This about says it all Mr. B

[arthurracoon]

ouch

 

[phillycard]

My God

That is a microcsm of our careers as Cardinal fans. I've always said that If I lived in AZ I would be there week in week out, but that's real easy to say form the confines of a sportsbar with a pitcher of beer and a plate of wings in your face. I don't know if I'd wanna sweat to death in 100 degrees to see my team get their asses whipped royally. Hell, I'm gettin tired of goin to the bar and shelling out $30 bucks to watch. SOSDD!!!

 

[AZ Shocker]

At first I also thought this crowd amount would be embarassing for the PHX metor area but the more I thought about it the more I admired some people's imtelligence.

Thank you! You and I admired a lot of people's intellegence. There's a reason "most" Arizonan's don't support this team, and the Bidwill's will never "get it". They have the worst instincts about how to market, operate, and communicate their product. The only thing the Cardinals offer anybody are the 53 players stealing a paycheck from them.

 

[Second Deck]

I see by the picture you sought shade below the luxury boxes. That is a sad picture please tell me you took it at halftime.

 

[Skkorpion]

It was brutal out there.

I notice that a number of those complaining about the poor attendance live here, consider themselves Cards fans, and chose not to go to the game.

You are part of the problem.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
It was brutal out there.

I notice that a number of those complaining about the poor attendance live here, consider themselves Cards fans, and chose not to go to the game.

You are part of the problem.

Word!

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
It was brutal out there.

I notice that a number of those complaining about the poor attendance live here, consider themselves Cards fans, and chose not to go to the game.

You are part of the problem.

That's very unfair, Skkorp. If I was living in Arizona under my current situation, I wouldn't be going to games either, and it isn't for lack of loyalty. I currently go to Damon's, nurse Pepsi and either an appetizer or their cheapest dinners, and spend very little, just to see the games. There would be no WAY I'd be able to afford going to the real thing. Parking, ticket prices, refreshments (in that heat!)...these would all be far too expensive. Not saying it's more or less than the average NFL venue, just saying it would be too expensive.

To blame every local that can't attend is just plain wrong. Blame those that live there and have the time and money that refuse to show, but not everyone.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
It was brutal out there.

I notice that a number of those complaining about the poor attendance live here, consider themselves Cards fans, and chose not to go to the game.

You are part of the problem.

wow - Skkorp do you ever get tired of ripping on people on this site as "part of the problem" or as shallow? Man was that post uncalled for. I think the people showing their disdain (mind you if I lived there wouldn't be able to do the same because I'm too much of a football junkie) are part of the solution - the crowds HAVE to effect some kind of change in the boys running the team. Those small crowds are messages that we are not happy.

 

[Skkorpion]

Stout, you can get into every Cards game for $5 or less, guaranteed. Often, people just give the tickets away at the stadium entrances when nobody is buying.

People waiting for a winner before buying tickets aren't real fans. That's the way I see it.

 

[Jttsaz]

In all honesty...I would prefer a small crowd with mostly Cardinals fans..then what I am expecting this sunday..15,000 Cards fans and 40,000 Cheeseheads...that is the worst thing in the world beeing booed out of your own stadium...the horror!

 

[SweetD]

Originally posted by Jttsaz
In all honesty...I would prefer a small crowd with mostly Cardinals fans..then what I am expecting this sunday..15,000 Cards fans and 40,000 Cheeseheads...that is the worst thing in the world beeing booed out of your own stadium...the horror!

Wait till Sunday it may happen.

 

[justAndy]

i'm starting to wonder...

.. If I'm a true blue fan, or just a fool. I KNOW the owner cares nothing about winning, this filters down to the players, many of whom seem to have given up, and from the downcast fans at SDS this Sunday, it's seem like it's getting to us....

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Stout, you can get into every Cards game for $5 or less, guaranteed. Often, people just give the tickets away at the stadium entrances when nobody is buying.

People waiting for a winner before buying tickets aren't real fans. That's the way I see it.

So, $5 for a ticket, at least $5 (probably more, judging by other places) for parking, at least $20 bucks, probably more, for drinks alone (that's probably only 4 drinks with stadium prices, and sitting in heat like that, I'd likely need more than 4 drinks). So we're looking, AT MINIMUM, at $30 bucks to see this game. For an unemployed college student. Or heck, even for a family eking out a living on low-paying jobs in a bad economy. I can see the game for $10-15, depending on what I get, at Damon's. Now, I can't afford even this, probably, but I scrape together the cash (I have been known to roll coins to do so) to make it to watch that game.

Now you're saying, if I lived in Arizona, I wouldn't be a real fan? Or others in similar situations aren't real fans because they don't mortgage the house to watch it somewhere more exepnsive? Then you have your nose so far up in the air you can't even LOOK DOWN it at other people. That's such high-and-mighty horse hockey!

There are people out there that can't afford to go to the games that are still fans. Deal with it. There are others out there that may not be real fans, but who could be a difference maker in the stands if they had a reason to be there. We aren't giving them a reason to be there. Deal with it.

 

[Wild Card]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
People waiting for a winner before buying tickets aren't real fans. That's the way I see it.

Skkorp:

How about "people waiting for a team that doesn't get blown out in the first half by mediocre opponents"? How about "people who aren't willing to pay money to sit on metal benches in 110-degree heat and watch the local team get embarrassed"?

I think it's overly simplistic to put people in two buckets, "real fans" and everyone else. In my experience, many/ most sports fans aren't entertained by watching a team that loses the majority of its games, often by large margins, season after season.

Call me a "conditional fan," if you need a label. The Cardinals need to make me sorry I missed their last home game, because it was close, exciting, and well-played, regardless of which team won. The Cards need to make me believe that their next home game could be close, exciting, and well-played, regardless of which team wins. Then there's a chance that I'll pay for the privilege of sweltering in Sun Devil Stadium to see it in person.

There's a lot of people like me. 40-50,000 of us, judging from the empty benches at SDS. Until the Cards can put a consistently competitive team--let alone "a winner"--on the field, we're gonna vote with our dollars.

WC

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Stout, you can get into every Cards game for $5 or less, guaranteed. Often, people just give the tickets away at the stadium entrances when nobody is buying.

People waiting for a winner before buying tickets aren't real fans. That's the way I see it.

Skkorp,
I travel from LA at least once a year to SDS. I prefer not to attend the early heatstroke games but I also like to avoid the late season games because generally we are so far out of the playoff picture that the game is relatively meaningless. I would have been pissed to spend $$$ for travel, hotel, tickets, beer, sun screen etc. and then be treated to a 38-0 shelacking by Seattle. Unless we see some improvement in the coming weeks I will not be going to a game this year because the $$ I spend will outweigh the excitement I will get in return. Does that make me less of a fan - hell no. I'll always bleed red.

 

[RedStorm]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
...
People waiting for a winner before buying tickets aren't real fans. That's the way I see it.

People waiting for a winner is smart. How much many have some of us put into this team in tickets, merchandise, not to mention the mental anguish we go through by just identifying with this team.

No. You are as much a fan to protest and not go for any reason. First. There is a whole lot more in life that ranks higher than football.

Also, I have chosen this year to not "pony" up my hard earned cash for what we see on the field. Am I a Fan. YES. Am I ticked off at how this organization operates. YES!

When they (the Cards) change the will get my change. Until then, I am not holding my breath. I hope they win. I root for them. I will go through the humiliation with them. But I will not go to the games to support them.

I have chosen to guard my heart this time. Why must everyone associate season tickets or going to games with being a fan. I just don't get it.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by RedStorm
I have chosen to guard my heart this time. Why must everyone associate season tickets or going to games with being a fan. I just don't get it.

It is the only tangible way some people can identify who the "true" fans are. Obviously, I disagree with that system and the concept that those who choose to not attend are part of the problem. They wouldn't be a part of the problem if they felt they actually got something in return for their time, effort and most important money.

I have season tix but I don't attend very often. I give them away tp clients and attend a game here and there. Used to buy FlexPacks as well so I could attend more games but stopped doing that...felt I was starting to throw good money after bad.

 

[az240zz]

I don't know if they are part of the problem or not but going to a bar to watch the game and spend more than if they went to the game doesn't make sense to me. If you claim to be a real fan you got the game regardless of what the outcome is going to be!!!

I would think the definition of a real fan is rooting for that team regardles no matter how good or bad they are.

Az240z

 

[justAndy]

...

I've had season tix for 5 yrs now. I'm really starting to wonder if it's worth holding on until the Cards move into the new stadium - the supposed money spigot that will enable them to compete.
I'm starting to think i might be a sucker...
I don't have any beef with fans that don't buy season tix until they see the ownership MAKE A SERIOUS EFFORT TO FIELD A COMPETITIVE TEAM!!!! I'm talking management, coaching, scouting, and players! Clean F****** house! Spend some f****** money, Sqiudwill!!!!!!!! I'm talking to you, Billy Bowtie!!!

 

[justAndy]

bump

...

 

[brews]

I decided not to renew because I saw no commitment from the team to try to change and win. Unfortunately this isn't like politics where if you don't like an officeholder you can simply wait for his term to be over and vote him out.

We've heard for years that sports is entertainment and like other parts of the entertainment industry where if Kevin Costner keeps putting out crap movies, I'll vote with my pocketbook. How else can we get things to change?

I'll go even further and say that some of us who have not renewed are doing more to help the Cardinals. Those showing up to every game are saying to the Bidwills that the status quo is OK. That you don't care about the quality of the product that they put out there, you'll continue to show up and give them your money. If everyone behaved that way, there'd be no change.

If the Cards start getting less than 20K to the game then maybe either the NFL will step in (doubtful) or the Bidwills will sell the team (even more doubtful), but folks, that seems to be the only hope. They aren't signing top tier free agents, and they aren't keeping their own.

 

[Mel Gray TD]

This is the most embarassing picture I have ever seen. Until the Cards win and its not 120 degrees people will not go watch the games. Maybe a walkout is exactly what is needed. REBELLION, I SCREAM!

 

[justAndy]

maybe....

massive season ticket cancellations will make the bidwills WAKE UP...

 

[Cardinal Bob]

Originally posted by Wild Card
Skkorp:

How about "people waiting for a team that doesn't get blown out in the first half by mediocre opponents"?

I'd call 'em a fair weather fan.

How about "people who aren't willing to pay money to sit on metal benches in 110-degree heat and watch the local team get embarrassed"?

Again, a fair weather fan.

 

[Cardinal Bob]

Originally posted by Rivercard
Skkorp,
I travel from LA.....I would have been pissed to spend $$$ for travel, hotel, tickets, beer, sun screen etc. and then be treated to a 38-0 shelacking by Seattle.

My wife and I spent over $1,000 to DRIVE from New Jersey to Kansas City last December to see the Cardinals-Chiefs game, which you remember we lost 49-0. I had a great time! If I had to do it over again, I'd still have gone.

Spent another $1,000+ to again drive from NJ to Denver to see the Bronco-Cardinal game four weeks later. I had no illusions that the Cardinals could win either game...we were too banged up to really compete with those teams. But I still had a blast at both of 'em.

And no, I'm not rich, don't make a big salary, don't live off a trust fund, or anything else. I work for what little money I have.