of the 1st episode and was mildly interested in the 2nd episode but overall, yeah, total fumble after a great start to this season. Hope they get out of this funk fast.
I'm beginning to think that it's their "style" of storytelling. It's the same thing every season, no?
That was some crappy editing in the back story. The quick transitions between back story and present day were sloppy. Not to mention that a couple times it seemed completely random. At least in Lost you got that longing stare between each one. 
Meh episode but not bad by any stretch.
Meh episode but not bad by any stretch.
I enjoyed the backstory, but I wish they'd had given a bit more of the backstory of why he had killed all the people. It was ambiguous. The actor provided it during Talking Dead, and it was a lift directly from the comics. For those who don't know, all those people were his neighbors and friends, people he had known and that were holed up together, and while he was out scouting for supplies they all raped his family.
Given that fact, his family was stupid to leave him...sure he is violent but damn it if that's not what you want. As the actor put it, Abraham is a soldier and that's his work. His family never had seen him at work before, but they did then. And he's good at his work.
Eugene, what a dipwad. "Again, I'm smarter than you..." *POW*
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Given that fact, his family was stupid to leave him...sure he is violent but damn it if that's not what you want. As the actor put it, Abraham is a soldier and that's his work. His family never had seen him at work before, but they did then. And he's good at his work.
Eugene, what a dipwad. "Again, I'm smarter than you..." *POW*
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the reason they do this is $. It would cripple each episode's budget to have that huge of an ensemble in every episode. Actors are paid on an episode basis and that's likely why the characters are constantly pulled apart from each other.
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the bigger problem with what they did was by showing the sting of Carol being brought to the hospital at the end of that episode, we KNOW how that part of the story ends. We don't know who Crossbow guy has with him, but the audience is now really far ahead of Carol's fate.
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problem with all of that is because we didn't SEE any of that, none of his flashback made any sense.
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My guess is that Daryll is with Noah.
Agreed, that was a big mistake from the storytelling. It was not a good corner to cut, because it colors EVERYTHING about those flashbacks. Was a very dumb decision. I wasn't happy with the flashbacks until I watched Talking Dead, and then my wife and I were both "aaaahhh, ok. his family was really stupid."
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That makes sense, thanks for the insight. Out of curiosity, how much of a show's budget is for actor salary?
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That's a question above my current pay grade! But, let's say it's a star driven show... With one big star and three or four regulars. You're loooking at 150k per for the star and anywhere between 20-50 for the other regulars. That's prob breakdown for a new network show, but all those prices go up and up the more seasons you've got.
I think per episode cost is usually 2-4 million all in with production costs, director, actor and writers fee. That varies from show to show and network to cable.
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Then why is it other major shows with huge ensemble casts manage to not fall into the same avoidable rut Walking Dead does?
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What show besides Game of Thrones has a cast THIS big?
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So apparently the reason Abraham killed those guys in his flash back was because those were his friends and guys he met from the military.
While Abraham was on a run to get food and supplies, his friends and army guys raped his family. That's why his family looked so terrified.
And even though he's in the military, the family's never seen him actually kill people. The shock from that plus the fact that his friends raped them scared them so much that they left him.
While Abraham was on a run to get food and supplies, his friends and army guys raped his family. That's why his family looked so terrified.
And even though he's in the military, the family's never seen him actually kill people. The shock from that plus the fact that his friends raped them scared them so much that they left him.
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If that's the case, then I think they did a terrible job of imparting that with the flashbacks. I can't stand the 'Talking Dead' nor have I read the comics and I'm not sure how I could have gotten all that out of those scenes. Maybe I need to re-watch.
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Like what? The same thing happens on GOT where you don't see major characters for entire episodes. Also, as we're in Season... what... 5 now? The regulars like who have been there since season 1 like Carol, Glen, Rick and Darryl's salaries have all likely escalated to be pretty damn pricey. And which characters are usually split up story-wise as the show has moved forward in later seasons as the ensemble grew? Those four people more often then not.
Also, most shows have standing sets and don't have anywhere CLOSE to SPFX Walking Dead does. Shooting on location and effects cost a ton.
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Well, that definitely didn't come across in the episode and even if that WAS the story, it makes very little sense.
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Yea I heard that from someone whose read the comics.
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It was also confirmed by the actor as well.
The situation did not come through, but I thought that there was no question the family was scared of Abraham, obviously based on what he did to the rapists, regardless of whether we knew WHY he did it.
Unfortunately, that gives a false impression of the current state of the character. On one hand, it sounds like he's just a psychotic bully, but after hearing why he killed those guys, it sounds more reasonable.
Either way, though, the stupidity of characters came through when the family took off and left him. Lot of good that did them.
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agree with all of that. the flashbacks were just completely bungled in that episode. i mean, unless they just WANT us to think he's a monster, but if that's the case, there's no reason for the actor after to tell us what really happened in the flashbacks.
pretty odd.
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Well, Sons of Anarchy comes immediately to mind.
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I'm not a Sons fan, but I don't remember that cast being THAT big.
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not to mention they've continually killed off major characters, which allows for wiggle room budget wise. and again, I'm thinking Sons has standing sets and their FX budget can't even come close to rivaling Walking Dead or GOT.
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