The Walking Dead (AMC)

[Covert Rain]

(And no chickenhead I dont need comic book spoilers im reading the comic too =P)

LOL. I won't do it. I won't go near the comics until this show is done.

 

[BigRedRage]

LOL. I won't do it. I won't go near the comics until this show is done.

I have compendium one for now, it stops well before Negan so I know its safe, just staying right behind the show for the most part. Ive had it for 6 months and finally opened it on an airplane and its amazing, I got sucked right in once I got past the beginning as it was mostly identical.

Compendium one:

Introducing the first eight volumes of the fan-favorite, New York Times
Best Seller series collected into one massive paperback collection! Collects The
Walking Dead #1-48. This is the perfect collection for any fan of the Emmy
Award-winning television series on AMC: over one thousand pages chronicling the beginning of Robert Kirkman's Eisner Award-winning continuing story of survival horror- from Rick Grimes' waking up alone in a hospital, to him and his family seeking solace on Hershel's farm, and the controversial introduction of Woodbury despot: The Governor. In a world ruled by the dead, we are finally forced to finally start living.

 

[chickenhead]

Ha! I've been very tempted to read the comics myself.

Back to the "debate" though. I think they should have revealed who died in the last episode. The cliffhanger of what's going to happen next is as powerful as who dies, because it's about survival of the group, and no way Rick takes Negan's "deal." (Just my reading from the show. It would be an interesting development were he broken enough to do so.)

I can see it being drawn out at the beginning of next season, but like they did with Terminus in a single episode, not over the course of several. Especially if it intercuts and fills in gaps with storylines from Rick's gang, Alexandria, and maybe even others (Wolves?).

I don't see it taking place over several episodes because they just spent a bunch of episodes setting up Negan's debut. Although, if they did, much internet ink would be spilled, with Stout posting about it from a distance, but many many people would keep watching. I think some are underestimating TWD as an apocalyptic soap opera. Many people have fallen off in the course of the show, and others have caught up through Netflix--including me.

Anyway, I dislike Negan and if he gets to know Lucille in an ironic way, I shall not be upset.

 

[BigRedRage]

Ha! I've been very tempted to read the comics myself.

Back to the "debate" though. I think they should have revealed who died in the last episode. The cliffhanger of what's going to happen next is as powerful as who dies, because it's about survival of the group, and no way Rick takes Negan's "deal." (Just my reading from the show. It would be an interesting development were he broken enough to do so.)

I can see it being drawn out at the beginning of next season, but like they did with Terminus in a single episode, not over the course of several. Especially if it intercuts and fills in gaps with storylines from Rick's gang, Alexandria, and maybe even others (Wolves?).

I don't see it taking place over several episodes because they just spent a bunch of episodes setting up Negan's debut. Although, if they did, much internet ink would be spilled, with Stout posting about it from a distance, but many many people would keep watching. I think some are underestimating TWD as an apocalyptic soap opera. Many people have fallen off in the course of the show, and others have caught up through Netflix--including me.

Anyway, I dislike Negan and if he gets to know Lucille in an ironic way, I shall not be upset.

I cant imagine how Rick will refuse Negans offer. If anything I see them playing along while plotting how to take him out. It should be wild either way. I could see the group partnering with the guys Carol and Morgan are with to fight back but again, I think they will have to play along with the give us half your stuff and lay low while plotting a way to fight as they are severely outnumbered and Negans group seems to know the geography of the area much better.

 

[devilalum]

If I had a dollar for every frat dude that will dress up as Negan for Halloween this year...

 

[oaken1]

I cant imagine how Rick will refuse Negans offer. If anything I see them playing along while plotting how to take him out. It should be wild either way. I could see the group partnering with the guys Carol and Morgan are with to fight back but again, I think they will have to play along with the give us half your stuff and lay low while plotting a way to fight as they are severely outnumbered and Negans group seems to know the geography of the area much better.

of course they have to accept the offer at the time...they are surrounded.

however, if...IF...that was Negans entire crew there...they do not have the Alexandrians outnumbered all that much....

either way,.... King Negan just aint gonna fly..it is just a matter of how long they drag it out until he ends up dead.

would be kinda neat to see Michonne slice him up....has she ever went all chop suey on a live person before?

 

[Stout]

except you are assuming everyone has the same taste as you. I dont see FTWD as solid crap. I see reality TV as solid crap and it is the biggest genre in TV right now and millions upon millions keep up with it consistantly.

I highly doubt they would lose massive viewership over that.

I know folks don't have the same opinion as me, and that's fine. I do find it funny that you watch something I consider solid gold crap, that it mystifies me how viewers are tricked into still watching it, and you defend it with your every post...while at the same time bashing people for something in the exact manner I'm bashing your show

No worries. I think certain things are awesome that others think are crap.

 

[Covert Rain]

I know folks don't have the same opinion as me, and that's fine. I do find it funny that you watch something I consider solid gold crap, that it mystifies me how viewers are tricked into still watching it, and you defend it with your every post...while at the same time bashing people for something in the exact manner I'm bashing your show

No worries. I think certain things are awesome that others think are crap.

The major difference for me is I don't think this show is crap. I think despite some flaws it's still one of the best shows on TV. I wouldn't in a million years put this is the same category as Reality TV junk.

I think with any show that is critically acclaimed, people expect a show over it's run to maintain the same quality. There isn't a show on TV, no matter how many awards that came it's way that didn't eventually suffer in quality. Which in turn gives even it's most die hard fans more to bitch about as it goes along.

 

[BigRedRage]

I know folks don't have the same opinion as me, and that's fine. I do find it funny that you watch something I consider solid gold crap, that it mystifies me how viewers are tricked into still watching it, and you defend it with your every post...while at the same time bashing people for something in the exact manner I'm bashing your show

No worries. I think certain things are awesome that others think are crap.

I'm fine with bashing a genre but I make no claims about how reality tv will go away and viewership will decline just because of my opinion of the genre. I'm not being tricked, I like zombie stuff. I even like crappy zombie movies. There is no trickery happening.

 

[Chaplin]

The major difference for me is I don't think this show is crap. I think despite some flaws it's still one of the best shows on TV. I wouldn't in a million years put this is the same category as Reality TV junk.

I think with any show that is critically acclaimed, people expect a show over it's run to maintain the same quality. There isn't a show on TV, no matter how many awards that came it's way that didn't eventually suffer in quality. Which in turn gives even it's most die hard fans more to bitch about as it goes along.

While I agree with your first paragraph, I don't agree with your second. I can give you an example off the top of my head-- Breaking Bad. Even Game of Thrones can fit that.

 

[oaken1]

I'm fine with bashing a genre but I make no claims about how reality tv will go away and viewership will decline just because of my opinion of the genre. I'm not being tricked, I like zombie stuff. I even like crappy zombie movies. There is no trickery happening.

yeah, see.....I have the same affliction... bigtime zombie buff.....I have sat through movies that had far less budget than one episode of fear...and made it to the end.... of course, these days there are so many out there...I often find ones even I cannot sit through....

have to admit though...that $5 dvd I bought at walmart about the Nazi werewolf zombies was worth every dollar I spent on it.

 

[BigRedRage]

While I agree with your first paragraph, I don't agree with your second. I can give you an example off the top of my head-- Breaking Bad. Even Game of Thrones can fit that.

breaking bad ended in season 5 though. If it kept going it would have been hard to keep it good IMO. I am glad they ended it where they did.

 

[BigRedRage]

have to admit though...that $5 dvd I bought at walmart about the Nazi werewolf zombies was worth every dollar I spent on it.

sounds pretty awesome to me

 

[slinslin]

While I agree with your first paragraph, I don't agree with your second. I can give you an example off the top of my head-- Breaking Bad. Even Game of Thrones can fit that.

The last season of Breaking Bad was not nearly as good as the previous seasons.

The last season of Game of Thrones was not as good as the previous ones, this has to do with the books of course since book 4 pretty boring compared to the other books and we are still going through some of these boring story lines in the next season.

 

[Covert Rain]

While I agree with your first paragraph, I don't agree with your second. I can give you an example off the top of my head-- Breaking Bad. Even Game of Thrones can fit that.

Suffer in quality doesn't mean it's bad. What I am saying is that shows, even the best of them go through peaks and valleys. I have never ever watched a show that didn't go through that. Even in your example, I heard plenty of people bitch about Breaking Bad having a sub par season.

 

[Stout]

The last season of Breaking Bad was not nearly as good as the previous seasons.

The last season of Game of Thrones was not as good as the previous ones, this has to do with the books of course since book 4 pretty boring compared to the other books and we are still going through some of these boring story lines in the next season.

The last season of GoT, with a few episode/part selections, sucked balls. I won't blame book 4--which was atrocious and poorly done--because for seasons 4 and 5, they raided whatever material they wanted to from books 4 and 5. Yes, book 4, and the first part of book 5 (catching up) was appalling, but the show runners didn't fall into that particular trap. They fell into different traps altogether, and it'll be interesting to see if they can get out of them. I'm giving Season 6 about three episodes to see if they can.

Suffer in quality doesn't mean it's bad. What I am saying is that shows, even the best of them go through peaks and valleys. I have never ever watched a show that didn't go through that. Even in your example, I heard plenty of people bitch about Breaking Bad having a sub par season.

Yeah, but when something's already uneven and it suffers in quality, it's quite easy to get bad. What I'll agree on is something Chap and I discussed and agreed on in the past. Namely, what great shows were great for long runs? Not many, not many at all. And, when they get that long, they don't run in peaks and valleys so much as they roll down the hill, either slowly or quickly.

I'll also agree that TWD used to run in peaks and valleys. My problem is that there were very few peaks and huuuuuuge valleys, IMO. The midseason finales used to be the biggest peaks in the show, for me, and would drag me back. That stupid hospital one that just flat-out sucked finally ended it for me. The valley that led to what was going to be, without a doubt, more valley.

Now, granted, with the ridiculously stupid Governor resurrection mess, I should have given up well before that midseason finale. The show had lost me, so I should have cut bait. I accept that as my own fault.

Still, what I found to be mostly valley with this show, others have been willing to endure, or even found to be minor peaks. To each their own.

 

[oaken1]

The last season of GoT, with a few episode/part selections, sucked balls. I won't blame book 4--which was atrocious and poorly done--because for seasons 4 and 5, they raided whatever material they wanted to from books 4 and 5. Yes, book 4, and the first part of book 5 (catching up) was appalling, but the show runners didn't fall into that particular trap. They fell into different traps altogether, and it'll be interesting to see if they can get out of them. I'm giving Season 6 about three episodes to see if they can.



Yeah, but when something's already uneven and it suffers in quality, it's quite easy to get bad. What I'll agree on is something Chap and I discussed and agreed on in the past. Namely, what great shows were great for long runs? Not many, not many at all. And, when they get that long, they don't run in peaks and valleys so much as they roll down the hill, either slowly or quickly.

I'll also agree that TWD used to run in peaks and valleys. My problem is that there were very few peaks and huuuuuuge valleys, IMO. The midseason finales used to be the biggest peaks in the show, for me, and would drag me back. That stupid hospital one that just flat-out sucked finally ended it for me. The valley that led to what was going to be, without a doubt, more valley.

Now, granted, with the ridiculously stupid Governor resurrection mess, I should have given up well before that midseason finale. The show had lost me, so I should have cut bait. I accept that as my own fault.

Still, what I found to be mostly valley with this show, others have been willing to endure, or even found to be minor peaks. To each their own.

M*A*S*H*
SOA

 

[Stout]

M*A*S*H*
SOA

Agreed. So, that's two. Even one of my favorite shows, Hill Street Blues (#3 for me behind M*A*S*H and Rome), which had a long run for its time, really lagged in quality in the later seasons.

M*A*S*H went a bit awry when they gave Alda such control. SoA kept going to the song-over well too much, and got a bit too soap opera-ish in the later seasons. Great shows, no doubt about it, but even they had their flaws. So few shows can just be flat-out amazing for their entire run. I don't think there's a single long-running show that was simply perfect for its entire run.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Agreed. So, that's two. Even one of my favorite shows, Hill Street Blues (#3 for me behind M*A*S*H and Rome), which had a long run for its time, really lagged in quality in the later seasons.

M*A*S*H went a bit awry when they gave Alda such control. SoA kept going to the song-over well too much, and got a bit too soap opera-ish in the later seasons. Great shows, no doubt about it, but even they had their flaws. So few shows can just be flat-out amazing for their entire run. I don't think there's a single long-running show that was simply perfect for its entire run.

Six Feet Under
Cheers
Curb Your Enthusiam
Louie

Although, I think out of that list, only Cheers went on for more then 6 seasons.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'd put Seinfeld on the list too. I know the latter seasons were not as good as the earlier ones but they're still really damn funny. I think they get judged a bit too harshly because of the stratospheric heights the show reached in its peak. Season 8 had some of the best episodes in the series.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Six Feet Under
Cheers
Curb Your Enthusiam
Louie

Although, I think out of that list, only Cheers went on for more then 6 seasons.

I'd put The Sopranos on here also. It had a couple missteps along the way, but it was pretty incredible TV for the overwhelming majority of it's entire run, ending with a fantastic last season.

 

[Covert Rain]

Six Feet Under
Cheers
Curb Your Enthusiam
Louie

Although, I think out of that list, only Cheers went on for more then 6 seasons.

I think Cheers is a good example of roller coaster. It started off slow, then just got great. Then there was this lull (I think it was the last season with Diane) and then the show seemed to hit another stride.

 

[chickenhead]

It’s been totally weird that both women in the bunker that Carol and Maggie killed both showed up as country singers on Nashville within a couple weeks… We’re not supposed to trust Alicia Witt’s character anyway, but she has an added menace to her now.

 

[NJCardFan]

I'd put The Sopranos on here also. It had a couple missteps along the way, but it was pretty incredible TV for the overwhelming majority of it's entire run, ending with a fantastic last season.

Breaking Bad was great from season 1 to season 5.

 

[BigRedRage]

Breaking Bad was great from season 1 to season 5.

except the fly episode