Trade rumor Marion!

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I think the maximum offer worth considering is Marion, Jones, and the Atlanta/Boston/Los Angeles/whatever pick, the one the Suns may get this summer. Garnett's salary is $4.3 million more than Marion's this year and $4.9 million more next year, so the payroll would be cramped and the Suns' interest in guaranteed rookie contracts would figure to be modest.

I think the Suns have to keep Barbosa in the hope that he can become more of a PG. And they have to keep Diaw for his playmaking ability. Neither of those would have as much value to the Wolves anyway.

I'm intrigued by the rumor, but now that I think about it, I really don't see it happening. Well, not unless a third team is involved in a complicated multi-player arrangement. If Minnesota is going to trade Garnett, they have to unload some bad contracts too: Blount, Hudson, Jaric, somebody. The Suns don't want any of those players and wouldn't be able to make the salaries match anyway. So it would have to be a third team that really wants Marion, is willing to take on a bad contract or two, and has a big expiring contract or some other way to give the Wolves a ton of cap space.

i think that makes sense. on the actual components of the deal though, i personally wouldn't do it if it involved anyone in our current rotation other than marion. picks, fine. jim jackson, fine. barbosa/house/jones? no

if they want to get rid of him, like i said, it is not possible to get anything better than marion. not in a player now, not in free agency later, nowhere. orlando has learned that lesson the hard way. we need to stand our ground.

 

[PhxGametime]

Wow, earlier this year, I said the only guy I'd Trade Steve Nash for was Garnett - Dwyane Wade is probably my 2nd favorite all-time Collegiate player and James is a stud but the other Teams wouldn't ever Trade a younger player like that for Nash...


Marion was my all-time favorite Collegiate player probably (Jefferson and Iguodala were close due to being UofA fan and Wade was something else in College) but Marion is also my favorite Suns player, Diaw 2nd and Stoudemire 3rd...


I just don't even know what to think, right now. I even have a Marion banner on Myspace, mah username from beginning has been BbaLL_31 all the way back to Sunsbackcourt.com lol... Garnett makes $18, $20, $22, $24 Mill the next 4 years - Marion $13, $15, $16, $17... Kurt Thomas would probably have-to be included. Most likely a 1st Rounder and watching the Suns without Marion would be tough... when is the deadline? I'll always be a Suns fan... that's about all I could say right now.

 

[hsandhu]

Well Paul Coro just wrote that it is absolutely false, which is what most of us probably figured.
However, if at the end of this season the suns fall a little short of winning it all, this is a trade they should at least look at. And is a trade that would seem logical to happen over the summer.

 

[elindholm]

Expiring contracts of at least $7.5 million

Thought I'd throw this out there, for whatever reason. The asterisks indicate players who have recently been traded and thus are harder (but not impossible) to move.

*Anfernee Hardaway ORL $15.8 million
Keith Van Horn DAL 15.7
Tim Thomas CHI 14.0
*Antonio Davis TOR 13.9
Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLE 9.2, except the Cavs probably want to keep him
*Kelvin Cato DET 8.6 million
Andre Miller DEN 8.1 (is his really expiring? I don't believe HoopsHype here)
Bonzi Wells SAC 8.0
Lorenzen Wright MEM 7.7

The teams I could see potentially wanting Marion in exchange for their cap space are ORL, CHI, TOR, and MEM. MEM can probably be eliminated due to luxury-tax considerations. TOR has a hard time making the numbers work because of the restrictions on trading Davis. The other two, I don't know, I guess it's possible:

Marion, Hassell to CHI
Tim Thomas, Ben Gordon, Jones, Suns (Hawks) pick, future Bulls pick to MIN
Garnett to PHO

Something like that?

 

[slinslin]

Where? How could the rumor be false if Marion even confirmed it?

 

[Chaplin]

Marion only confirmed that it was a rumor, not that it was true.

This is crazy. I'm relatively speechless, but I think the odds of all of us waking up tomorrow morning and seeing this happen are virtually nil.

 

[elindholm]

Marion only confirmed that it was a rumor, not that it was true.

Right. Rumors have no truth value. As soon as anyone says anything, it is a fact that there is a rumor. That doesn't tell us anything about whether the rumor has validity.

All "rumor" means is, "something that somebody said and which hasn't been verified."

 

[jandaman]

Marion to the Suns > Garnett to any team.

Garnett is the better play maker/passer and can score by himself. But Marion matches him in everything and ups him by being PERFECT for the Suns.

 

[devilalum]

KG 20 mil.
Amare 12 mil.
Nash 10.5

No way Sarver puts the Suns in cap HELL.

If this trade happened kiss Diaw and LB goodbye.

And I agree KG is a better player but Marion is a better Sun.

 

[CardEd]

Not sure I'd want to lose marion. A few questions I'd have.....

Will KG spread the floor the way marion does? No
Will KG play off the ball the way SM does? No
Will KG hussle to track down loose balls and rebounds the way SM does? maybe
Will the KG and STAT co-exist in the lane together? maybe

How would every one feel about this trade if STAT doesn't come back this season? Would KG make this team any better than Marion does? NO, and a KG trade could put us in cap hell.

I love KG as a top five talent, but would he do what marion does for this team?

 

[MastersofCombat]

I think it would go down as Marion and Thomas for Garnett and someone else....

 

[boisesuns]

Maybe Marion is upset about Amare comming back and hearing all about that and wants out.

 

[jibikao]

Maybe it is just a rumor.... like how KG wants it out so many teams just put something on the table and see if T-Wolves would take it and quite frankly, Marion of our Big 3 is a bit more expenable??

I just downloaded last night's recap and I saw Marion going in strong!! Why doesn't he do that more often? I say 70% of the time when he has the ball, he would do some dribbling (shake left and shake right) and then just pass it out and then set picks. It will be great if Mario can utilize his quickness to go inside more often and draw some darn fouls!

Maybe last night Marion was trying to make a statement that he WANTS to stay in Suns and he is > KG. lol

I agree that KG is a better all-around player but I don't think KG fits our system. I think he'll slow down the game.

 

[Joe Mama]

wow, so many thoughts, so confused...

how can a team that is so good let a core nucleas player go? especially a team that is so unique in the way it plays the game? remember how long it took raja to get in the flow? kg's been playing a certain way for a decade, it's not going to be easy to change that.

so it has finally gotten to this point: we are basically saying shawn marion for kevin garnett is a fair trade, and i believe it. IF kg actually wanted out, you're NOT going to get ANYTHING better than marion.

i just have such a hard time thinking about letting shawn go. its so funny, about 18 months ago, i was the one making all the 'trade marion' threads, but i have seen the light. who WOULD i trade marion for? in our system, with our team, i'd trade him for LeBron...that's it. Not DWade, not Duncan, not Shaq, not Brand, NOBODY else. that's how good i think marion is.

all that being said, if this were to happen, i'd be riveted. that would be high drama. so many questions: can KG and amare co-exist? can KG fit in the run-n-gun scheme? would KG lose some of his effectiveness not being the primary ball-handler?

interesting thing about the two, KG and marion, is that their perceived weaknesses are similar: both seem to wilt in big games, are not as physical around the rim as they could be.

KG eclipses marion in that he can create his own shot, better passing instincts, and he has height. Marion beats KG in that he is better off the ball (which is prized in our offense), generally quicker/more explosive, better chemistry with current team, and slightly better defensive ability for his size.

they are a wash in terms of rebounding, shooting, ft's, to's, and leadership imo.

if that choice was given to me, i think my head would explode. this is to say it's certainly closer than some people here think. if anything, i'd be inclined to stay with marion, ESPECIALLY if i was headed out the door. why risk that this could blow up in your face on your way out the door. you've done GREAT, just keep status quo and you're guaranteed to look like gold as you ride off into the bitter cold and snow...

okay, I should start off by saying that I love Shawn Marion, and what he has done the last two years. as good as he was last year he's been much better this year. I love the way he's moving off the ball.

That said, there is just no comparing these two players. Shawn Marion might be better in the open court, but we really haven't seen KG in a Phoenix Suns offense. Defensively it's absurd to compare the two of them. KG can effectively guard any position on the court, and he's better than almost any player in the NBA at doing it.

Shawn Marion is a very good off the ball defender. Otherwise KG is much better and more versatile in every defensive category. He does not need double team help at all.

I also believe that KG would complement Amare Stoudemire perfectly. In fact I cannot think of another player in the NBA who would complement him as well as KG.

This trade honestly reminds me of the Charles Barkley trade. Everybody loved Horny and hated to see him go. However these of the sacrifices you make when you are trying to go on a championship run.

If the deal was Shawn Marion, Jim Jackson, and a couple first-round draft picks I would make it in a second. I would be extremely upset if the Phoenix Suns passed on a deal like that. I would throw at high Atlanta pick in the deal as well if that's what it took.

This is a no-brainer people even though I am very happy with the current team and would hate to see Shawn Marion go.

Of course I don't believe it's really going to happen, and it wouldn't surprise me if this was at most a casual conversation between a few GM's

Joe Mama

 

[scotsman13]

personally i wouldnt go after garrnet there are just to many questions. can amare and garrnet play together? we know that marion and amare can. if garrnet isnt the main man then would he still pull in the numbers he has? nash and amare are the center of the this team and whoever is left over has to play the 3rd roll and be productive. we know that marion can do that. about the only reason i can think of doing this marion for kg trade is that we are hearing that to get kg is the lakers plan to rebuild their future and i would enjoy sticking it to the laker fans again.

 

[jibikao]

personally i wouldnt go after garrnet there are just to many questions. can amare and garrnet play together? we know that marion and amare can. if garrnet isnt the main man then would he still pull in the numbers he has? nash and amare are the center of the this team and whoever is left over has to play the 3rd roll and be productive. we know that marion can do that. about the only reason i can think of doing this marion for kg trade is that we are hearing that to get kg is the lakers plan to rebuild their future and i would enjoy sticking it to the laker fans again.

Yup, I think the problem is not KG + Amare. It is KG + Nash.

Nash + Amare pick&roll is almost unstoppable when they do it right and we've seen them using it so effectively against Mavs and Spurs.

When you throw KG in the combination (who is also an MVP), would he be willing to be the 3rd option? Does he really want that? And what if Suns want to run offense through KG? What will Nash do?

I just think Marion/Nash fits the running system more than anything else. I think if they want to get KG, they might as well deal Nash to T-Wolves. Would that happen?

 

[George O'Brien]

There is no substance to this rumor.

 

[Tank]

I don't know how I feel about it, but I definately wouldn't do anything more than Shawn and JJack for KG.

Anything more than that and I would not like the trade.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Marion

41.3 mpg
50.9% FG
30.9% 3pt
78.4% FT
11.9 RPG
1.8 APG
1.96 SPG
1.88 BPG
1.48 Turnovers
2.8 Fouls
21.1 PPG


Garnett

39.2 MPG
52.7% FG
31.8% 3pt
79.4% FT
11.9 RPG
4.3 APG
1.19 SPG
1.36 BPG
2.32 Turnovers
2.7 Fouls
21.6 PPG

Garnett's shooting is about the same. His ppg are about the same. He gets more assists, but has more turnovers. He has less blocks and steals (plays less minutes). Overall their stats are very similar. Garnett has more height, but I don't know how his attitude would affect the team. I don't think he brings us much more than Marion does and I doubt he can run the floor like Marion. If we're giving up anyone else in our top 9 then we're giving up too much.

the numbers are damn close, but one major difference, kg can get his own shot, and while marion has improved in this area a bit this year, he's still dependent on movement and someone getting him the ball in the proper place. i have little worry about garnett's ability to get out on the break. that's one tall athletic freak.

 

[George O'Brien]

If it was just an issue of talent, KG is certainly the guy. However, his reputation for feuding with teammates is too well established for me to take a risk that he wouldn't mesh with Amare.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

okay, I should start off by saying that I love Shawn Marion, and what he has done the last two years. as good as he was last year he's been much better this year. I love the way he's moving off the ball.

That said, there is just no comparing these two players. Shawn Marion might be better in the open court, but we really haven't seen KG in a Phoenix Suns offense. Defensively it's absurd to compare the two of them. KG can effectively guard any position on the court, and he's better than almost any player in the NBA at doing it.

Shawn Marion is a very good off the ball defender. Otherwise KG is much better and more versatile in every defensive category. He does not need double team help at all.

I also believe that KG would complement Amare Stoudemire perfectly. In fact I cannot think of another player in the NBA who would complement him as well as KG.

This trade honestly reminds me of the Charles Barkley trade. Everybody loved Horny and hated to see him go. However these of the sacrifices you make when you are trying to go on a championship run.

If the deal was Shawn Marion, Jim Jackson, and a couple first-round draft picks I would make it in a second. I would be extremely upset if the Phoenix Suns passed on a deal like that. I would throw at high Atlanta pick in the deal as well if that's what it took.

This is a no-brainer people even though I am very happy with the current team and would hate to see Shawn Marion go.

Of course I don't believe it's really going to happen, and it wouldn't surprise me if this was at most a casual conversation between a few GM's

Joe Mama

Thank god someone posted this.....

Guys I have become a Marion convert and last night was one of the few times i have single handedly seen him win us a game (even when he scored 39 against dallas last year in the playoffs Nash went off too) so im very happy with him and the questions i would have would be why ruin the chemistry and if amare would approve...

But bar none KG is the better player....What do you think Nash would do for a superstar player like KG if he makes a great player like Marion into such a stud.....

This won't happen today but i maintian if/when KG wants out, the Suns have the most to offer in terms of max player (Marion) young players (Barbosa, jones, Diaw) and draft picks....

I would do up to Marion, Jones, Jackson, and two picks.....

but not Barbosa or Diaw

one thing that needs to be kept in mind is that a new GM may come in and want to make a splash or have a different philosophy so expect this to come up again if/when this takes place....

 

[Arizona's Finest]

If it was just an issue of talent, KG is certainly the guy. However, his reputation for feuding with teammates is too well established for me to take a risk that he wouldn't mesh with Amare.

KG just wants to win George....

My worry would be the threat to Amare's alpha dog status.....

I love Amare, but like most young great players he has a hell of an ego....(which is understandable)

I think KG would defer to him as he would love to play with Nash and STAT

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Wow, earlier this year, I said the only guy I'd Trade Steve Nash for was Garnett - Dwyane Wade is probably my 2nd favorite all-time Collegiate player and James is a stud but the other Teams wouldn't ever Trade a younger player like that for Nash...


Marion was my all-time favorite Collegiate player probably (Jefferson and Iguodala were close due to being UofA fan and Wade was something else in College) but Marion is also my favorite Suns player, Diaw 2nd and Stoudemire 3rd...


I just don't even know what to think, right now. I even have a Marion banner on Myspace, mah username from beginning has been BbaLL_31 all the way back to Sunsbackcourt.com lol... Garnett makes $18, $20, $22, $24 Mill the next 4 years - Marion $13, $15, $16, $17... Kurt Thomas would probably have-to be included. Most likely a 1st Rounder and watching the Suns without Marion would be tough... when is the deadline? I'll always be a Suns fan... that's about all I could say right now.

wow, this rumor really has you screwed up. that's the longest typed babble i've read in a long time.

 

[George O'Brien]

KG just wants to win George....

My worry would be the threat to Amare's alpha dog status.....

I love Amare, but like most young great players he has a hell of an ego....(which is understandable)

I think KG would defer to him as he would love to play with Nash and STAT

I'm not convinced KG puts the team above his ego. Sir Charles was hard on his teammates, but when he was a Sixer he did not drive away quality players. KG has and has done it repeatedly.

One thing I like about this Suns team is that there is no one with even a hint of personality issues. Maybe KG would bury his ego for the good of the team, but if not...

In any case, Marion is not going anywhere. He is a perfect complimentary player on team with two other super stars. There is no way he would be as useful to any other team.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

I'm not convinced KG puts the team above his ego. Sir Charles was hard on his teammates, but when he was a Sixer he did not drive away quality players. KG has and has done it repeatedly.

Who exactly has he driven away? Marbury left because he thought that he wouldnt get paid, not because of KG.

Billups left because McHale didn't want to pay him.

Has Minny even had talent other than them?