This Vick stuff just never ends

[Shane]

Who is "they" and how are "they" turning it into a racial issue???

 

[cardsfanmd]

Atleast with Vick in all this trouble, we don't have to hear all the stupid TO stuff we have been hearing year in and year out. I had some sympathy for Vick at first, but this Dude is a complete moron and I hate how they are turning this into a racial matter, this shows things are not as racially good as everybody pretends it to be.

I agree I dont want to hear any TO stuff either. I have HATED Vick since his days at VT, but I did feel sorry for him when this thing first came out. Where I come from and in many areas and many circles in this country dogfighting is nothing out of the ordinary. Whether you participate or not it is just the way things are. I have already spoken my peace on the whole dogfighting issue and have been blasted by a bunch of people on this board who know absolutely nothing about what they are talking about so I am not going down that road again. As far as the race thing goes, I hear that word atleast 50Xs a day on the radio, so I dont know what rock you are under where it isn't presented as a big issue, but I would love an invitation to join you there.

 

[CtCardinals78]

What do you think would sound better at Vick's sentencing?

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Judge Hudson: Gee Michael legal problems really seem to be DOGGING you!!!

 

[CtCardinals78]

I agree I dont want to hear any TO stuff either. I have HATED Vick since his days at VT, but I did feel sorry for him when this thing first came out. Where I come from and in many areas and many circles in this country dogfighting is nothing out of the ordinary. Whether you participate or not it is just the way things are. I have already spoken my peace on the whole dogfighting issue and have been blasted by a bunch of people on this board who know absolutely nothing about what they are talking about so I am not going down that road again. As far as the race thing goes, I hear that word atleast 50Xs a day on the radio, so I dont know what rock you are under where it isn't presented as a big issue, but I would love an invitation to join you there.

But it's still illeagal and unless your either A) Stupid or B) think you're above the law and at some point people participating in this they must realize this. Hence if you continue your actions you get everything you deserve. I don't feel sorry for him, I hope he gets 5 years in prison. What an idiot.

 

[cardsfanmd]

But it's still illeagal and unless your either A) Stupid or B) think you're above the law and at some point people participating in this they must realize this. Hence if you continue your actions you get everything you deserve. I don't feel sorry for him, I hope he gets 5 years in prison. What an idiot.

Pre Marital/oral/anal sex are also illegal in this country. Kissing in public is also a crime in many states. So unless you have never done any of this, acording you, you are either A) Stupid or B) think your above the law. Which one is it?

 

[CtCardinals78]

Pre Marital/oral/anal sex are also illegal in this country. Kissing in public is also a crime in many states. So unless you have never done any of this, acording you, you are either A) Stupid or B) think your above the law. Which one is it?

What a terrible comparison. Besides the crimes you listed being misdemeanors Dogfighting is a felony. Besides, the crimes you listed hardly ever being prosecuted because they are quality of life issues that could probably be aruging under the IX Amendment's interpertation as Right To Privacy, dogfighting is cruel and barbaric.

You mentioned that you got into a heap of trouble because someone stole your dog. What would you have done if they hung and drown your dog? Seriously put it in perspective. There is nothing right or culturally acceptable with Vick's actions that's why it's a felony. I hope he gets 5 years just for being a moron.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Who is "they" and how are "they" turning it into a racial issue???

Well you probably did not watch the ESPN Vick special yesterday, the people who are trying to turn this into a Racial issue are the they, the "They" includes ESPN for harboring that garbage, the so called panel of experts ESPN had yesterday, that were trying to turn this into a racial issue. By saying Bellicheck was handled nicer by the NFL, then Vick and the crowd that was whooped up in a frenzy are the they.
Reporters are hyping a non issue, there are more pressing needs and while Vick is getting Politicians and reporters jumping to his defense, bigger issues like the Genocide in Darfur, the removal of African American votes in the 2000 Presidential Election in Florida, the Ohio Vote fraud of 2004 and the vote caging fraud being done now to African Americans currently serving in the military, are being ignored.

here is a great Movie on the subject if you want to know about Black voter disenfranchisement

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=70&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

 

[CtCardinals78]

Well you probably did not watch the ESPN Vick special yesterday, the people who are trying to turn this into a Racial issue are the they, the "They" includes ESPN for harboring that garbage, the so called panel of experts ESPN had yesterday, that were trying to turn this into a racial issue. By saying Bellicheck was handled nicer by the NFL, then Vick and the crowd that was whooped up in a frenzy are the they.
Reporters are hyping a non issue, there are more pressing needs and while Vick is getting Politicians and reporters jumping to his defense, bigger issues like the Genocide in Darfur, the removal of African American votes in the 2000 Presidential Election in Florida, the Ohio Vote fraud of 2004 and the vote caging fraud being done now to African Americans currently serving in the military, are being ignored.

here is a great Movie on the subject if you want to know about Black voter disenfranchisement

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=70&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Although I do agree that this is not a race issue I do agree with that assessment. Vick tarnished the image of the NFL. I get it don't want to turn it into the NBA.

I think Belicheck got handled differently for 2 reasons.

1).As for as an impact of the NFL I think Belichicks actions were much more severe and detrimental to the league itself. Goodell was very forthcoming and then when he got the info all of a sudden case closed, tapes destroyed nothing ever said again. I believe those tapes had evidence of cheating in the Superbowls. If that got out the league may take a hit it may never recover from. Goodell can't afford that to happen not on his watch. Belichick violated the sanctity of the game and it's integrity, Vick didn't.



2). Belichick may also be the best HC the sport has ever seen (I disagree). Also Vick is just another QB but phenonminal athelete. It can afford to lose Vick, the sport can't afford to lose Belichick, and have the image of the "Patriot Way" tarnished.

I think at the minimum this person(trying not to be nice ) should have been suspended 8 games. If eveidence was found of this going on during the Superbowls he should have been banned from the NFL. But again if that were to happen the league may take a hit it would never recover from.

 

[cardsfanmd]

What a terrible comparison. Besides the crimes you listed being misdemeanors Dogfighting is a felony. Besides, the crimes you listed hardly ever being prosecuted because they are quality of life issues that could probably be aruging under the IX Amendment's interpertation as Right To Privacy, dogfighting is cruel and barbaric.

You mentioned that you got into a heap of trouble because someone stole your dog. What would you have done if they hung and drown your dog? Seriously put it in perspective. There is nothing right or culturally acceptable with Vick's actions that's why it's a felony. I hope he gets 5 years just for being a moron.

Why are you putting words in my mouth? If you go back and look at my posts in this thread as well as the other two thousand Vick threads on here you will see that I think the what he did to those dogs was horrible and I wouldn't see anything wrong at all if we hung him for it. What he did was not dogfighting, it was torture and murder and he should face those charges IMO. What I was saying was that dofighting as a sport is not nearly as "barbaric" as you and others who know absolutely nothing about it attempt to make it out to be, and if that were the only issue I wouldn't be asking for his head on a silver platter.

 

[cardsfanmd]

What a terrible comparison. Besides the crimes you listed being misdemeanors Dogfighting is a felony. Besides, the crimes you listed hardly ever being prosecuted because they are quality of life issues that could probably be aruging under the IX Amendment's interpertation as Right To Privacy, dogfighting is cruel and barbaric.

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Dogfighting is NOT a felony in every state and the "crimes" I listed before are NOT misdeamors in every State. Anything can be argued in a court of law. What is your point? In Arizona you can get 25 years for cutting down a cactus. Not trying to get into some heated debate with you here, but I was a criminal justice major in college and could could on with this stuff for days.

 

[Gambit]

Dogfighting is NOT a felony in every state and the "crimes" I listed before are NOT misdeamors in every State. Anything can be argued in a court of law. What is your point? In Arizona you can get 25 years for cutting down a cactus. Not trying to get into some heated debate with you here, but I was a criminal justice major in college and could could on with this stuff for days.

Do you know what the prescribed punishments are for the behavioral crimes you listed?

 

[cardsfanmd]

Most are fines. What is the point? They are still crimes.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I was just trying at the time to come off of the top of my head with a few things that just about anyone could relate to.

 

[Gambit]

Most are fines. What is the point? They are still crimes.

I'm just trying to figure out if they'd be considered misdemeanors or felonies, based on how much prison time is possible.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Why are you putting words in my mouth? If you go back and look at my posts in this thread as well as the other two thousand Vick threads on here you will see that I think the what he did to those dogs was horrible and I wouldn't see anything wrong at all if we hung him for it. What he did was not dogfighting, it was torture and murder and he should face those charges IMO. What I was saying was that dofighting as a sport is not nearly as "barbaric" as you and others who know absolutely nothing about it attempt to make it out to be, and if that were the only issue I wouldn't be asking for his head on a silver platter.

First of all don't you presume to know what I know or don't know about a subject. Second of all what in the hell do you think dogfighting is? They fight until one says stop? Or they let the loser walk free. I had neighbors whose dogs were kidknapped to "bait'' these dogs. Cops found thier missing dogs tied up to trees while other dogs chewed them to bits.

Also I am not putting words in your mouth., and there you proved my point. I was saying dogfighting is cruel, and tortures animals and here you say "it's not nearly as barbaric". Having any animal fight to the death is about as barbaric as you can get.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Dogfighting is NOT a felony in every state and the "crimes" I listed before are NOT misdeamors in every State. Anything can be argued in a court of law. What is your point? In Arizona you can get 25 years for cutting down a cactus. Not trying to get into some heated debate with you here, but I was a criminal justice major in college and could could on with this stuff for days.

Yup me too. Although it may not be a felony in most states it is a Federal Offense i.e. Michael Vick's case and as your pre-law classes taught you Federal Law trumps State Law. When the operations are as big as Vick's get you can be certain it's the FBI knocking on your door and not the state police.

 

[cardsfanmd]

First of all don't you presume to know what I know or don't know about a subject. Second of all what in the hell do you think dogfighting is? They fight until one says stop? Or they let the loser walk free. I had neighbors whose dogs were kidknapped to "bait'' these dogs. Cops found thier missing dogs tied up to trees while other dogs chewed them to bits.

Also I am not putting words in your mouth., and there you proved my point. I was saying dogfighting is cruel, and tortures animals and here you say "it's not nearly as barbaric". Having any animal fight to the death is about as barbaric as you can get.[/quote]
Well thank you for proving my point. I have to admit that I was really only about 99% sure you knew absolutely nothing about it and now I am 100%. Thanks for the vote of confidence. Also, sorry about your neighbor's dogs, but whoever did that was just a flat out sicko. In fact your neighbor should look into Vick's whereabouts when that occured. No one uses "bait" to train their dogs though. Maybe in some inbreded weird circuits that may occur, but in pure dogfighting, it is much more of a boxing match than what you are thinking. NO DOGS EVER DIE. Most people involved in the sport take very good care of their animals and would never think of harming them. A game dog is born with a sense to fight. There is no training neccessary. I personally find the human hunting of any animal to be far more barbaric. Oops my bad, that legal so its OK.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Look, I dont know why we are even having this arguement. I have owned Pitt Bulls my entire life and have never fought any of them or even considered it. Some of them have gotten into fights, but it was never a staged thing. I am not saying that it is a great thing, just that 90% of the population knows practically nothing about it, yet these are the people who want to talk about it the most. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I am sorry for jumping all over you like this, it is just a very touchy subject with me. many people have a big phobia of these dogs and what goes on with them becaus ehtey just dont understand what is going on. Dogs aren't killed ( the majority of the time) if they aren't good fighters. I have taken in many dogs who weren't interested in it and found them to be extremely loving and loyal animals. These mean dogs that attack were either abused by people like Vick or (in most cases) from an innercity crap ring led by hooligans who had no idea what they were doing and inbred the animals.

 

[Folster]

Did anyone watch the Atlanta Town Hall meeting on ESPN yesterday? The unruly audience was largely black and made the city of Atlanta look ignorant and ridiculous. They booed and shouted at every speaker they did not agree with. They also booed a rep from the Humane Society who talked about the dogs being victims. The moderator,(the host from Outside the Lines), repeatedly had to tell the crowd to act civilly so the panel could speak. At the end, the audience was asked if they thought dog fighting should be legalized. They erupted with cheers. I was embarrassed for Atlanta.

 

[Shane]

Did anyone watch the Atlanta Town Hall meeting on ESPN yesterday? The unruly audience was largely black and made the city of Atlanta look ignorant and ridiculous. They booed and shouted at every speaker they did not agree with. They also booed a rep from the Humane Society who talked about the dogs being victims. The moderator,(the host from Outside the Lines), repeatedly had to tell the crowd to act civilly so the panel could speak. At the end, the audience was asked if they thought dog fighting should be legalized. They erupted with cheers. I was embarrassed for Atlanta.

Im embarrased for them and I didnt even see it. Wow!

 

[Southpaw]

ESPN can't go much lower than with their usual pandering and "news creation", but the Town Hall meeting reached a new low. It was on par with Jerry Springer. I watched 5 minutes , and unless the tenor of that farce changed dramatically , I saw enough. If anyone can explain to me, what public service that debacle provided, then I will re evaluate my perception.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Did anyone watch the Atlanta Town Hall meeting on ESPN yesterday? The unruly audience was largely black and made the city of Atlanta look ignorant and ridiculous. They booed and shouted at every speaker they did not agree with. They also booed a rep from the Humane Society who talked about the dogs being victims. The moderator,(the host from Outside the Lines), repeatedly had to tell the crowd to act civilly so the panel could speak. At the end, the audience was asked if they thought dog fighting should be legalized. They erupted with cheers. I was embarrassed for Atlanta.

Yeah, I didn't see it, but it was all over ESPN Radio all. People are ********, what else can you say. When my children ask me why we have so many problems in our country I am gonna tell them its because those people and others like them are allowed to vote.

 

[Southpaw]

Falcons Vick defaults on $2.5M loan from Canadian bank

Does Vick do anything by the rules?

Falcons Vick defaults on $2.5M loan from Canadian bank

A Canadian bank has filed a federal lawsuit against Michael Vick claiming that the Falcons quarterback has defaulted on a $2.5 million line of credit taken out earlier this year. According to the suit, filed last week in the eastern district of Virginia, Vick signed a promissory note payable to the Royal Bank of Canada on Jan. 18, and two days later executed a "borrower acknowledgment" stating that any advances would be for investiment in real estate, and that "such proceeds were not to be used primarily for personal, family or household purposes." The lawsuit claims that Vick is in default of the loan, which carried a balance last week of $2,313,694.37, for "numerous reasons," including that he failed to promptly provide a semi-annual personal financial statement and disclosure of his liquid assets as required by the loan. The suit also claims that Vick is in default because of an "adverse change" in his employment "which could affect the borrower's ability to repay the note..."-- Atlanta Journal-Constitution

 

[Mulli]

Does Vick do anything by the rules?

Well, it is Canada.