To Select Vince Young or Not to Select Vince Young? That is the question..

[Diamondback Jay]

First, this is purely hypothetical. I personally can not see him free falling down the draft boards, unlike some, however let's put ourselves in this situation.

Suppose it's Draft Day. Houston selects Bush, New Orleans goes with Leinart, Tennessee takes the immediate need pick and drafts Mario Williams and Detroit drafts another WR (LOL ) or goes for Winston Justice to upgrade their OLine.

If you are the Cardinals at 10, do you select Vince Young?

We all know the intangibles he has. We all know that the closest thing the Cardinals have ever had to a long term Franchise QB was Plummer. We know that Vince is in need of about 2 years of learning before he's ready to become a regular starter in the NFL, so learning under a re-signed Warner would be ideal for him.

We also know that of all the QBs, he has the highest risk-reward factor and it seems to be universally believed that Young is either going to be a really big hit or a really big flop, with no happy medium.

So, you make the call. Do you go for Young with his upside, superstar potential and finally fill that long overdue void at QB, or do you pick someone else (White perhaps) and hope for a QB like Brodie Croyle or Omar Jacobs to be available in the second?

 

[Shane]

Hell No!

 

[phillycard]

I'm sorry, but the cache of having a stud (potential or otherwise) lining up behind center intrigues me too much. I can't say that Vince is my first choice, but if DG decides he's the answer I will be ecstatic. I could see if we have had a spotty record of success with the qb position, but our track record in that regard is far from even that. Outside of Jake and Kurt's partial year, what have we had to allow us to turn our nose up at picking Vince? (Gary Hogeboom or Dave Brown anyone??) His desire to win alone (which is proven) is something we've lacked, not just at the qb position but all across the board. To have a proven winner come to the Cardinals at the most important position would be a major come up in my opinion. It all starts with the man under center and we know this. Would it require hard work by the staff and coaches? Of course, but that is why they make the big bucks! I'm sorry, I will not be one bit upset if we go that route.

 

[red desert]

Hell yes.

 

[SECTION 11]

Pass. Keep McCown.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I'm sorry, but the cache of having a stud (potential or otherwise) lining up behind center intigues me too much. I can't say that Vince is my first choice, but if DG decides he's the answer I will be ecstatic. I could see if we have had a spotty record of success with the qb position, but our track record in that regard is far from even that. Outside of Jake and Kurt's partial year, what have we had to allow us to turn our nose up at picking Vince? (Gary Hogeboom or Dave Brown anyone??) His desire to win alone (which is proven) is something we've lacked, not just at the qb position but all across the board. To have a proven winner come to the Cardinals at the most important position would be a major come up in my opinion. It all starts with the man under center and we know this. Would it require hard work by the staff and coaches? Of course, but that is why they make the big bucks! I'm sorry, I will not be one bit upset if we go that route.

Excellent points all around.

Somewhere, in some capacity, Arizona needs to stop this revolving door of QBs. As good as Kurt has looked as a Cardinal, he'll be 35 in May. Bringing Young in would allow him the ideal opportunity of learning for a few years, then when Kurt's soon-to-be 2 year deal expires and he jumps on board as QB coach, Young will be ready. He's already got several intangibles (winning attitude, leadership skills to kill for) that you just cannot teach and as you said, his desire to win is the kick in the ass this organization desperately needs at the QB position.

Also, I think Arizona would be an ideal landing spot for him. They have two All Pro WRs for him to throw to, and the running back and OLine spots by that point SHOULD be upgraded. He wouldn't have to come in and immediately be the franchise savior, as he would have to do in other situations.

If Young falls to 10, I really do hope Arizona takes him. I really don't think it will be regretted later on.

 

[spanky1]

Not I

 

[joeshmo]

I said No.

But at the same time I wouldnt be pissed off either. More indifferent then anything. I guess that could changed based on what we do in FA.

I also think "some" who voted no are in the instant gratification category. Most people dont want to wait 2 years to see the fruits of the labor, and rightfully so after being losers for so long. It is a hard thing to swallow for sure, but at the same time, it has to happen at some point, of which I totally agree with Philly.

 

[abomb]

No. I am completely over the idea of drafting our QBoF.

A-Bomb

 

[phillycard]

No. I am completely over the idea of drafting our QBoF.

A-Bomb

What do you suggest abomb?? It's not like we've been down this road before. Now as for the free agency route??

 

[imaCafan]

With Young as back-up to Warner for 2 years he'll get "spot duty" when Warner gets nicked up here and there. I like the idea of drafting Young at 10, but it could mean AT LEAST 1 or 2 more loosing seasons (.500 or under).....

 

[PACardsFan]

If he falls to us, we'd be crazy not to select him. That being said, I would have him on the bench for at least a year & probably 2 yrs. I would have him listed as our 3rd or 4th QB & he would never see the field his rookie year. Let him learn under Warner & by year 3, he'd be ready to set the league on fire. He has more RAW athletic talent than any QB coming out, probably ever. But we would destroy him if he played his rookie year. If he's there @ 10 & we pass, we will forever regret it.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Green needs to win this year and Young won't help him do that. Young scares the hell out of me with his side arm delivery. He is Michael Vick but not as fast or elusive. The stuff he got away with in college most likely won't work in the pros.

 

[duckfallas]

Will Green draft a player who can help the team right away or a QB project like Young? His past two drafts he has drafted immediate impact players. He's not exactly in a spot where he can afford to draft a project. The only way I can see the Cards drafting Young is if they plan to play him at a position other than QB.

 

[sr7706]

Whoever says no is a complete moron. How many more years are we going to bitch and moan that we did not take a top tier QB when one is just sitting there for the taking. We could take another player and have them be a bust also. If he is there, Im taking him in a heartbeat, but he won't be.

 

[golfcardfan]

We were very close to being a playoff team last season. Why would drafting Young make us a loser for 2 more seasons, thats just stupid. If he is there at 10 of course we have to take him. We know warner or navarre are not the answer long term we are in a good spot to maybe pick one up. Fix the oline and we well contend for our division next year why not have young on the bench also.

 

[duckfallas]

If Young is there, they need to rape another team for picks, move down, and take a player like Justice. Then get Gabe Watson with the next pick.

Sign Alexander to run the rock.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Whoever we select during the draft will most likely sit the first year or two learning from Warner. I think Brodie Croyle is the best guy for that. If you are worried about him being gone before we select in the third then take him with the second round pick.

I think Croyle will be a much better field general than Young!

I'm officailly pimping Croyle as the next Cardinal QB of the future:

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[abomb]

What do you suggest abomb?? It's not like we've been down this road before. Now as for the free agency route??

I guess I should have said "drafting a QBoF this highly" and think it is more about me not wanting VY at #10. I dont want us going through the same crap ATL is going through with Vick.

A-Bomb

 

[spanky1]

Whoever says no is a complete moron. How many more years are we going to bitch and moan that we did not take a top tier QB when one is just sitting there for the taking. We could take another player and have them be a bust also. If he is there, Im taking him in a heartbeat, but he won't be.

I voted no.....and I don't consider myself a moron.

You see, like Michael Vick (who is starting to show that he might not be the be all to end all), Young is exactly the opposite of what the ideal profile is for a successful QB these days......that being a pocket passer....someone with a above average arm (no, I agree, a QB doesn't have to have a super strong arm to succeed) who can grasp the complexities of reading NFL caliber defenses.

The days of a "run first" QB are gone (not too sure they were ever here).

Having this opinion, I will say that he'd re-write the record books in the CFL however.

 

[Stout]

I would weep if we drafted Coyle. WEEP! People say Cutler's too pimped? Wow, this kid, who didn't do squat to help his defense AND has major health issues, is being WAY overrated.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I guess I should have said "drafting a QBoF this highly" and think it is more about me not wanting VY at #10. I dont want us going through the same crap ATL is going through with Vick.

A-Bomb

I'll take 2 playoff births and a trip to the NFC Championship Game appearance in four Young's first four years as a starter any day. If that's crap, someone please tell me where to sign up for it.

Say what you will statistically about Vick, the Falcons are drastically better with him as QB than they are without him. Look no further than the 2003 season as proof of that. Vick missed a majority of the season, and the Falcons went in the tank.

Also, I think it's fair to say Fitzgerald and Boldin are drastically better than any WR Atlanta has on it's roster. Not using that excuse to defend Vick by any means whatsoever however.. See below for more.

Even if Young brings only the same winning success Vick has to Atlanta, I think it's a fair bet to say drafting VY would be well worth it.

I voted no.....and I don't consider myself a moron.

You see, like Michael Vick (who is starting to show that he might not be the be all to end all), Young is exactly the opposite of what the ideal profile is for a successful QB these days......that being a pocket passer....someone with a above average arm (no, I agree, a QB doesn't have to have a super strong arm to succeed) who can grasp the complexities of reading NFL caliber defenses.

The days of a "run first" QB are gone (not too sure they were ever here).

Having this opinion, I will say that he'd re-write the record books in the CFL however.

Spanky really if you want to compare Vick to Young, the only things you can compare is their ability to run. Other than that, the two are polar opposite.

Let me give you a few totals quick..

9 Touchdowns, 7 Interceptions.. 636 yards... 1 (Count Em) game with over 200 yards, 2 games with 100 or more yards, 6 games with LESS than 50 yards and in three of those six had under 20 yards (all passing totals here).

Now that you've absorbed all those, here's some more for you.

26 TD, 10 INT. 3036 yards. 7 games with over 200 yards passing, 0 games with under 150 yards, 1 game with over 300 yards (all passing totals here).

These stats you ask?

The Top was Michael Vick's final season totals at Virginia Tech.. The Bottom was Vince Young's final season totals at Texas.

The moral of my story is this.. Vince Young is a QB who can run and will use his mobility to his advantage when he needs to. Michael Vick is a runningback who happens to play the position of QB. Even at Virginia Tech, when he was on his game, he looked for the run first, and passed only when neccessary. Young will pass first, and run if neccessary.

There's absolutely no other comparisons between the two other than the quickness factor.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Vince Young is the Chocolate version of Jake Plummer.

 

[abomb]

I'll take 2 playoff births and a trip to the NFC Championship Game appearance in four Young's first four years as a starter any day. If that's crap, someone please tell me where to sign up for it.

Say what you will statistically about Vick, the Falcons are drastically better with him as QB than they are without him. Look no further than the 2003 season as proof of that. Vick missed a majority of the season, and the Falcons went in the tank.

Also, I think it's fair to say Fitzgerald and Boldin are drastically better than any WR Atlanta has on it's roster. Not using that excuse to defend Vick by any means whatsoever however.. See below for more.

Even if Young brings only the same winning success Vick has to Atlanta, I think it's a fair bet to say drafting VY would be well worth it.



Spanky really if you want to compare Vick to Young, the only things you can compare is their ability to run. Other than that, the two are polar opposite.

Let me give you a few totals quick..

9 Touchdowns, 7 Interceptions.. 636 yards... 1 (Count Em) game with over 200 yards, 2 games with 100 or more yards, 6 games with LESS than 50 yards and in three of those six had under 20 yards (all passing totals here).

Now that you've absorbed all those, here's some more for you.

26 TD, 10 INT. 3036 yards. 7 games with over 200 yards passing, 0 games with under 150 yards, 1 game with over 300 yards (all passing totals here).

These stats you ask?

The Top was Michael Vick's final season totals at Virginia Tech.. The Bottom was Vince Young's final season totals at Texas.

The moral of my story is this.. Vince Young is a QB who can run and will use his mobility to his advantage when he needs to. Michael Vick is a runningback who happens to play the position of QB. Even at Virginia Tech, when he was on his game, he looked for the run first, and passed only when neccessary. Young will pass first, and run if neccessary.

There's absolutely no other comparisons between the two other than the quickness factor.

Why do you have to go and throw logic into your arguement?



A-Bomb

 

[sr7706]

Spanky really if you want to compare Vick to Young, the only things you can compare is their ability to run. Other than that, the two are polar opposite.

Let me give you a few totals quick..

9 Touchdowns, 7 Interceptions.. 636 yards... 1 (Count Em) game with over 200 yards, 2 games with 100 or more yards, 6 games with LESS than 50 yards and in three of those six had under 20 yards (all passing totals here).

Now that you've absorbed all those, here's some more for you.

26 TD, 10 INT. 3036 yards. 7 games with over 200 yards passing, 0 games with under 150 yards, 1 game with over 300 yards (all passing totals here).

These stats you ask?

The Top was Michael Vick's final season totals at Virginia Tech.. The Bottom was Vince Young's final season totals at Texas.

The moral of my story is this.. Vince Young is a QB who can run and will use his mobility to his advantage when he needs to. Michael Vick is a runningback who happens to play the position of QB. Even at Virginia Tech, when he was on his game, he looked for the run first, and passed only when neccessary. Young will pass first, and run if neccessary.

There's absolutely no other comparisons between the two other than the quickness factor.



Yes! My point exactly!