Todd McShay: Henry/Shelton Deal Will Happen in the Next Few Days

[Mulli]

Rivers would be too expensive. Phew weasled out of that one didn't I.

 

[kerouac9]

I agree that those two picks were reaches, but the one thing that amaze me abuot that draft is, that Graves gets blamed for trading down but is NOT credited for drafting Boldin, Hayes, King and Wells in that same exact draft.

Isn't it a little early to say that this was the best draft that the Cards had had in a long time?

I agree that Anquan had a pretty special two seasons, and was a great value.
Kenny King has played in 11 games in two seasons and probably won't have a starting spot this season. He's a man without a position.
Gerald Hayes has 31 tackles over two seasons, couldn't beat out Ronald McKinnon in his walker, and we had to sign a free agent to compete with him at MLB (but probably to start).
Reggie Wells got manhandled by every good defensive tackle that he played against, and gave up 3.5 sacks from a position that generally doesn't allow sacks. He's all right, and was a good seventh-rounder, but no one here talks like our offensive line is so great.

 

[RedStorm]

In order to get Travis Henry - haven't you been paying attention?

The whole thing is that neither set of fans wants to see their team get fleeced in this deal. Each thinks their team has the upper hand, etc... Whatever. The terms will be the terms and that's that. If AZ decides swaps picks, they swap picks - it's not necessarily a horrible thing for you guys if it happens that way. Henry's a quality back and that's what you fans are probably better off concentrating on. It should end up being a win/win trade either way.

And Shelton is a heck of a LT that is priced EXTREMELY reasonable. If they did not swap picks then the Bills should not think that that is so horrible.

You will be getting a quality LT and that's what you Bills fans are probably better off concentrating on. It's a win/win.

It works both ways....I am happy to keep Shelton and draft a RB.

 

[RedStorm]

Shouldn't Graves be making trades and such anyway? Mularkey is our coach but it is not up to him to make these deals, it is the GM, Donahoe. Why isn't it Graves that we hear coming out in the media from the Cards?

HECK NO. Graves can work the contracts. Denny builds the team..Draft and Trades.

 

[slanidrac16]

Henry would allow us to fill other needs with the #8 pick, but I would not be surprised if we still took another rb with our 3rd pick, especially if Arrington was still there.
Actually if we get Henry I would love to see us take Sproles with our #75 pick before somebody else does.......especially somebody in the NFC West.

Henry could be a 1 year fix. There would be no hurry to sign Henry to a long term deal. At least not right away.
He wants out of Buffalo. His options are to accept a trade and play under his current contract. Stay with the Bills ....and play under his current contract, or sit out the season(until week 10) and make 1/3 of his current contract.

I would tell Henry if he comes here we may or may not work out a long term deal. Either way it would not be until after the draft. If a rb doesn't fall to us later in the draft then we go ahead and work out a long term deal.

 

[kerouac9]

Then again, the Bills are looking to aquire an offensive tackle that tore up his knee three-quarters of the way through last season. Does anyone know if Shelton is back at 100%, or if he's even in shape?

The guy ended the season on IR. I'm sure that's one of the things that Donohoe is saying to Graves/Green when they talk about swapping picks. L.J. has a lengthy medical history.

 

[Shane]

Then again, the Bills are looking to aquire an offensive tackle that tore up his knee three-quarters of the way through last season. Does anyone know if Shelton is back at 100%, or if he's even in shape?

The guy ended the season on IR. I'm sure that's one of the things that Donohoe is saying to Graves/Green when they talk about swapping picks. L.J. has a lengthy medical history.

That is a gross overexaggeration K9.

Henry also has a history of injuries as early as last year. I would call it a wash.

 

[kerouac9]

That is a gross overexaggeration K9.

Henry also has a history of injuries as early as last year. I would call it a wash.

It is an exaggeration, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's what TD is saying whenever Green says that he doesn't want to swap seconds. Shelton had ankle surgery last offseason that caused him to come into camp grossly overweight and cost him a starting job and then tore up his knee 3/4 of the way into last season:

Cameron Spikes just cut-blocked L.J. Shelton on third down. Everyone on special teams is huddled around him, and Spikes looks like he just killed L.J.'s mom. This offensive line is starting to gel.

Garbage Time Notebook What a fun article that was to write. There are some funny lines in there.

 

[JPlay]

If we get Henry, I say we draft Sproles. That would be a great tandem, with Hambrick or SHipp there for power. If Henry doesn't have it anymore we will know by next year if Sproles and Hambrick can handle the load. . Much like Atlanta does. If not, we draft an RB next year. D'Angelo Williams comes to mind along w/ Reggie Bush.

 

[DMBills36]

That is a gross overexaggeration K9.

Henry also has a history of injuries as early as last year. I would call it a wash.

Nah man. Henry's history of injuries have barely stopped him from playing. Thats why he is known as a warrior. He is, and has been, fine to play right now. Definitely not a wash.

 

[jstadvl]

I have no idea

if this was brought up yet, but, Henry in the Bills Locker room will be a cancer. Shelton, no matter, will not be for the Cards. He's proven that over and over. Has played through injuries. He didn't come in THAT out of shape, he played well against Berry in camp and wound up starting.
So I'd say it's a fair trade straight across. I'd also be willing to bet that he's in better shape now than previous years, after the debacle last year and the trade rumors.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

Trading players and trading 2nd rounders isn't a bad deal. Henry is young and has proven that he can get 1,000 yards. He'll have a great back up with Shipp or Hambrick or both.

You KNOW that during this whole trade has been going on the Cardinal's doctors are talking to the Bill's doctor and vise versa about injuries. Both teams have to be pretty confident that LJ and Henry are healthy, our else this thing would have been shot down weeks ago.

I say do it. We haven't had a 1,000 yard back since Murell. That's sad folks.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Nah man. Henry's history of injuries have barely stopped him from playing. Thats why he is known as a warrior. He is, and has been, fine to play right now. Definitely not a wash.

I do agree with this. Henry, if nothing else is tough as nails, and will play hurt...( see wrist, ribs, foot etc)

Prior to 2004 he missed a total of 4 games. His injuries, to me, are not concerning. What is concerning is what the Cards will give up to get him.....

 

[jstadvl]

as for the docs

they'll both do what KVB did. go see an outside specialist and get the full go ahead and health clearance. That puts any team looking at you at ease.

 

[JeffGollin]

You KNOW that during this whole trade has been going on the Cardinal's doctors are talking to the Bill's doctor and vise versa about injuries.
Well, let's put it this way - you'd certainly would hope so. But you can never assume anything when you're a Cardinal fan.

 

[Russ Smith]

You are a good poster with solid takes. I hope Losman does well, but I have some of the same concerns. As far as attitude, he's been in Buffalo since the end of the season watching film, throwning, and working out - he never left as far as I know. That give me some hope for sure!

I will admit if JP hadn't bailed on UCLA I'd probably have a much better opinion of him but he had nearly the same effect on UCLA football that Steve Lavin had on UCLA basketball they STILL haven't recovered from Losman bailing the way he did. UCLA got an early commitment from Losman and stopped recruiting other QB's even though they had 2 other highly regarded kids they were in good shape with. They promised Losman they wouldn't recruit anybody else, they'd open up the competition at QB, but that if he wasn't the starter as a freshman they may redshirt him. When the reality of that hit him in spring practice he bolted. The problem was by then one of their underclassmen QB prospects had already transferred out(because he knew Losman was going to be better) and so UCLA lost TWO QB's not just JP.

Then you factor in the kids that UCLA chose to NOT recruit they were now behind on recruiting the next class and it snowballed. I admit the coaching situation was a disaster and I'm not convinced Dorrell is the answer either but the way Losman bolted he positively screwed over UCLA.

He's a very cocky kid and he absolutely has physical skills, with him it's all going to depend on his mental makeup, can he deal with adversity etc. It's a tough call with McGahee and their defense you can really argue that he won't be asked to do a lot, but you can also argue that ala Ben, in the end they will only go as far as he's ready to go, and I get the impression Ben is a much more "stable" personality than JP is.

 

[Russ Smith]

Nah man. Henry's history of injuries have barely stopped him from playing. Thats why he is known as a warrior. He is, and has been, fine to play right now. Definitely not a wash.

Really so has Shelton, he's played with a long list of injuries, the knee finally took him out last year but he's proven he can play hurt.

For me the issue with Henry is the 2 leg injuries in consecutive seasons, that's a pretty serious issue with a RB who runs so hard and takes a lot of hits. RB's don't play as long as LT's, especially ones who run like Henry does. I have this sneaking suspicion his 1400+ days are already behind him unless he plays on a team that has such a great passing attack and OL that the holes are huge, I don't think we're there yet.

 

[JeffGollin]

Reading the Tea Leaves...

The McShay rumor about the trade being "only a few days away" is now hyped as a headline/link on the ESPN Insider web page. The fact that they'd do this leads me to believe the report has more credibility than I first thought.

If it turns out to be true - and the trade, in fact, is completed in a few days, I still think the terms of that contract may look a bit different from the (our #44 for their #55) way McShane reported it - maybe even a straight player for player swap.

But things are looking up.

Warner hasn't shown anything in years
That's a bit of an overstatement (unless you define "years" as less than 3) since Warner's only been in the NFL for 7 years.

 

[Russ Smith]

the one thing with Insiders is they're no more right than Mort or Clayton. They had a list of FA's and who they thought would sign them and they were wrong more than right.

Where I've found them to be useful is in reporting what someone is asking for in a trade, or contract etc, but even there they've been wrong(surtain's reported signing bonus they said he was asking for much less than he really was for example).

The fact that they made it headline probably means there's not a whole lot else to report on.

 

[bills_phan]

The McShay rumor about the trade being "only a few days away" is now hyped as a headline/link on the ESPN Insider web page. The fact that they'd do this leads me to believe the report has more credibility than I first thought.

If it turns out to be true - and the trade, in fact, is completed in a few days, I still think the terms of that contract may look a bit different from the (our #44 for their #55) way McShane reported it - maybe even a straight player for player swap.

But things are looking up.

Warner hasn't shown anything in years
That's a bit of an overstatement (unless you define "years" as less than 3) since Warner's only been in the NFL for 7 years.

Well, yeah, years implies more than 1, in this case 3. I'm not trying to burst your bubble, but I was excited when Bledsoe came to Buffalo, even though he hadn't really produced in years (2).

 

[JPlay]

Henry's injuries are not really that big of a problem. He plays through almost all injuries. Also, he didn't produce because McGahee is amazing and stole his job. You're distorting the real reason he didn't produce, which is really McGahee. And once again, you and I can say what we want. We're obviously going to vouch for our teams and positions. But guess what? It's between Graves, oops I mean Green, and Donahoe. And it looks as though things are leaning towards the Bills with the latest news/rumors.

McGahee didn't steal his job, Henry gave it to him w/ his awful performance last year. I'm not sold on how good Henry is. We may be getting Buffalo's junk.

 

[Poorknight1]

I'm not sold on how good Henry is. We may be getting Buffalo's junk.

Seems like a fair deal since they're getting our junk in exchange. Totally changes the draft if this deal goes down (for the better!).


PK1

 

[john h]

From an ESPN.com Insider chat with Todd McShay:


Mike (Tuscon, AZ): What will Arizona do now that Kurt Warner has come -- RB?

Todd McShay: I'm hearing that the Cardinals will get a trade down with the Bills in the next few days. The Cards will send Shelton and their second round pick (44) to Buffalo in exchange for RB Travis Henry and their second round pick (55). If that's the case, cornerback will be the Cardinals top priority. It will likely be either Antrel Rolle or Pac-Man Jones.


I'm not sure how reliable McShay's information is. Is Denny gonna fold and swap seconds? We'll see...

I am sick of hearing this deal will happen in a few days.