TJ Warren

[Chaplin]

Yes, of course you trade Jackson. He is a HUGE net negative on the court every time turning it over more than he assists and being one of the most putrid shooters and offensive guys in the entire NBA. If he can net you anything at this point, that's a plus, but an equal return to TJ, no question Jackson's gotta go.

Completely disagree. TJ is what he is. I’m not naive enough to believe he will improve anything other than shooting in his career. JJ however, has the potential to improve in almost every single area of his game. That’s a positive to me and why I’d trade Warren over him every time. Didn’t sound like you got that from my post.

 

[SirStefan32]

I'd trade the one that gets me the best return. They both have issues. I have never seen a player as dim-witted (basketball-wise) as Jackson, but Chap is right in that Warren is what he is. Jackson is an enigma. It comes down to how much you want to gamble and who gets you the best return.

 

[Chaplin]

I'd trade the one that gets me the best return. They both have issues. I have never seen a player as dim-witted (basketball-wise) as Jackson, but Chap is right in that Warren is what he is. Jackson is an enigma. It comes down to how much you want to gamble and who gets you the best return.

I also think between the two, Warren will be more enticing to the other team. Regardless what we as fans think of the two of them, it only matters what the other team thinks of them.

 

[Mainstreet]

Unless Brooklyn is willing to pay Russell a max deal then they may lose him this offseason for nothing. They already spent big money on Dinwiddie so to spend another $15M a year on Russell may be overkill when they could use that money on other needs. I could see them not wanting to trade Russell if they hadn't signed Dinwiddie to that extension but it appears they made their choice on their PGOTF.

The Nets extended Dinwiddie for a modest three-year, $34 million deal so his contract should not be a problem.

 

[Superbone]

It's because the Suns' players haven't yet learned what fouls they can get away with. Siakam used his off arm to keep Ayton away, but he knew it wouldn't be called.

Because there are none. The Suns get special treatment from the refs.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Because there are none. The Suns get special treatment from the refs.

I think it's a combination of the two. They do commit some really silly fouls, but the refs also don't give them much leeway at all.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The Nets extended Dinwiddie for a modest three-year, $34 million deal so his contract should not be a problem.

For a starter, that's a steal - for a backup, that's on the high side. So I have no idea if he's locked in there or if it was perhaps protection in case Russell demands too much?

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think it's a combination of the two. They do commit some really silly fouls, but the refs also don't give them much leeway at all.

Yes they do and some very untimely technicals too. It's almost like they aren't fully mature NBA players or something? Still, the refs allow a lot of contact coming our way that they don't allow us to return. That's got to be a challenge for 20 year olds to understand and accept.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'd trade the one that gets me the best return. They both have issues. I have never seen a player as dim-witted (basketball-wise) as Jackson, but Chap is right in that Warren is what he is. Jackson is an enigma. It comes down to how much you want to gamble and who gets you the best return.

Yes but assuming they are valued equally, I really don't know what I'd do? Jackson has a far higher ceiling and a much lower floor. He sometimes looks like a future star but more frequently looks like a future bust. Warren could still improve some but IMO he's just weak willed and should never be more than your first or second man off the bench. He can be a nice plus in that kind of role but JJ could be a game changer if it ever comes together for him.

 

[Mainstreet]

For a starter, that's a steal - for a backup, that's on the high side. So I have no idea if he's locked in there or if it was perhaps protection in case Russell demands too much?

The Dinwiddie extension could have been for protection against Russell leaving but it's so reasonable I don't see why the Nets would want to part with either unless a team wants to give up equal or better value in return.

Maybe if the Nets couldn't have extended Dinwiddie they might have been more willing to trade.

The Nets have ample salary space to sign Russell.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The Dinwiddie extension could have been for protection against Russell leaving but it's so reasonable I don't see why the Nets would want to part with either unless a team wants to give up equal or better value in return.

Maybe if the Nets couldn't have extended Dinwiddie they might have been more willing to trade.

The Nets have ample salary space to sign Russell.

Yeah but things have changed somewhat since that extension, Russell has upped his game considerably. So, while a max deal might have been a non-starter for the Net a few months ago leading to them signing Dinwiddie, they might consider going all out for Russell now. Just speculation from a distance, I don't follow the Nets at all.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah but things have changed somewhat since that extension, Russell has upped his game considerably. So, while a max deal might have been a non-starter for the Net a few months ago leading to them signing Dinwiddie, they might consider going all out for Russell now. Just speculation from a distance, I don't follow the Nets at all.

I think the Nets will keep both Dinwiddie and Russell.

Russell's value has gone up (so has Dinwiddie) so it would take a smoking deal to trade either player.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think the Nets will keep both Dinwiddie and Russell.

Russell's value has gone up (so has Dinwiddie) so it would take a smoking deal to trade either player.

I think that's most likely but again, that's from a distance. There's probably no consensus but it would be interesting to hear what a knowledgable Nets fan thinks about it.

 

[overseascardfan]

I think the Nets will keep both Dinwiddie and Russell.

Russell's value has gone up (so has Dinwiddie) so it would take a smoking deal to trade either player.

Say a team offers Russell a max contract, you think Brooklyn will match and pay $40M for 2 PG's next year?

 

[Mainstreet]

Say a team offers Russell a max contract, you think Brooklyn will match and pay $40M for 2 PG's next year?

I think so. Russell appears to be as close to a star the Nets have and he figures to only get better.

If the Nets signed Dinwiddie to a pricey contract the story might be different.

 

[Mainstreet]

Some comments about Russell.

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[overseascardfan]

I think so. Russell appears to be as close to a star the Nets have and he figures to only get better.

If the Nets signed Dinwiddie to a pricey contract the story might be different.

Fair enough. I'd offer him a max deal if I were PHX to check their commitment level.

 

[Mainstreet]

Fair enough. I'd offer him a max deal if I were PHX to check their commitment level.

It's something the Suns might want to consider but I think the Nets match.

 

[Hoop Head]

Fair enough. I'd offer him a max deal if I were PHX to check their commitment level.

That could kill our offseason if the Nets match and make us wait it out. If we strike out with other targets and Russell's still on the market, which I think he will be, then the Suns should might take that risk but if we go into day 1 with that plan and having to wait to see if Brooklyn matches it will leave us with scraps if we don't get him. I don't agree with others how they say the Suns won't be able to sign anyone because money talks and the Suns will have money available. We may not lure a star here but we should have the money available to sign 2 good free agents and then go over the cap a little to retain Holmes and possibly Oubre, depending on who else we sign.

I think Holmes is a more of a keeper than Oubre. I like Oubre a lot but I think we can find someone else who can provide similar production for us if need be but finding a backup Center like Holmes that is content being a backup is rare and we lucked into him initially. We can't allow him to get away. I don't see anyone else offering him a starting job so I don't see playing time as being an issue and if we can sign a real PF to play with Ayton then perhaps we bring in Holmes to back him up also so he and Ayton share the floor for a little bit.

I think part of the reason we don't see that now is because Igor is trying to keep things consistent with 1 big on the floor at all times and switching it up could be a problem with spacing because Ayton has trouble finding room for himself after our opponents adjust to him some so Holmes would only bring about more doubles on Ayton and likely more turnovers.

 

[overseascardfan]

That could kill our offseason if the Nets match and make us wait it out. If we strike out with other targets and Russell's still on the market, which I think he will be, then the Suns should might take that risk but if we go into day 1 with that plan and having to wait to see if Brooklyn matches it will leave us with scraps if we don't get him. I don't agree with others how they say the Suns won't be able to sign anyone because money talks and the Suns will have money available. We may not lure a star here but we should have the money available to sign 2 good free agents and then go over the cap a little to retain Holmes and possibly Oubre, depending on who else we sign.

I think Holmes is a more of a keeper than Oubre. I like Oubre a lot but I think we can find someone else who can provide similar production for us if need be but finding a backup Center like Holmes that is content being a backup is rare and we lucked into him initially. We can't allow him to get away. I don't see anyone else offering him a starting job so I don't see playing time as being an issue and if we can sign a real PF to play with Ayton then perhaps we bring in Holmes to back him up also so he and Ayton share the floor for a little bit.

I think part of the reason we don't see that now is because Igor is trying to keep things consistent with 1 big on the floor at all times and switching it up could be a problem with spacing because Ayton has trouble finding room for himself after our opponents adjust to him some so Holmes would only bring about more doubles on Ayton and likely more turnovers.

To me the only 2 FA’s worth targeting are Russell and Randle. If we end up with Morant then Russell is a moot point.

 

[1Sun]

To me the only 2 FA’s worth targeting are Russell and Randle. If we end up with Morant then Russell is a moot point.

No, Russell is not a moot point there. Morant will not be ready to start in the NBA, if ever, until after his rookie contract is up. This franchise already royally screwed up once by not having a competent veteran point guard on the roster to start the season. Please don't go there again.

 

[Mainstreet]

This summer the Suns can shop for a point guard and power forward through the draft, trades and free agency.

It is the wrong time to panic and overpay for a point guard now. The Suns are not going anywhere this season and there is the draft to consider.

If the Suns could acquire their PGOTF I'd consider it. Also I'd consider trading for a young point guard with potential for something reasonable like a second round pick or even the Bucks pick depending upon the player.

What the Suns do not need is an aging veteran with a large contract.

 

[BC867]

This summer the Suns can shop for a point guard and power forward through the draft, trades and free agency.

It is the wrong time to panic and overpay for a point guard now. The Suns are not going anywhere this season and there is the draft to consider.

If the Suns could acquire their PGOTF I'd consider it. Also I'd consider trading for a young point guard with potential for something reasonable like a second round pick or even the Bucks pick depending upon the player.

What the Suns do not need is an aging veteran with a large contract.

With the youngest team in the league now, I don't see how drafting a Point Guard (or any Power Forward except perhaps Zion) is going to help us in the foreseeable future.

The same kind of conversation went on a year ago and we got the #1 pick. Has it gotten us out of last place? 'Same old, same old.

Trades and free agency, of course. If we had a legitimate, experienced trade or free agent negotiator.

 

[1Sun]

This summer the Suns can shop for a point guard and power forward through the draft, trades and free agency.

It is the wrong time to panic and overpay for a point guard now. The Suns are not going anywhere this season and there is the draft to consider.

If the Suns could acquire their PGOTF I'd consider it. Also I'd consider trading for a young point guard with potential for something reasonable like a second round pick or even the Bucks pick depending upon the player.

What the Suns do not need is an aging veteran with a large contract.

Fair enough, but what the Suns need even less is 1) to go into next season with no competent veteran point guard or power forward on the roster, and 2) to have the current situation cause the team to implode in the meantime.

As such, I think that the Suns at least need to bring in a low cost stop-gap starting point guard for the rest of the season and then bring in a legitimate veteran starter at point guard (and a stop gap power forward if they draft anyone other than Zion Williamson) in the off-season.

 

[Mainstreet]

With the youngest team in the league now, I don't see how drafting a Point Guard (or any Power Forward except perhaps Zion) is going to help us in the foreseeable future.

The same kind of conversation went on a year ago and we got the #1 pick. Has it gotten us out of last place? 'Same old, same old.

Trades and free agency, of course. If we had a legitimate, experienced trade or free agent negotiator.

It's timing BC. This summer appears to be the best time to acquire players that can help the Suns long term. The right players have to be available and the deal has to make sense.

If someone becomes available before the trade deadline that I think can help the Suns I will be voicing my support. I'm not seeing a trade I like right now.