Things I'm buying/selling

[spanky1]

Some time ago I said that Dockett was starting to demonstrate leadership and that Eric Green was hungry.....and K9'S response was along the lines that my comments were just pure optimism with no substance. This is my response.....k9, you are completly wrong. May I suggest that you review our staff bio's and if you really can connect the dots, you'll see where my "information" might come from....."nuff" said.

Here's what I'm buying:

a) Elton Brown may not make the team, but I'm buying that he will. How can you give up on a mammoth G who played pretty darn decently as a rookie. Yes, he needs to get in better shape, but how can you give up on a 4th round pick who might have been a realistic 2nd rounder in 2005...and as a depth player, and as a potentially developing player with a good cap number, it makes zero sense to let him go. Hell, he is still PS eligible.

b) Oliver Ross as the opening season RT....I'm buying.....but he'll get hurt at some point and Levi Brown takes over.....forever.

c) Al Johnson as the starter at C....I'm buying. He is simply stronger, more experienced, and a leader.

Here's what I'm selling:

a) Gabe Watson is a bust....I'm selling. Anyone who outperformed his draft round position and who made the 53 man roster and played throughout the season as a rookie is not a bust. And coming into camp at 305 versus 335 pounds tells me the teams that passed on him will be sorry.

b) Shipp as the number 2 back....I'm selling. See below.

c) The O-Line sucks....I'm selling. I know, the proof is in the pudding but this works both ways. Grimm gets it all figured out and after all he has Whiz's ear and respect. Big difference between Green and Loney versus Whiz and Grimm. Grimm has the right type of players to make this a potential strength on this team....and watch the difference this will make for JJ Arrington....see above.

d) We reached for Alan Branch at #33...I'm selling. This guy will be the reason we can move to a 3-4 quicker than a NY minute.

 

[vinnymac]

Some time ago I said that Dockett was starting to demonstrate leadership and that Eric Green was hungry.....and K9'S response was along the lines that my comments were just pure optimism with no substance. This is my response.....k9, you are completly wrong. May I suggest that you review our staff bio's and if you really can connect the dots, you'll see where my "information" might come from....."nuff" said.

Here's what I'm buying:

a) Elton Brown may not make the team, but I'm buying that he will. How can you give up on a mammoth G who played pretty darn decently as a rookie. Yes, he needs to get in better shape, but how can you give up on a 4th round pick who might have been a realistic 2nd rounder in 2005...and as a depth player, and as a potentially developing player with a good cap number, it makes zero sense to let him go. Hell, he is still PS eligible.

b) Oliver Ross as the opening season RT....I'm buying.....but he'll get hurt at some point and Levi Brown takes over.....forever.

c) Al Johnson as the starter at C....I'm buying. He is simply stronger, more experienced, and a leader.

Here's what I'm selling:

a) Gabe Watson is a bust....I'm selling. Anyone who outperformed his draft round position and who made the 53 man roster and played throughout the season as a rookie is not a bust. And coming into camp at 305 versus 335 pounds tells me the teams that passed on him will be sorry.

b) Shipp as the number 2 back....I'm selling. See below.

c) The O-Line sucks....I'm selling. I know, the proof is in the pudding but this works both ways. Grimm gets it all figured out and after all he has Whiz's ear and respect. Big difference between Green and Loney versus Whiz and Grimm. Grimm has the right type of players to make this a potential strength on this team....and watch the difference this will make for JJ Arrington....see above.

d) We reached for Alan Branch at #33...I'm selling. This guy will be the reason we can move to a 3-4 quicker than a NY minute.

I am selling Elton Brown to the highest bidder. The man wasn't even good enough to make an appearance all season long with the troubles cardinals were having with the o-line last season. I love the way Elton Brown kept the brench from flying away and didn't let anybody get more than there fair share gator-aid.

I am buying that Ross will be on the roster this season. When a new coach comes in they want to have as many of there guys as possible. Ross was one of there guys in Pittsburgh.

I am buying Al Johnson will be the starting center this season. I give you 7 million reason why. Plus he is a huge up-grade at center.

I selling That Gabe Watson is a bust. How in the world can a second day draft choice be a bust. In my book it cannot happen.

I am buying that Shipp will be the 2nd back. If he can stay on the field this guy is good enough to take some of the load of edgerrin james. Last season he went back to surpress memory territory for him, the endzone.

I will buy that the o-line has potential of improving. I like the idea that they signed Gandy and Johnson and then drafted Levi Brown. Unitl they go play the game we won't know that they are better or not. Face it, they can't get much worst.

I am selling the idea that you think people think that the cardinals reached for Branch. Are you kidding me. Everybody I heard or talked to think he is a steal in round 2. Please spanky, spank the first person who thinks that Branch was a reach in round 2. Maybe you can knock some sense into them.

 

[kerouac9]

Some time ago I said that Dockett was starting to demonstrate leadership and that Eric Green was hungry.....and K9'S response was along the lines that my comments were just pure optimism with no substance. This is my response.....k9, you are completly wrong. May I suggest that you review our staff bio's and if you really can connect the dots, you'll see where my "information" might come from....."nuff" said.

Babatunde Oshinowo may or may not be picked by the Cardinals with our 2nd overall (#41). But I don't think he'll be there when we pick in the 3rd round (#72 overall). If he is, I'm betting that we'll take him in a NY minute. Why?


b)M. Spurlock, WR. I know that he appears to have some upside as a P Returner, but Walters is going to be our guy for this year at least. Potential P Returners are available each and every year in the late rounds or in FA, so why waste a PS spot on him now.

Mitchell needs more of an opportunity to show us what he really might have....his current knee situation aside (I don't believe that it is serious, rather something that is more day-day).

Robert Griffith won't make the team. It'll be Francisco and Brewer at FS.

Some inside source.

a) Elton Brown may not make the team, but I'm buying that he will. How can you give up on a mammoth G who played pretty darn decently as a rookie. Yes, he needs to get in better shape, but how can you give up on a 4th round pick who might have been a realistic 2nd rounder in 2005...and as a depth player, and as a potentially developing player with a good cap number, it makes zero sense to let him go. Hell, he is still PS eligible.

Because Elton Brown doesn't want to play in the NFL. If Elton Brown makes the team ahead of Milford Brown/Reggie Wells, I'm going to throw up in my mouth.

 

[Ryanwb]

Lol!

 

[kerouac9]

For what it's worth, here's what I'm buying and selling:

Buying: Matt Leinart's Pro Bowl Campaign. #7 should throw 20 TDs against 5 INTs if the ground game can be as efficient as Whis hopes. That combined with his inherent glamour should lead to a debut for the young QB in a diluted NFC at that position.

Selling: Aaron Francisco as a starting FS. This isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Buying: 1300+ yards for Edgerrin James. Not much more than that, but he'll turn in a solid season.

Selling: Double-digit TDs for Edge James. I think we'll pass more in the red zone this season than we did last year (this isn't a bad thing), and I think that Edge prefers not to take the punishment on the goal line.

Buying: Obafemi Ayanbadejo making the roster. He'll be a good 4th FB and 2nd FB. If it were a fair contest, he'd likely beat out Marcel Shipp for the RB job.

Selling: Brandon Gorin's roster spot. The silence on this player has been deafening.

Buying: Jonathan Lewis's roster spot. I think he'll get a chance to play NT after gaining a ton of weight in the offseason.

Selling: Karlos Dansby's Pro Bowl campaign. I love him as a player, but I think the writing is on the wall for his career as an Arizona Cardinal. Rod Graves failed to save cap room for an in-season extension.

Buying: Double-digit sacks for Chike Okeafor. He's never done it in his career, but he may become the focal point of Clancy Pendergast's new schemes.

Selling: Antrel Rolle as #1 cornerback. We don't have a choice this season, but we'll likely be looking for a cornerback either in the 2008 Free Agent market or (more likely) in the draft.

Buying: Antonio Smith's value at defensive end. He'll be placing a ton of pressure on Darnell Dockett by the midpoint of the season.

Selling: Darnell Dockett as an Arizona Cardinal. There will be whispers of him being dangled in trade discussions come February. There's no place for him in the 3-4 defense.

 

[kerouac9]

Best Spanky1 Post Ever:

[My scout friend] actually loves our team..... a lot.... and isn't as concerned about the O-Line as most are here, which was the premise of our exercise to begin with. Sees us as a 9-7/10-6 team team this year.. Felt we were a 7-9 team last year

He couldn't emphasize enough how behind the 8 ball we were with injuries (and I quote...how can you expect anything out of the likes of players like Haayer, Allen, Lynch etc.). He also believes we have one of the better O-Line coaches around in Loney. He feels that Latui was one of the two best O-Linemen in the draft.

He feels our biggest weakness is in the secondary.

Thinks Pope will turn out to be a "highlight" package. Said if he had of stayed for his senior year he would heave been a sure bet early 1st rounder. Also said his blocking skills are way underrated.

 

[Redsz]

Because Elton Brown doesn't want to play in the NFL. If Elton Brown makes the team ahead of Milford Brown/Reggie Wells, I'm going to throw up in my mouth.

Based on what MJ has recently said in his blog, the jury might still be out on this one.

I’ve been very critical of his work ethic and his desire to make it in this league but I must admit OL- Elton Brown look like he’s in much better shape then he’s ever been in the past. Brown mentioned to me after practice today that has lost 40 pounds and would like to lose about 10 more pounds; Brown would like play at 325 pounds who has battled knee problems in the past and never really got out of Denny Green dog house. After a couple of months under the new regime Brown seems motivated to prove that he deserves an opportunity to compete for a back up job.

http://www.xtra910.com/pages/mikejurecki.html

 

[kerouac9]

Yeah, I just saw that on the other thread. Funny how having to look unemployment in the face seems to motivate guys.

We'll see, but he's still on the outside looking in.

 

[spanky1]

Babatunde Oshinowo may or may not be picked by the Cardinals with our 2nd overall (#41). But I don't think he'll be there when we pick in the 3rd round (#72 overall). If he is, I'm betting that we'll take him in a NY minute. Why?


b)M. Spurlock, WR. I know that he appears to have some upside as a P Returner, but Walters is going to be our guy for this year at least. Potential P Returners are available each and every year in the late rounds or in FA, so why waste a PS spot on him now.

Mitchell needs more of an opportunity to show us what he really might have....his current knee situation aside (I don't believe that it is serious, rather something that is more day-day).

Robert Griffith won't make the team. It'll be Francisco and Brewer at FS.

Some inside source.



Because Elton Brown doesn't want to play in the NFL. If Elton Brown makes the team ahead of Milford Brown/Reggie Wells, I'm going to throw up in my mouth.

Did Spurlock beat out Walters? Will Spurlock make this team? Do you think he's better than than Breaston as a ST'er. Were my comments not fairly accurate?

Is Griffith still on our team? And didn't Franciso earn any stripes in your mind based on his performance last year.....call me crazy, but I might have been out only a year.

Did I say that Elton Brown would beat out M. Brown or Reggie Wells....or wasn't my point that he does add depth and is still PS eligible.....and too early to give up on?

Babatunde.....I'll give you this one. Just as I'll give our forum that I was wrong about Wendell Bryant. Are you ever wrong....what's your batting average?

But then again k9, you love to play the devils advocate.

As to "what do people know about the Cardinals living 1600 miles away, living on the east coast"....it's more than 1600 miles from anywhere on the east coast to Phoenix, just an FYI)....but I was a season ticket holder when I lived in Scottsdale (1989-2002) and have followed this team since the days of Sam Etchevery.....any idea as to who he was...or were you not born than?

 

[blindseyed]

Selling: Double-digit TDs for Edge James. I think we'll pass more in the red zone this season than we did last year (this isn't a bad thing), and I think that Edge prefers not to take the punishment on the goal line.
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I agree with the Edge comment but I think Shipp will get 10 TD's ala the Bus in Pitt. with a smashmouth goal line (only if the O-line pans out the way Whis wants it to)

 

[kerouac9]

Did I say that Elton Brown would beat out M. Brown or Reggie Wells....or wasn't my point that he does add depth and is still PS eligible.....and too early to give up on?

How many offensive linemen do you think the Cards are going to keep on the roster? Here are the guys that I'm pretty sure are assured roster spots:

OT Mike Gandy
OT Levi Brown
OG Deuce Lutui
OC Al Johnson
OC Nick Leckey

I think that Oliver Ross will likely make the roster (though a blog post by Somers or Urban saying that he needed a great camp to earn one gave me some pause about this) and I think that Milford Brown's contract makes him nearly impossible to cut. As of right now, Reggie Wells is a starter, and we may be stuck with his contract, as well (an underrated mistake by Rod Graves is placing the wrong tender on Reggie Wells in the 2006 offseason). That's eight players.

 

[spanky1]

How many offensive linemen do you think the Cards are going to keep on the roster? Here are the guys that I'm pretty sure are assured roster spots:

OT Mike Gandy
OT Levi Brown
OG Deuce Lutui
OC Al Johnson
OC Nick Leckey

I think that Oliver Ross will likely make the roster (though a blog post by Somers or Urban saying that he needed a great camp to earn one gave me some pause about this) and I think that Milford Brown's contract makes him nearly impossible to cut. As of right now, Reggie Wells is a starter, and we may be stuck with his contract, as well (an underrated mistake by Rod Graves is placing the wrong tender on Reggie Wells in the 2006 offseason). That's eight players.

What's wrong with Elton Brown on the PS? Do you throw him out with the bathwater given my previous comments...he's young, has talent and adds depth. If Grimm can't save him, then I'll accept the outcome....but it will be him that tells me, not you!

Do you only "subjectively" read any other poster thoughts other than your own?

 

[kerouac9]

Elton Brown is not eligible for the practice squad. Here are the rules for eligibility:

Each NFL team may assemble a five-man developmental group, or practice squad, following final roster cuts. Any player who has not been on a team's 45-man active roster for nine or more games in a single season is eligible for the practice squad, provided they haven't already used their two-year practice squad eligibility.

Look carefully at the bolded section. Now, here's Elton Brown's NFL.com player card. Look at the number of games from his rookie season.

So he's either making the active roster or he's not making the team. Which do you believe will happen?

 

[kerouac9]

I agree with the Edge comment but I think Shipp will get 10 TD's ala the Bus in Pitt. with a smashmouth goal line (only if the O-line pans out the way Whis wants it to)

Just for what it's worth, Bettis only posted double-digit TDs twice in Black & Gold. His first season in Steeltown, and the season before they won the Super Bowl (before Willie Parker became the feature back).

 

[Ryanwb]

Spanky got owned in this thread

 

[BullheadCardFan]

As of right now, Reggie Wells is a starter, and we may be stuck with his contract, as well (an underrated mistake by Rod Graves is placing the wrong tender on Reggie Wells in the 2006 offseason).

Excellent point and I totally agree ... big mistake on Graves part ... put us in a box with no wiggle room ...

 

[SuperSpck]

Buying: k9's alternating buy/sell structure for posting. It's easy to read
AND it's got high nutritional value.

Selling: That the Cardinals still have a true 3-4 NT. That's an important piece to be missing if a team wants to run the 3-4.

Buying: The Whiz "25 attempts or your money back" passing
strategeries (!). When Big Ben was posting some amazing
W-L records his early two years it was because he only once had
over 25 attempts per game. I loved what I've seen out of Matt L
so far and in a system so dedicated to the run he'll no doubt
have an easier time making bigger plays and less time
getting whipped.

Selling: Dockett on the trading block anytime within the next 3 years.

Buying: An in season extention for Dansby. It doesn't mean he won't be a
Cardinal, but it does mean he'll cost a little more to have him.

Buying (!): The odd man out on the offensive line. It seems heavy with
natural guards. Someone's going to be cut but the competition
to NOT be the man cut will only make the team better.
If that's part of Whiz's plan it's a good one.

Neat thread.

 

[nurnay]

d) We reached for Alan Branch at #33...I'm selling. This guy will be the reason we can move to a 3-4 quicker than a NY minute.

I still don't see how people can say we reached in the second round for a guy who was valued as a high to mid first rounder. This guy will be solid for us.

 

[WildBB]

Here's what I'm selling:

a) Gabe Watson is a bust....I'm selling.


d) We reached for Alan Branch at #33...I'm selling. This guy will be the reason we can move to a 3-4 quicker than a NY minute.

As they say in NY; Bank on it. You better believe it. Don't forget it.

 

[Redsz]

Selling: That the Cardinals still have a true 3-4 NT. That's an important piece to be missing if a team wants to run the 3-4.

I'm 'buying' on that one. A rotation of Gabe Watson and Kendrick Clancy sounds good to me.

Plus you have two guys in Branch and Lewis who could also factor into the equation.

 

[Skkorpion]

Buying: This thread. Good stuff, Spanky.

Selling: Spanky's getting insulting when disagreed with.

Settle down Spanky.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Buying: This thread. Good stuff, Spanky.

Selling: Spanky's getting insulting when disagreed with.

Settle down Spanky.

i love Skkorp!

 

[Sandan]

Selling:

Can K9 ever manage to get through a thread without taking a swipe at Rod Graves ?

 

[SuperSpck]

Selling: 4,246 pounds of Orca. Contact me at Seaworld. Ask no questions.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Darn it.. You told me it was Tuna Fish..

Liar..