Trade Deadline Thread

[Mainstreet]

Well, I would expect it to cost us Bender, Chriss, Tucker, 17 pick, 19 pick, both Miami picks and maybe more to buy two players of that level. We might be more likely to trade for one with the idea of signing the other as a free agent?

Trading for one star and getting the other in free agency sounds more realistic but I don't think this would stop McDonough from doing such a trade depending on the players. I was thinking along the lines it might take four first round draft picks. Maybe Warren or Len subs for one of the youngsters in a trade.

 

[Mainstreet]

You can't trade Bledsoe before the ping pong balls are drawn.

I think we are talking about keeping Bledsoe and Booker in these scenarios.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You can't trade Bledsoe before the ping pong balls are drawn.

Maybe. If there's a team interested in Bledsoe and that pick, they might be risking quite a bit waiting until the balls drop (that just sounds wrong). I'd be awfully tempted to trade the number 1 for 2 more lottery picks this season plus a future pick rather than take the waiting trade for a wounded star.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Trading for one star and getting the other in free agency sounds more realistic but I don't think this would stop McDonough from doing such a trade depending on the players. I was thinking along the lines it might take four first round draft picks. Maybe Warren or Len subs for one of the youngsters in a trade.

If it happens I would imagine we'd protect Booker and Bledsoe and that's it, everyone else would be available.

 

[Finito]

Let's be honest the Suns are never gonna win a championship in this day and age. The cavs are paying like 40 million in luxury tax they are losing money the Heat lost money every year.

It's not about building championships anymore it's about buying them. The Warriors are gonna have to pay the piper when Curry is up I think this year or next.

 

[Mainstreet]

If it happens I would imagine we'd protect Booker and Bledsoe and that's it, everyone else would be available.

The art of negotiation would be who the Suns keep after Bledsoe and Booker. Preferably, I would want one of the stars under a long term contract.

I want a big trade now but this summer might make more sense.

 

[Mainstreet]

Let's be honest the Suns are never gonna win a championship in this day and age. The cavs are paying like 40 million in luxury tax they are losing money the Heat lost money every year.

It's not about building championships anymore it's about buying them. The Warriors are gonna have to pay the piper when Curry is up I think this year or next.

Still a team has to have a couple of stars to be in position to attract other stars to buy a championship.

It's hard to imagine Sarver paying luxury tax very long.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Let's be honest the Suns are never gonna win a championship in this day and age. The cavs are paying like 40 million in luxury tax they are losing money the Heat lost money every year.

It's not about building championships anymore it's about buying them. The Warriors are gonna have to pay the piper when Curry is up I think this year or next.

The Heat losing money was more a function of accounting than reality as it usually is for most teams. And that's without considering the ever increasing value of the franchise.

But more importantly, the new TV money is such an unexpected windfall and it changes the financial picture for every team. While at the same time, the league has made it even more unlikely that a coveted player would consider going elsewhere prior to the end of his second contract. The expectation of this is that draft picks should become even more valuable as time goes on. So there's no reason we can't be players eventually other than the fact that the odds are so against any single team.

 

[Finito]

The Heat losing money was more a function of accounting than reality as it usually is for most teams. And that's without considering the ever increasing value of the franchise.

But more importantly, the new TV money is such an unexpected windfall and it changes the financial picture for every team. While at the same time, the league has made it even more unlikely that a coveted player would consider going elsewhere prior to the end of his second contract. The expectation of this is that draft picks should become even more valuable as time goes on. So there's no reason we can't be players eventually other than the fact that the odds are so against any single team.

It was a factor of paying Lebron James, D Wade and Bosh.

It's the way the league is going Micky Arison is on record as saying he lost money every year the big 3 were together in Miami. The franchise only really goes up if you win right now The Cavs are worth a ton but when James leaves and they go back to sucking they won't be worth so much

 

[AzStevenCal]

It was a factor of paying Lebron James, D Wade and Bosh.

It's the way the league is going Micky Arison is on record as saying he lost money every year the big 3 were together in Miami. The franchise only really goes up if you win right now The Cavs are worth a ton but when James leaves and they go back to sucking they won't be worth so much

Yeah, that was what broke up that team. Riley and the owner promised to spend whatever it took to keep talent around Lebron and the minute they won a championship, Arison started pinching pennies. They were paying the luxury tax but the franchise was increasing in value by unheard of figures. That's why Lebron made his "poor me" comments recently about Cleveland.

But it's not true that the value returns to pre-championship levels. It drops but nowhere near that far. Arison bought that team for 33M in 1988 and as of 2016, it's valued at more than 1.3B. Much of that increase came during and now, since, Lebron's arrival.

 

[Bodha]

Trade Mcdonough for a basket of smallpox blankets

 

[Finito]

Yeah, that was what broke up that team. Riley and the owner promised to spend whatever it took to keep talent around Lebron and the minute they won a championship, Arison started pinching pennies. They were paying the luxury tax but the franchise was increasing in value by unheard of figures. That's why Lebron made his "poor me" comments recently about Cleveland.

But it's not true that the value returns to pre-championship levels. It drops but nowhere near that far. Arison bought that team for 33M in 1988 and as of 2016, it's valued at more than 1.3B. Much of that increase came during and now, since, Lebron's arrival.

That's not exactly how that happened didn't they go to the finals every year the big 3 was together went 2-2. Wade got old quick and Bosh got sick right. I wouldn't call that pinching pennies when your money is tied up like that. I don't remember Lebron saying I'll take less to get more help.

How is lebron gonna cry about not getting help when his owner has given him everything he wanted and is paying 40 million in luxury tax this year

Come on every franchise in the 80s is obviously worth a ton more now. The Heat are worth (according the Forbes) 1.35 billion the league average is 1.36 billion. Basically your average franchise now

 

[AzStevenCal]

That's not exactly how that happened didn't they go to the finals every year the big 3 was together went 2-2. Wade got old quick and Bosh got sick right. I wouldn't call that pinching pennies when your money is tied up like that. I don't remember Lebron saying I'll take less to get more help.

How is lebron gonna cry about not getting help when his owner has given him everything he wanted and is paying 40 million in luxury tax this year

Come on every franchise in the 80s is obviously worth a ton more now. The Heat are worth (according the Forbes) 1.35 billion the league average is 1.36 billion. Basically your average franchise now

Yeah, it actually is how it happened according to Stephen A Smith and that Windhorst guy. Both of them reported it along with several others. Around the same time that Arison was using Miller to dump a bad contract, Forbes or someone like that reported that Lebron was bringing something like 150M annually to the Heat (similar numbers were generated regarding Kobe in LA).

Lebron felt like Arison was pinching pennies expecting Lebron to carry even more of the responsibility of winning. James felt the loss to the Spurs that would have given them their 3rd straight championship was a direct result of Arison backpedaling on his promise to keep decent players around the trio. And he felt Gilbert was now doing the same thing in Cleveland, after being handed their first ever championship. I disagree with his conclusion about Cleveland but it was obvious in Miami.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Let's be honest the Suns are never gonna win a championship in this day and age. The cavs are paying like 40 million in luxury tax they are losing money the Heat lost money every year.

It's not about building championships anymore it's about buying them. The Warriors are gonna have to pay the piper when Curry is up I think this year or next.

Ok. I am not trying to be a smart Alec here. And I understand that this is the way the league seems to be functioning. But people who get things done in this world cannot afford to sit and say it can't be done. They have to quit making excuses and go do it.

 

[Finito]

Ok. I am not trying to be a smart Alec here. And I understand that this is the way the league seems to be functioning. But people who get things done in this world cannot afford to sit and say it can't be done. They have to quit making excuses and go do it.

Reality is reality do we have an owner willing to pay deep way deep into the luxury tax? Heck no we don't we've seen it over and over.

It's easy to say oh just go out and build a championship but it takes money to build that, it takes money to sign a star or two.

It's easy to post on a message board and say just go do it when your spending someone else's money

 

[AzStevenCal]

Reality is reality do we have an owner willing to pay deep way deep into the luxury tax? Heck no we don't we've seen it over and over.

It's easy to say oh just go out and build a championship but it takes money to build that, it takes money to sign a star or two.

It's easy to post on a message board and say just go do it when your spending someone else's money

Sarver has shown the willingness to spend and go over the cap, we were one of the highest payroll-ed teams during Mike D's run. He's still a spendthrift but that's true of almost every owner or ownership group in the league. It's been several years since he's spent at that level but I doubt that will be the issue. I have more concerns over his cutting costs elsewhere than I do with spending on a roster. But like I said, he's not alone in that regard and I'm pretty sure that the Cleveland owner was equally frugal until Lebron's return.

The odds are against any team winning a championship, I just don't think team payroll will be the reason we fail to make it happen. I wouldn't rule out him making cost saving decisions that end up biting us in the butt, he's done that before, but that's more a problem with him understanding the game he's bought into rather than him actually being cheap. As we've all said about him before, he has been penny wise, pound foolish.

 

[Finito]

Sarver has shown the willingness to spend and go over the cap, we were one of the highest payroll-ed teams during Mike D's run. He's still a spendthrift but that's true of almost every owner or ownership group in the league. It's been several years since he's spent at that level but I doubt that will be the issue. I have more concerns over his cutting costs elsewhere than I do with spending on a roster. But like I said, he's not alone in that regard and I'm pretty sure that the Cleveland owner was equally frugal until Lebron's return.

The odds are against any team winning a championship, I just don't think team payroll will be the reason we fail to make it happen. I wouldn't rule out him making cost saving decisions that end up biting us in the butt, he's done that before, but that's more a problem with him understanding the game he's bought into rather than him actually being cheap. As we've all said about him before, he has been penny wise, pound foolish.

During that D'Antoni run we sold off draft picks and assets like candy so we wouldn't have to pay them

 

[AzStevenCal]

During that D'Antoni run we sold off draft picks and assets like candy so we wouldn't have to pay them

Yeah, that's part of what I was referring to. We sold a couple of draft picks (and bought one) plus, the real killer, we gave up assets to move a player that still had value. Those were very bad decisions. And they were financially motivated. But guess what, every team makes financial decisions. Sarver just made the wrong ones.

But as I said, we'd been over the cap for awhile. He wasn't refusing to spend money, he just chose poorly where to try and save. We're stuck with him so we have to hope that he's learned from those mistakes and his public comments suggest that he has. And despite a few regular complaints here about him, all evidence suggests he's less involved in the day to day decisions of this franchise.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah, that's part of what I was referring to. We sold a couple of draft picks (and bought one) plus, the real killer, we gave up assets to move a player that still had value. Those were very bad decisions. And they were financially motivated. But guess what, every team makes financial decisions. Sarver just made the wrong ones.

But as I said, we'd been over the cap for awhile. He wasn't refusing to spend money, he just chose poorly where to try and save. We're stuck with him so we have to hope that he's learned from those mistakes and his public comments suggest that he has. And despite a few regular complaints here about him, all evidence suggests he's less involved in the day to day decisions of this franchise.

All I ask is that he has learned from his mistakes. So far, Sarver has let McDonough captain the ship.

 

[AzStevenCal]

All I ask is that he has learned from his mistakes. So far, Sarver has let McDonough captain the ship.

Yeah, ask. Maybe beg. And I think he's let Ryan call the shots too. I mean, we never really know but it appears to be the case.

 

[Phrazbit]

Yeah, ask. Maybe beg. And I think he's let Ryan call the shots too. I mean, we never really know but it appears to be the case.

I think the biggest sign that this is the case is that the leaks have stopped. The local sports guys (especially Gambo) used to know eeeeeverything the Suns were planning on doing and they've been blindsided repeatedly the last few years.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think the biggest sign that this is the case is that the leaks have stopped. The local sports guys (especially Gambo) used to know eeeeeverything the Suns were planning on doing and they've been blindsided repeatedly the last few years.

I still think Gambo is nailing Suns news but he is only getting it on very short notice.

 

[devilalum]

Celtics want Tucker. They should be able to cough up a #1. Their first in this years draft would work.

 

[devilalum]

I think the biggest sign that this is the case is that the leaks have stopped. The local sports guys (especially Gambo) used to know eeeeeverything the Suns were planning on doing and they've been blindsided repeatedly the last few years.

Sarver used to tell him everything. IMO it screwed up some deals. The new MO is better.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Celtics want Tucker. They should be able to cough up a #1. Their first in this years draft would work.

I could be wrong, but I think they don't own Brooklyn's pick, but just the right to swap order in the first round, which would mean they can't trade their pick because it is essentially that Brooklyn pick.