Thoughts on Football Agents, Q's and Warner's Dilemma

Mitch

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These predatory agents are what makes the free agency period so exasperating. First of all, if anyone truly believes that agents want to do what purely in the best interest of their clients, you are kidding yourself. Agents are like 5 star restaurant waiters...they want you buy a couple of the best and most expensive bottles of wine, because they know their tips go up dramatically when you add $120 to a $140 tab.

Thus, whatever the agents can do to up the tab...they know their cut of the money is going to be more lucrative. With agents it is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.

The more unctuous agents out there adopt a fairly typical strategy...it all starts with convincing the player that he is getting screwed by his current organization...and that he has been getting screwed all along. "They are taking you for a ride, man, can't you see it?"

Take Anquan Boldin who has not been recently compensated fairly enough for what his market value is. When Rosenhaus tells Q how great Q is and how screwed he's been getting by the Cardinals...even Q, who had been the captain and model citizen on the Cardinals, became so irate he publicly threw the head coach and the organization under the bus...and was still so irate after the NFC Championship that he slipped out the back door while his blood brothers such as Adrian Wilson were shedding tears while embracing the Halas Trophy.

Why has Q softened recently? The Cardinals---the team that's been screwing him---have the leverege. He can't be traded or paid what he deserves unless the Cardinals agree to.

Is Q still irate with the organization? You bet he is.

And what if the Cardinals do offer him a new contract...will the Cardinals include extra money for the money Q should have made the past two years? Q won't think the offer fair unless the Cardinals do.

The same holds true for Kurt Warner. The last thing Warner wants to be perceived as is greedy. That perception would rub terribly against the fabric of his persona. However, Warner wants to be rewarded for his stellar achievements the past year and a half. For pro football players, plaques and team MVP awards are not reward eoungh...it's the money the team commits to them that is the reward. Plain and simple.

Warner is a little at odds with his agents because he is very uncomfortable treading in these waters. His agents have insisted to him that he deserves top dollar and that if the Cardinals are not willing to reward him appropriately for his achievements and for underpaying him as a starter the past year and a half, then Warner should try to parlay his achievements into a lucrative contract elsewhere.

At some point, the Cardinals are going to have to wake up and smell the coffee. Even Adam Shefter on NFL Network said at the round table yesterday that the Cardinals should toss in a few extra million on their offer because of what Warner has done to bring the franchise to unprecedented heights. Shefter recognizes that "sometimes you should overpay a player who deserves it." The gesture is symbolic. And it boils down to just how appreciative the organization is and how willing the organization is to acknowledge the reality that they now have a top 5 QB to pay and, of course, he wants Top 5 money.

And what if Warner continues to play at his current level? Would he be overpaid at $12-14M a year?

If the Cardinals think they can continue to drive hard bargains with key free agents, they will wind up back where they came from: the cellar of the NFC.

Wouldn't it be refreshing for once if the Cardinals came to the bargaining table and said, "you know, Kurt, you were the #3 QB in the league this past year and you led us to the Super Bowl, so we would like to compensate you handsomely for that."

Sure, the Cardinals, as every team does, have to manage their cap space...but their recent success came at an advantageous time. Their revenue is at an all-time high, their cap space is fairly ample and next year is a capless year.

The Cardinals can easily sign four core players this off-season Warner, Boldin, Dansby and Wilson...and if they are creative in the way they structure the deals...they still will have more than enough left in the kitty to sign a handful of free agents.

For the Cardinals it's time to open the windows and let the Arizona sun shine in.
 

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Mitch regarding Warner I prefer your thread where you recommended to pay him $20 million for two years and incentives that could equal another $8 million. Why change your thinking?
 

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I just don't see the problem with 2 years, 20 mil, 10 guaranteed, with incentives to take it to 14 per based on performance.
 

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We have to be real careful in over compensating any player right now. Everyone on this team wants more money, cause they took us to the Super Bowl. Grant everybody their wish and all of a sudden their is no money to go round. This team made it to the Super Bowl (not sure they were really what you would call a Super Bowl team {in a lot of eyes}) and have a lot of weaknesses that need attending too. Once again, I am keeping the wool over my eyes, letting the FO office and coach Whiz do their thing. For what they accomplished last year, I think they deserve it.
 

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I would really like them to take care of Boldin as soon as possible. With guys like Bryant Johnson and Brandon Jones getting $3-4M/year and big name WR's out making the rounds it would be better to get a deal done now instead of later. If TJ and/or Marvin sign big deals that's only going to weaken the Cardinals justification to keep Boldin for less. Boldin signed the deal so he's got no leverage but the Cadinals are playing a very risky game with two high profile players right now.
 
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I would really like them to take care of Boldin as soon as possible. With guys like Bryant Johnson and Brandon Jones getting $3-4M/year and big name WR's out making the rounds it would be better to get a deal done now instead of later. If TJ and/or Marvin sign big deals that's only going to weaken the Cardinals justification to keep Boldin for less. Boldin signed the deal so he's got no leverage but the Cadinals are playing a very risky game with two high profile players right now.

Good post.:raccoon:
 

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And what if Warner continues to play at his current level? Would he be overpaid at $12-14M a year?

And what if he takes a step or two back, something that wouldn't be uncommon for a player his age? Wouldn't he be severely overpaid then, even at 10 million?
 

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I would really like them to take care of Boldin as soon as possible. With guys like Bryant Johnson and Brandon Jones getting $3-4M/year and big name WR's out making the rounds it would be better to get a deal done now instead of later. If TJ and/or Marvin sign big deals that's only going to weaken the Cardinals justification to keep Boldin for less. Boldin signed the deal so he's got no leverage but the Cadinals are playing a very risky game with two high profile players right now.

What risk are they taking with Boldin? He is under contract. If wide receivers are in such high demand shouldn't we be able to trade him for players and or picks to help us at other positions?
 

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that's a heaping helping of conjecture you're serving mitch.

and i'll say it again . . . the players are ultimately responsible for the actions of their "predatory" (puh-leese) agent's actions. it's one of the many jobs of the agents to play the "bad guy" so their client doesn't take the heat for being greedy. to think otherwise is just naive.

if you think the players are being taken advantage of by the agents you have to believe that (a) all players are idiots, or (b) no player has the ability to learn. b/c right now we're looking at two players (Q and warner) that have been in the biz for a while now . . . and surely they know what they're agents are not only up to, but knew from the get go what they were GOING to recommend when they hired them.

no fan wants to condemn their favorite players, so the agents become the bad guy. hmm . . . who pays the agents . . . it couldn't be the greedy players who also want to retain their popularity, could it? so the agents becoming the bad guy is BY DESIGN. wake up.
 

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is it a bad time to say im meeting with my academic adviser monday to see which majors could help me be a sports agent?
 

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What risk are they taking with Boldin? He is under contract.
Well, if they take the popular "stick it to 'em" approach being advocated by many around here, I can see a real problem in the near future with signing/retaining guys.

Even teams like the Steelers and Patriots that never pay or overpay for players still took care of certain guys, including their QB's.

As far as Boldin in particular, I'm sad to say that his emotions/attitude will be a problem if he's back in '09 without a new contract. It has been getting to him more and more the longer it's gone on and I don't think he's going to be anywhere near 100% mentally if the team forces him to play out his deal as it stands.
 

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Well, if they take the popular "stick it to 'em" approach being advocated by many around here, I can see a real problem in the near future with signing/retaining guys.

Even teams like the Steelers and Patriots that never pay or overpay for players still took care of certain guys, including their QB's.

As far as Boldin in particular, I'm sad to say that his emotions/attitude will be a problem if he's back in '09 without a new contract. It has been getting to him more and more the longer it's gone on and I don't think he's going to be anywhere near 100% mentally if the team forces him to play out his deal as it stands.

Would you rather grossly overpay and thus set the bar for other players. But, but, but...but KURT got way more than you said he's worth, so I should too! NO! We cannot set that dangerous precedent. The problem is that you think we should just give Kurt everything he wants plus the moon, and that it will be fair value. The problem is, that is not fair value.

As for Boldin? Oh puh-lease cry me a river! Ya know, it's been getting to me, to the fans, and to the FO that he's been acting like a whiney little baby for so long. HE has made HIMSELF below 100 percent mentally. And, with 2 years left on his deal and the way he's acting, he should be made to play out that contract.

You took issue with someone telling you that you want the inmates to run the asylum. No, Moklerman, we're not calling Kurt and Q inmates--that was just your way to dodge the point. The phrase applies because there is NO WAY that players should dictate a team's negotiating tactics. Yes, the Cards have been more than suspect in negotiations in the past, but if they start writing blank checks to players then every single player will want more and more and more. Let's not open that door.
 

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