yeah no ish Kurt. But weren't you the one saying you want to throw it almost everytime? Aren't you calling the plays 90% of the time at the line like was reported?
Last number I heard was 25%. Warner is hardly unique in desiring to throw the ball. Many QB's have many times said that they would rather throw than run.
We are one of the the top 10 pass pro teams in the league and maybe higher with how much we drop back. We just shut out a Eagles team that sacked the steelers like 7 times in one half. We held the pass rush happy Giants to below their average. Are you even serious with that statement?
Very serious. Warner is lucky to not have been injured the last two weeks and it's in large part because the o-line is performing badly. Go listen to the two most recent coach Whis press conferences. He mentions many times that the o-line was making errors. I wonder why you even bring this point up. You're not really defending the o-line are you? Not after actually watching the last two games. Get out a stopwatch and see what kind of time Warner had to throw the ball.
And like I have said hundreds of times - He is one of the biggest offenders of the running game being so suspect.
You can say it a hundred more but it simply isn't true. The RB's getting hit in the backfield and having no holes to run through is what's hurting the running game. I'm continually amazed at how much people are confusing a designed, delayed draw plays as an indicator of Warner being slow to hand it off. It must be that because the offense rarely calls anything else.
Fell to pieces? LMAO. He had a bad half against what now looks like one of the better secondaries in the league and on the road.
First of all, they don't have one of the best secondaries, they have one of the worst run defenses. Their passing defense is very skewed because they're 28th in the league in pass attempts against. Know why? Because they give up 158 yards/game rushing. Second, you're acting like Leinart only had that one bad half. Let's forget that that particular half was for his starting job and that he was playing vs. a vanilla defense in the preseason. He also lost more and more playing time in 2007 because he, admittedly, didn't grasp the offense and his dedication to the game was questionable. And his production on the field was very poor as well. 2 TD, 4 INT and 53% completions last year. His only success has come mostly against 3rd & 4th stringers in preseason.
Actually the defense is pretty damn good if they are not having to defend their half of the field.
That's baloney. What about the Cowboys game where they gave up the lead in the 4th quarter or the Carolina game where they couldn't get the ball back with 6 minutes left in the 4th or making Shaun Hill and just about every other opposing QB look very godlike? The defense has been passable for much of the season but they are always giving up long TD's and are rarely able to stop a team from driving the ball down the field. Their 26.1 ppg ranking isn't any more dominated by short fields than other teams.
Yeah those Rams teams and Kurt 8 games in NY they were known as a power running team
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They also had a hall of fame back and Oline.
No one said they were power running teams but Warner's handoffs didn't slow any of them down. Just like they aren't now. And what HOF o-lineman are you referencing? Pace? That's a potential 1 out of 15.
Tom Brady has been a superstar before he had Moss and Welker. Donovon Mcnabb had been winning and producing without the luxury of All Pros other then T.O. Should I keep going.
You haven't started yet as far as I'm concerned. Try picking a QB that wasn't on a dominating team. Put any decent QB on those New England/Philadelphia teams and they would have benefitted as much as Brady and McNabb have. Hell, A.J. freakin' Feely and Jeff Garcia both proved that in Philly. Brady had a truly spectacular year last year but he wasn't carrying the Patriots or winning on his own before that. This year, New England's still in first place with a high school QB.
My point is those guys take over games and make people better. Warner is just smart enough to get it to the right people. But if they are having an off game it's lights out at that point.
So the 5 drops vs. Philly and multiple fumbles by Boldin and the 2 dropped TD's vs. NY were because Warner didn't will the receivers to catch it in addition to putting it on their hands?
Just name his best game as a Cardinal against a legitimate defense. That's all I ask.
Perfect game vs. Miami? Do they count as legitimate? He also did well vs. Dallas and Buffalo which are both top half on defense. He's had his struggles but NYG, Philly, Carolina and Washington are all top 10 in ppg. Most QB's struggle against them.
Things changed once he blew out his knew against Pitt but that certainly seemed to be the right move at that point, no? And yes Kitna was the "almost" MVP that year....kind of like Kurt is the "almost" MVP of this year
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First of all, if you think Kitna had any shot at the MVP in 2003 then your crack is officially working. Brad Johnson, Matt Hasslebeck and Brett Favre all had as good of or better a year than Kitna and Manning and McNair were better than all of them. That's just the QB's. Lewis had 2,066 yards rushing that year and Priest Holmes had 27 TD's. Where do you see Kitna as "almost" winning the MVP? Warner is still a top 3-5 choice for MVP right now. Probably won't win it but Kitna wasn't even top 10 in 2003.
And you are just crazy if you think sacrificing ANY of the 4 players at the cost of Warner is worthwhile. Even Dansby projects to have a bigger impact for a longer time then Warner. And I am no Dansby apologist.
5 tackles/game and 3 sacks is more valuable than what Warner is doing at QB? It would be impossible to draft a LB that could produce those kinds of numbers. Of course, disrupting the perinneal 27th ranked defense would be bad. That 3rd ranked offense can be done by anyone.
But I also think its worthwile to see what we have and give him those reps rather then commiting double figures to a flawed QB who I dont think has the goods when it comes playing good teams.
Leinart's next chance will be his 4th as a starter. Just how many chances and opportunities does he deserve? Warner showed last year that he could handle the starting job and reduced his turnovers. This year he won the job and reduced his turnovers even more. No, he didn't help beat the NYG but c'mon, he's been an important part of the many big wins the Cardinals have accomplished in the last two years. He's an elite QB that isn't going to break the bank or the continuity of the offense.
I mean you watch the same games I do, right? You don't think his turnovers have been so killer these last 2 games? Is it just a conicidence to you they happened against two legit defenses? Boldins fumble in the Eagle game was killer too but he does it once in a blue moon. Warner has 7 in 3 games. That's acceptable? Are we following the same team???
I'm not saying that Warner's turnovers were acceptable but I don't see how you can point out the poor play by Boldin and the other receivers and then act like Warner was the one who alone swallowed his butthole. 30 points and two dropped TD's vs. NYG and a bad start/game vs. Philly. Until the Philly game he was the highest rated QB in the league and on a short week, after being hit, what 40+ times vs. the Giants he starts slow on the road and gets little support from his usually explosive receiving corps and it's time to put him out to pasture? Warner's made some mistakes but since we're talking about actually watching these games, you have noticed the beating he's taking, right? And the offense is all on him. There is less than a running game and a split second to make a decision in the passing game. Receivers are dropping balls, fumbling and not getting off the line with man coverage. Defenses know pass or run almost every time and everyone is ready to give up on the QB who's gutting it out because he's made 8 mistakes in 150 attempts over the last 3 weeks.
I don't need him to throw for 300 yards and 4 TD's against the Giants. Just don't turnover the damn ball.
Again, 1 INT and 1 lost FUM in 53 attempts and 2 dropped TD's.
The expectations are quite high around here.
