Thoughts on Boldin and Trade Scenarios

[Shane]

You know what? Much as I love the Q and his heart and his talent and his intensity, if he were sitting here whining about a new contract, I'd tell him one thing: try getting through a full year healthy and fully productive, THEN we'll talk. Good gravy, we love him and know he's good, but when's the last time he's done that? Is a hugely talented guy that can only manage to stay on the field 1/2 or 3/5 of a season really worth getting a hefty new contract so early? Sorry Q, but you are NOT a priority for a new contract right now.

Boy are you the queen of exaggeration today. He has never missed 1/2 a season. The most games he has ever missed is 6. He has been completely healthy 2 out of his 5 seasons missing 2,4, & 6 games in the other seasons. Averaging to 2.2 games per year missed. Not really all that bad especially considering how physical he is.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Boy are you the queen of eaggeration todat. He ha snever missed 1/3 a season. The most game she has ever missed is 6. He has been completely healthy 2 out of his 5 seasons missing 2,4, & 6 games in the other seasons. Averaging to 2.2 games per year missed. Not really all that bad especially considering how physical he is.

6 out of 16 games is more than 1/3 of a season.

 

[Shane]

6 out of 16 games is more than 1/3 of a season.

Thatw as a typo. He said half. I accidentally typed 3 instead of 2 and noticed it and fixed it before your post so neener neener!

 

[Mulli]

There have been other games that Q has played but was so banged up he didn't do much, but Fitz has those games when healthy, I guess.

 

[hafey]

The more I think about, with Q getting older and the potential for injury increasing, perhaps it is best for the cardinals to sell high with Q. Take two first day picks and build the positions closer to the ball.

For some reason, Q is the issue people are least subjective about around here.

 

[red desert]

For some reason, Q is the issue people are least subjective about around here.

Kinda like JFK and Martin Luther King.




Okay, now that was over the top.

 

[DaisyCutter]

(3) Listen to trade offers...for example...

Scenario A: The Cowboys offer WR Patrick Crayton (50/697/13.9/7) and the #22 and #84 picks.

Scenario B: The Redskins offer Antwaan Randle El (51/728/14.4/1) and the #21 and #80 picks.

Whoa. If either of those deals were offered, Rod Graves would have to have an extra chromosome not to take one of them.

Anquan Boldin is worth more to the Arizona Cardinals than any other team, but if he's going to chip away at that value, then a starting-caliber player and two picks would more than make up for it.

If this team wants to become more physical in the run game, then there's really no place for two WRs making more than $6 million a year (which is likely what Anquan Boldin is looking for). I'd probably pay Boldin $4 million a year, but no more than that.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

But here's the thing: I honestly feel that Boldin is a once in a lifetime player; a Joe Montana, a Barry Sanders, a Jerry Rice, or a Jim Brown even. And you know what?

He's OUR once in a lifetime player. And this is my lifetime, baby. I refuse to let him go quietly.

i agree that i don't want to see boldin go, and i doubt we an recoup value for him . . . but good lord man . . . you're putting boldin the same sentence as montana, barry, rice, and jim brown? that's just flat out ridiculous. if he's our once in the lifetime player we're doomed to suck for all our lifetimes (but i guess that's been the case anyway, so wtf?)

 

[DaisyCutter]

i agree that i don't want to see boldin go, and i doubt we an recoup value for him . . . but good lord man . . . you're putting boldin the same sentence as montana, barry, rice, and jim brown? that's just flat out ridiculous. if he's our once in the lifetime player we're doomed to suck for all our lifetimes (but i guess that's been the case anyway, so wtf?)

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Boy are you the queen of exaggeration today. He has never missed 1/2 a season. The most games he has ever missed is 6. He has been completely healthy 2 out of his 5 seasons missing 2,4, & 6 games in the other seasons. Averaging to 2.2 games per year missed. Not really all that bad especially considering how physical he is.

so in the aggregate he's missed 12 games. or put another way, 3/4ths of a season. not really that good either.

 

[DaisyCutter]

so in the aggregate he's missed 12 games. or put another way, 3/4ths of a season. not really that good either.

Especially when you're talking about a player who's--what?--26 years old? 27? And he plays a position where other players' bodies don't start breaking down until their early 30s.

 

[Stout]

Boy are you the queen of exaggeration today. He has never missed 1/2 a season. The most games he has ever missed is 6. He has been completely healthy 2 out of his 5 seasons missing 2,4, & 6 games in the other seasons. Averaging to 2.2 games per year missed. Not really all that bad especially considering how physical he is.

Wow, thanks for calling me a queen, sista. Okay, so he never missed 1/2 of a game. His rookie season, he played all 16 games. Second season only 10, third season 14, fourth season full 16, fifth season 12. So he only misses some games in the majority of his seasons. I'm sorry, but that's not good enough for what he's trying to demand. On the other side of the coin, Fitzgerald has played all 16 games for two seasons, and has only missed 1 and 2 games in his other two seasons. Quan is injury prone at this point, so IMO he is not yet worth a Fitz sized contract. Sorry, I know he's everyone's idol around here, and I love him to death as a player, but it's that simple.

 

[Bobcat]

We have not had a true #1 speed type receiver since Rob Moore. That is what we really require here. Q and Fitz are very similar in their playing as both true #2 type position receivers. We lost our #3 receiver who was to be our true # 1 speed receiver. The heck with all of the so-called baggage Chad Johnson has. what he does do is score TD's and does open up the field more for someone like Fitz. Add Steve Brenson at #3 and just maybe we have a chance to contend for the 2008 SUPER BOWL. Let us see how Q really likes those cold winters in Cinn. Ohio.


BOBCAT

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm not into all the nuances of the game as others on the board, but I think it would make more sense for the Cards to keep their money in star receivers like Fitz and Q rather than keep a chunk wrapped up in a formerly great but aging RB in Edge. I really do not know what Edge is making but I'm thinking it is probably substantial. If the Cards get a chance to get a young quality RB in the first round, this is the direction I would go, then draft primarily for defense. If RB Ryan Torain is around late in the draft like many have predicted, I wouldn't mind picking him up there as insurance. He should at least make a good 3rd down back.

 

[Skkorpion]

Look around the league, guys. Whole teams of veterans like the Jets and Titans are unhappy with their contracts. All due to the recent spat of absurd FA contracts.

Rosenhaus yanked Owens out of Philly. He wants to yank Chad Johnson out of Cinci and Boldin out of Arizona. All over money. So what? That's what he does to get max money.

Either you cave, like Philly did, or you resist, like Cinci and Az seem to be doing. If the players won't honor their contracts, let them sit and not get paid.

Remember Tampa sending Johnson home? And Philly did, in essence, do that to Owens too, not having to pay him.

In the end, as long as the team gets better, that's all that matters.

None of this is new and none of it is unique to us.

 

[Shane]

so in the aggregate he's missed 12 games. or put another way, 3/4ths of a season. not really that good either.

3/4 of a season over 5 seaons? Not bad at all especially in this sport and the way he plays.

 

[Bobcat]

Look around the league, guys. Whole teams of veterans like the Jets and Titans are unhappy with their contracts. All due to the recent spat of absurd FA contracts.

Rosenhaus yanked Owens out of Philly. He wants to yank Chad Johnson out of Cinci and Boldin out of Arizona. All over money. So what? That's what he does to get max money.

Either you cave, like Philly did, or you resist, like Cinci and Az seem to be doing. If the players won't honor their contracts, let them sit and not get paid.

Remember Tampa sending Johnson home? And Philly did, in essence, do that to Owens too, not having to pay him.

In the end, as long as the team gets better, that's all that matters.

None of this is new and none of it is unique to us.

I agree but Boldins agent "Jerry McGuire" is the best pig the way he treats the NFL and It's Players. He has hurt most teams in the NFL because he is all about him not the Fans, players or Teams. Just about Himself.


BOBCAT

 

[Stout]

3/4 of a season over 5 seaons? Not bad at all especially in this sport and the way he plays.

I disagree. I don't want a top-notch, star receiver missing an average of 4 games a season. Sorry, but that doesn't get you top-flight pay, IMO.

 

[Shane]

I disagree. I don't want a top-notch, star receiver missing an average of 4 games a season. Sorry, but that doesn't get you top-flight pay, IMO.

That would be great if he averaged missing 4 games a season. He doesnt so you must think hes worth it?

BTW where did I or anyone else in here say that he should get a Fitz type deal?

 

[Stout]

That would be great if he averaged missing 4 games a season. He doesnt so you must think hes worth it?

BTW where did I or anyone else in here say that he should get a Fitz type deal?

My bad, my math skills are off Roughly 2 1/2 games a season. I still don't like that at all. Plus factor in that he's played any number of games hurt and less than at his best too (I love that he plays through it to help his team, but the injury concerns are real). I know YOU'RE not saying he should get that type of a deal, but he is represented by Rosenhaus and he waited until the Fitz deal was done to set the tone. What kind of money do YOU think they're looking for?

 

[Shane]

My bad, my math skills are off Roughly 2 1/2 games a season. I still don't like that at all. Plus factor in that he's played any number of games hurt and less than at his best too (I love that he plays through it to help his team, but the injury concerns are real). I know YOU'RE not saying he should get that type of a deal, but he is represented by Rosenhaus and he waited until the Fitz deal was done to set the tone. What kind of money do YOU think they're looking for?

More like 2.25 rather than 2.5

Boldin knows he is older than Fitz and his window is smaller. The offer the team gave him wasnt a bad one per se. However there was no MORE guaranteed money involved in it.

I think you offer him a nice chunk in guaranteed $ say in the 20 million range and I bet he bites. Extend his deal another 3 years or so. Thats 10 million less than Fitz got in guarantees. It also puts the end of teh contract at age 33 right about when you would expect a WR to be on the back end.

Also I dont think the team should do it now wanyway. Dansby is numero uno IMO. Boldin and Dockett can wait their happy azzes till next year.

 

[Stout]

More like 2.25 rather than 2.5

Boldin knows he is older than Fitz and his window is smaller. The offer the team gave him wasnt a bad one per se. However there was no MORE guaranteed money involved in it.

I think you offer him a nice chunk in guaranteed $ say in the 20 million range and I bet he bites. Extend his deal another 3 years or so. Thats 10 million less than Fitz got in guarantees. It also puts the end of teh contract at age 33 right about when you would expect a WR to be on the back end.

Also I dont think the team should do it now wanyway. Dansby is numero uno IMO. Boldin and Dockett can wait their happy azzes till next year.

See, we actually agree. I agree with all of the bolded.

By the way, this time your math is faulty. 3/4 of a 16-game season is 12 games. 12 divided by 5 equals 2.4 I used a calculator this time

 

[Shane]

See, we actually agree. I agree with all of the bolded.

By the way, this time your math is faulty. 3/4 of a 16-game season is 12 games. 12 divided by 5 equals 2.4 I used a calculator this time

Yea but 3/4 of a season is 12 games. He has played in 5 seasons. 12 divided by 5 = 2.2 so its closer to 2.25 per year

 

[Cheesebeef]

i'll never understand the undying "we will never do anything if we trade our heart and soul" devotion to Boldin. The only two years this team was even somewhat competitive for a playoff spot and actually within a game or above .500 was when he was injured (2004 and last year). That's not to say he's not a great player... just saying very few WRs are THAT important to a team's success, especially when you already have a Pro-Bowler on the other side.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yea but 3/4 of a season is 12 games. He has played in 5 seasons. 12 divided by 5 = 2.2 so its closer to 2.25 per year

what kind of math is that? 12 divided by 5 is 2.4.