Top 1st round talent QB's most likely gone by 15

[POISON]

Peyton Manning threw 28 picks his rookie year.
Andrew Luck threw 18.

This is a bad argument.

I meant to write 40 ints, my mistake

 

[cardncubfan]

This isn't true. Russell Wilson had legit concerns. His size is a statistical outlier. Dak got a DUI prior to the draft. Tom was benched his senior year. Carr had his older brother David who failed as a starter (not all his fault). Guys who fall, fall for a reason. You are drafting the 5th or 6th QB in a draft for a reason. It doesn't mean that he can't succeed, but there are more road blocks in the way.

You may have a point with Russell but not with the others. If they had top rated talent they would have been drafted higher regardless. Talent trumps everything.

 

[GatorAZ]

List of Heisman winning QBs;
Heisman Trophy-winning quarterbacks

1. Davey O’Brien, TCU Horned Frogs (1938)
2. Nile Kinnick, Iowa Hawkeyes (1939)
3. Angelo Bertelli, Notre Dame Fighting Irish (1943)
4. Les Horvath, Ohio State Buckeyes (1944)
5. Johnny Lujack, Notre Dame Fighting Irish (1947)
6. Paul Hornung, Notre Dame Fighting Irish (1956)
7. Terry Baker, Oregon State Beavers (1962)
8. Roger Staubach, Navy Midshipmen (1963)
9. John Huarte, Notre Dame Fighting Irish (1964)
10. Steve Spurrier, Florida Gators (1966)
11. Gary Beban, UCLA Bruins (1967)
12. Jim Plunkett, Stanford Cardinal (1970)
13. Pat Sullivan, Auburn Tigers (1971)
14. Doug Flutie, Boston College Eagles (1984)
15. Vinny Testaverde, Miami Hurricanes (1986)
16. Andre Ware, Houston Cougars (1989)
17. Ty Detmer, BYU Cougars (1990)
18. Gino Torretta, Miami Hurricanes (1992)
19. Charlie Ward, Florida State Seminoles (1993)
20. Danny Wuerffel, Florida Gators (1996)
21. Chris Weinke, Florida State Seminoles (2000)
22. Eric Crouch, Nebraska Cornhuskers (2001)
23. Carson Palmer, USC Trojans (2002)
24. Jason White, Oklahoma Sooners (2003)
25. Matt Leinart, USC Trojans (2004)
26. Troy Smith, Ohio State Buckeyes (2006)
27. Tim Tebow, Florida Gators (2007)
28. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Sooners (2008)
29. Cam Newton, Auburn Tigers (2010)
30. Robert Griffin III, Baylor Bears (2011)
31. Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M Aggies (2012)
32. Jameis Winston, Florida State Seminoles (2013)
33. Marcus Mariota, Oregon Ducks (2014)
34. Lamar Jackson, Louisville Cardinals (2016)
35. Baker Mayfield Oklahoma Sooners (2017)

Jason White over Fitz was the worst robbery in history.

 

[Chopper0080]

You may have a point with Russell but not with the others. If they had top rated talent they would have been drafted higher regardless. Talent trumps everything.

Derek Carr was drafted after Manziel even thought he was a much more polished and ready QB.

Dak was viewed as an option for Denver in round 1, but dropped.

Tom Brady was viewed as deficient by his college coach. Not a shock that the NFL viewed him the same way which is why he dropped.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

probably u forgot about Patrick Peterson

You are correct Sir!

So we are 2 for 13..

 

[gbrim21]

You are correct Sir!

So we are 2 for 13..

This is great perspective, and I think relevant to the QB discussion at hand. As fans we like to talk in absolutes then use anecdotal evidence to support our claims. "Never trade up in round 1 for a QB, look at Christian Ponder" ... "Always trade up on round 1 for a QB, look at Wentz/Goff!"

For me, I look at our first round picks and since PP21, most have been ok players, but nobody that would alter our win/loss column like even a marginal upgrade at QB would. Look at salaries: Bradford, who is not a top 15, probably not a top 20 QB in this league, got an annual average higher than the highest WR. I think you have to look at the draft similarly, it's very possible that the 5th QB, as long as he's even a marginal upgrade from what you have or project to have, is more valuable than a really good positional player.

Looking at these 1st round picks is why I'm ok selling the farm to move up and get a QB if we are really sold on him. This franchise has never had a franchise QB under the age of 35. I'd personally be willing to sell a ton of draft capital to solidy that position for the next 10-12 yrs. Assuming, of course, that we know how to evaluate QB talent which is of course a question mark at this point.

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