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RJ to the Gnats??? NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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I have heard RJ to Anaheim and maybe Boston.
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More rumors:
• Newark Star-Ledger: "Convinced they cannot re-sign him after the season — and so repulsed by his behavior Thursday night in the Bronx they no longer want to — Red Sox officials are seriously considering trading Nomar Garciaparra before the July 31 non-waivers deadline ... Players mentioned as possible return for the Red Sox include Chicago's Magglio Ordoñez, the Dodgers' Adrian Beltré, Seattle's Bret Boone, Toronto's Carlos Delgado and Anaheim's Adam Kennedy and Ramon Ortíz. ... An executive with a club interested in trading for Randy Johnson estimated there's a '10 percent chance' the Diamondbacks will deal him. Arizona is trying to trade Steve Finley, Danny Bautista, Shea Hillenbrand and Roberto Alomar. ... Mike Sweeney has replaced former Royals teammate Carlos Beltran as the best player available on the trade market. The Red Sox have talked to Kansas City, but might be more inclined to take Carlos Delgado once he comes off the disabled list because Delgado bats lefty, is a better fielder and will be a free agent after the season."
• Newsday: "Nomar Garciaparra rumors: To Anaheim for prospects. To L.A. in a three-way. To Seattle for Bret Boone and/or John Olerud ..."
• Hartford Courant: "An American League scout on Nomar Garciaparra sitting out Thursday night's 13-inning game at Yankee Stadium because of a sore Achilles' tendon... 'The Red Sox should forget about re-signing Nomar and get him out of there as fast as they can.' "
• The Boston Globe: "Carlos Delgado's agent, David Sloane, took no time in shooting down a rumored three-way deal that would have sent Nomar Garciaparra to the Dodgers, shortstop Cesar Izturis to the Blue Jays, and slugging first baseman Carlos Delgado to the Red Sox. Delgado, eligible for free agency after the season, has full no-trade protection in his contract, and Sloane said he hadn't heard a word from the Blue Jays."
Of course, this doesn't mean the teams have or haven't discussed the possibility of a trade.
• Chicago Sun-Times: "It's no coincidence that White Sox general manager Ken Williams, just as contract talks with Magglio Ordoñez appeared dead, is spending his Wrigley Field weekend emphasizing that he still has an offer on the table to the best ballplayer in Chicago. As he speaks openly about a heretofore off-limits topic, Williams obviously is weighing the harsh public-relations fallout if Ordoñez leaves the Sox and ends up with. ... The Cubs."
• Newsday: "The White Sox did well to grab Freddy Garcia, who's telling friends he wants to stay. Chicago has offered $24 million over three years."
• Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: "Some were scouts doing advance work on the Pirates and Brewers. Some were doing 'major-league coverage' — which can be a cover for 'We're here to watch Kris Benson.' And some, such as Cincinnati, Anaheim and Minnesota, could have been here specifically to watch Benson ... The New York Yankees, if they don't get Randy Johnson, Boston (because the Red Sox will have to do something if the Yankees do), the New York Mets, Philadelphia, San Diego, San Francisco, Texas and Los Angeles could have some interest. Tampa Bay, for that matter."
• Pittsburgh Tribune Review: "It's not uncommon for scouts to fill the stands this time of the year. That was no exception yesterday as a bevy watched Kris Benson pitch. An Anaheim Angels scout arrived on the scene, joining representatives from St. Louis, Minnesota and Detroit."
• Beaver County Times: "Important eyes were on Kris Benson. The Pittsburgh Pirates right-hander again showcased himself Saturday night for contending teams looking to add depth to their starting rotations before the July 31 non-waiver trading deadline. Among those who had scouts in attendance were Anaheim, Cleveland, Detroit, Minnesota and St. Louis."
• New York Daily News: "The Mets again scouted Kris Benson, their primary pitching target, last night as he scattered eight hits over seven innings in the Pirates' 5-3 win over the Brewers. Pittsburgh needs a third-base upgrade and had asked for David Wright, whom the Mets see as untouchable."
• Newark Star-Ledger: "A major-league official who has spoken with the Pirates front office says the Mets are still trying to work out a deal for Kris Benson and are looking to get a third team involved to facilitate a deal."
• Philadelphia Inquirer: "Phillies fans are clamoring for a deal, and after last week, it's pretty clear the club could use a boost in starting pitching. Superscout Gordon Lakey recently peeked in on very available Pittsburgh righthander Kris Benson, who many baseball people think would benefit from a change of scenery ... Centerfielders who have been mentioned include the Yankees' Kenny Lofton, the Expos' Brad Wilkerson and the Diamondbacks' Steve Finley."
• Philadelphia Inquirer: "That's the type of killer instinct the Phillies seem to lack. The solution, for next year, could be John Smoltz, a Curt Schilling-like competitor who is expected to be the latest free agent to leave Atlanta."
• Minneapolis Star-Tribune: "White Sox General Manager Kenny Williams is not done making deals. He's talked to Atlanta about Andruw Jones and Russ Ortíz and Pittsburgh about Jason Kendall."
• Newsday: "Curt Schilling called me a 'hack' on the radio and blamed the perception that Randy Johnson disliked him on 'hacks' — Arizona hacks. Going by his track record, I'm confident Johnson despised him. And maybe that means Johnson would prefer the Yankees to the Red Sox."
• Denver Post: "The San Diego Padres inquired about Rockies outfielder Mark Sweeney, but discussions never reached the stage of exchanging names of minor-league prospects. Now the Padres are directing their efforts at Diamondbacks center fielder Steve Finley."
• New York Post: "Odalis Perez, Dodgers ... Los Angeles won't move him until the bitter end. Going into the weekend, the Dodgers were 3 1/2 games behind the Giants for first in the NL West and it would be ludicrous for them to trade Perez — who was put on the 15-day DL yesterday — unless they fall much farther behind. If he does move, the Yankees look like the favorites to nab him and quickly slide him into the No. 3 slot."
• Miami Herald: "But now, with the two biggest trade targets off the board, clubs looking to make a deal find themselves facing a strategic dilemma: Do they give in to the pressure to choose quickly from a lackluster crop of available players thought to include Seattle pitcher Jamie Moyer, Arizona outfielder Steve Finley, Colorado pitcher Jason Jennings and Pittsburgh starter Kris Benson in the fear that that's as good as it will get?"
• Seattle Times: "Despite an opportunity to trade them, I'd keep Jamie Moyer, Bret Boone and Eddie Guardado. Having prospects is alluring, but you can't live on hope alone ... But they need power that won't come from their farm system; they need a force in the lineup. They need to spend their money on someone like Carlos Delgado, the Toronto star who a year ago drove in 145 runs, his sixth straight season with more than 100 runs batted in."
• Oregonian: "The good news is the Mariners have enough minor league talent and tradable veterans to make this summer productive. This team could rebuild quickly if it is willing to play the younger guys and not let sentiment get in the way of trading veterans such as starter Jamie Moyer or second baseman Brett Boone."
• St. Louis Post-Dispatch: "The Cardinals are known to have interest in upgrading themselves in left field, second base and the bullpen. Second baseman Bret Boone is an intriguing option at second base but carries an $8 million option."
• Newsday: "The Mariners and Padres are discussing a deal that would send righthander Gil Meche to San Diego in return for outfielder Xavier Nady ..."
• Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel: "Outfielder Jeremy Reed won't take long to reach Seattle and could make center fielder Randy Winn expendable by the trade deadline."
• Baltimore Sun: "The Orioles are believed to be making a push to acquire unhappy Anaheim Angels starting pitcher Ramon Ortíz, but the price apparently isn't going down just because Ortíz asked out of the organization after he was moved to the bullpen recently."
• Newark Star-Ledger: "Convinced they cannot re-sign him after the season — and so repulsed by his behavior Thursday night in the Bronx they no longer want to — Red Sox officials are seriously considering trading Nomar Garciaparra before the July 31 non-waivers deadline ... Players mentioned as possible return for the Red Sox include Chicago's Magglio Ordoñez, the Dodgers' Adrian Beltré, Seattle's Bret Boone, Toronto's Carlos Delgado and Anaheim's Adam Kennedy and Ramon Ortíz. ... An executive with a club interested in trading for Randy Johnson estimated there's a '10 percent chance' the Diamondbacks will deal him. Arizona is trying to trade Steve Finley, Danny Bautista, Shea Hillenbrand and Roberto Alomar. ... Mike Sweeney has replaced former Royals teammate Carlos Beltran as the best player available on the trade market. The Red Sox have talked to Kansas City, but might be more inclined to take Carlos Delgado once he comes off the disabled list because Delgado bats lefty, is a better fielder and will be a free agent after the season."
• Newsday: "Nomar Garciaparra rumors: To Anaheim for prospects. To L.A. in a three-way. To Seattle for Bret Boone and/or John Olerud ..."
• Hartford Courant: "An American League scout on Nomar Garciaparra sitting out Thursday night's 13-inning game at Yankee Stadium because of a sore Achilles' tendon... 'The Red Sox should forget about re-signing Nomar and get him out of there as fast as they can.' "
• The Boston Globe: "Carlos Delgado's agent, David Sloane, took no time in shooting down a rumored three-way deal that would have sent Nomar Garciaparra to the Dodgers, shortstop Cesar Izturis to the Blue Jays, and slugging first baseman Carlos Delgado to the Red Sox. Delgado, eligible for free agency after the season, has full no-trade protection in his contract, and Sloane said he hadn't heard a word from the Blue Jays."
Of course, this doesn't mean the teams have or haven't discussed the possibility of a trade.
• Chicago Sun-Times: "It's no coincidence that White Sox general manager Ken Williams, just as contract talks with Magglio Ordoñez appeared dead, is spending his Wrigley Field weekend emphasizing that he still has an offer on the table to the best ballplayer in Chicago. As he speaks openly about a heretofore off-limits topic, Williams obviously is weighing the harsh public-relations fallout if Ordoñez leaves the Sox and ends up with. ... The Cubs."
• Newsday: "The White Sox did well to grab Freddy Garcia, who's telling friends he wants to stay. Chicago has offered $24 million over three years."
• Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: "Some were scouts doing advance work on the Pirates and Brewers. Some were doing 'major-league coverage' — which can be a cover for 'We're here to watch Kris Benson.' And some, such as Cincinnati, Anaheim and Minnesota, could have been here specifically to watch Benson ... The New York Yankees, if they don't get Randy Johnson, Boston (because the Red Sox will have to do something if the Yankees do), the New York Mets, Philadelphia, San Diego, San Francisco, Texas and Los Angeles could have some interest. Tampa Bay, for that matter."
• Pittsburgh Tribune Review: "It's not uncommon for scouts to fill the stands this time of the year. That was no exception yesterday as a bevy watched Kris Benson pitch. An Anaheim Angels scout arrived on the scene, joining representatives from St. Louis, Minnesota and Detroit."
• Beaver County Times: "Important eyes were on Kris Benson. The Pittsburgh Pirates right-hander again showcased himself Saturday night for contending teams looking to add depth to their starting rotations before the July 31 non-waiver trading deadline. Among those who had scouts in attendance were Anaheim, Cleveland, Detroit, Minnesota and St. Louis."
• New York Daily News: "The Mets again scouted Kris Benson, their primary pitching target, last night as he scattered eight hits over seven innings in the Pirates' 5-3 win over the Brewers. Pittsburgh needs a third-base upgrade and had asked for David Wright, whom the Mets see as untouchable."
• Newark Star-Ledger: "A major-league official who has spoken with the Pirates front office says the Mets are still trying to work out a deal for Kris Benson and are looking to get a third team involved to facilitate a deal."
• Philadelphia Inquirer: "Phillies fans are clamoring for a deal, and after last week, it's pretty clear the club could use a boost in starting pitching. Superscout Gordon Lakey recently peeked in on very available Pittsburgh righthander Kris Benson, who many baseball people think would benefit from a change of scenery ... Centerfielders who have been mentioned include the Yankees' Kenny Lofton, the Expos' Brad Wilkerson and the Diamondbacks' Steve Finley."
• Philadelphia Inquirer: "That's the type of killer instinct the Phillies seem to lack. The solution, for next year, could be John Smoltz, a Curt Schilling-like competitor who is expected to be the latest free agent to leave Atlanta."
• Minneapolis Star-Tribune: "White Sox General Manager Kenny Williams is not done making deals. He's talked to Atlanta about Andruw Jones and Russ Ortíz and Pittsburgh about Jason Kendall."
• Newsday: "Curt Schilling called me a 'hack' on the radio and blamed the perception that Randy Johnson disliked him on 'hacks' — Arizona hacks. Going by his track record, I'm confident Johnson despised him. And maybe that means Johnson would prefer the Yankees to the Red Sox."
• Denver Post: "The San Diego Padres inquired about Rockies outfielder Mark Sweeney, but discussions never reached the stage of exchanging names of minor-league prospects. Now the Padres are directing their efforts at Diamondbacks center fielder Steve Finley."
• New York Post: "Odalis Perez, Dodgers ... Los Angeles won't move him until the bitter end. Going into the weekend, the Dodgers were 3 1/2 games behind the Giants for first in the NL West and it would be ludicrous for them to trade Perez — who was put on the 15-day DL yesterday — unless they fall much farther behind. If he does move, the Yankees look like the favorites to nab him and quickly slide him into the No. 3 slot."
• Miami Herald: "But now, with the two biggest trade targets off the board, clubs looking to make a deal find themselves facing a strategic dilemma: Do they give in to the pressure to choose quickly from a lackluster crop of available players thought to include Seattle pitcher Jamie Moyer, Arizona outfielder Steve Finley, Colorado pitcher Jason Jennings and Pittsburgh starter Kris Benson in the fear that that's as good as it will get?"
• Seattle Times: "Despite an opportunity to trade them, I'd keep Jamie Moyer, Bret Boone and Eddie Guardado. Having prospects is alluring, but you can't live on hope alone ... But they need power that won't come from their farm system; they need a force in the lineup. They need to spend their money on someone like Carlos Delgado, the Toronto star who a year ago drove in 145 runs, his sixth straight season with more than 100 runs batted in."
• Oregonian: "The good news is the Mariners have enough minor league talent and tradable veterans to make this summer productive. This team could rebuild quickly if it is willing to play the younger guys and not let sentiment get in the way of trading veterans such as starter Jamie Moyer or second baseman Brett Boone."
• St. Louis Post-Dispatch: "The Cardinals are known to have interest in upgrading themselves in left field, second base and the bullpen. Second baseman Bret Boone is an intriguing option at second base but carries an $8 million option."
• Newsday: "The Mariners and Padres are discussing a deal that would send righthander Gil Meche to San Diego in return for outfielder Xavier Nady ..."
• Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel: "Outfielder Jeremy Reed won't take long to reach Seattle and could make center fielder Randy Winn expendable by the trade deadline."
• Baltimore Sun: "The Orioles are believed to be making a push to acquire unhappy Anaheim Angels starting pitcher Ramon Ortíz, but the price apparently isn't going down just because Ortíz asked out of the organization after he was moved to the bullpen recently."
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Today's rumors:
• San Francisco Chronicle: "It would make sense to move Arthur Rhodes to a team — such as the Yankees or Red Sox — that could absorb his salary . The A's can't because he's being paid to be a closer, which he has proved he can't do."
• Boston Herald: "Nomar Garciaparra's days with the Red Sox could be numbered if a report out of Florida is accurate. According to the Sun-Sentinel, of Fort Lauderdale, the Florida Marlins are "weighing the merits'' of acquiring Garciaparra from the Sox, possibly in exchange for All-Star shortstop Alex González."
• Providence Journal: "The Sun-Sentinel reported yesterday that the Florida Marlins, seeking more offensive help, are having an internal debate about approaching the Red Sox regarding a potential trade for Nomar Garciaparra."
• Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel: "While the cost of dealing for Boston's Nomar Garciaparra might be prohibitive, a number of other offensive options have piqued the Marlins' interest as the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline approaches. Among them are outfielders Frank Catalanotto (Toronto), Danny Bautista (Arizona) and Jeromy Burnitz (Colorado); utility man Rob Mackowiak (Pittsburgh); and catchers Gregg Zaun (Toronto), Brent Mayne (Arizona) and Dan Wilson (Seattle)."
• New York Daily News: "What does it say about Randy Johnson that he'd apparently rather spend his summers in Arizona, working for a wilting team in heat so oppressive emergency rooms are often filled with drivers who have burned themselves after touching their car steering wheel? A more pertinent question: what does it say about the Yankees that they are having such trouble wooing Johnson?"
• Chicago Sun-Times: "Colorado Rockies closer Shawn Chacon is one of the relievers the Cubs are scouting this month as they try to decide whether to add to their bullpen. ... The Cubs would have an interest in shortstop Orlando Cabrera if the Montreal Expos are willing to discuss a trade. Rumor has it that Cabrera is available for the right price. But Expos general manager Omar Minaya could make it impossible by asking too much in return."
• San Jose Mercury News: "As the July 31 trade deadline draws closer, the Giants are on the lookout for pitchers, and one who might be on the trading block is Colorado's Shawn Estes."
• Contra Costa Times: "The Seattle Mariners are shopping shortstop Rich Aurilia, and are believed to have contacted the Giants about him, according to a person familiar with both teams."
• Houston Chronicle: "Based on what they're telling me, they put this team [Astros] together for a one-year run and are going to see it through. If they're 12 games out at the July 31 trading deadline, I'm guessing they would try to trade Carlos Beltran and ask Jeff Kent to waive his no-trade clause."
• Arizona Republic: "Luis Gonzalez's decision to have surgery on his torn ligament in his right throwing elbow before the end of the season will depend on how fellow outfielders Steve Finley and Danny Bautista are impacted by potential trades as well as whether the team recovers from its disastrous first half."
• San Francisco Chronicle: "It would make sense to move Arthur Rhodes to a team — such as the Yankees or Red Sox — that could absorb his salary . The A's can't because he's being paid to be a closer, which he has proved he can't do."
• Boston Herald: "Nomar Garciaparra's days with the Red Sox could be numbered if a report out of Florida is accurate. According to the Sun-Sentinel, of Fort Lauderdale, the Florida Marlins are "weighing the merits'' of acquiring Garciaparra from the Sox, possibly in exchange for All-Star shortstop Alex González."
• Providence Journal: "The Sun-Sentinel reported yesterday that the Florida Marlins, seeking more offensive help, are having an internal debate about approaching the Red Sox regarding a potential trade for Nomar Garciaparra."
• Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel: "While the cost of dealing for Boston's Nomar Garciaparra might be prohibitive, a number of other offensive options have piqued the Marlins' interest as the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline approaches. Among them are outfielders Frank Catalanotto (Toronto), Danny Bautista (Arizona) and Jeromy Burnitz (Colorado); utility man Rob Mackowiak (Pittsburgh); and catchers Gregg Zaun (Toronto), Brent Mayne (Arizona) and Dan Wilson (Seattle)."
• New York Daily News: "What does it say about Randy Johnson that he'd apparently rather spend his summers in Arizona, working for a wilting team in heat so oppressive emergency rooms are often filled with drivers who have burned themselves after touching their car steering wheel? A more pertinent question: what does it say about the Yankees that they are having such trouble wooing Johnson?"
• Chicago Sun-Times: "Colorado Rockies closer Shawn Chacon is one of the relievers the Cubs are scouting this month as they try to decide whether to add to their bullpen. ... The Cubs would have an interest in shortstop Orlando Cabrera if the Montreal Expos are willing to discuss a trade. Rumor has it that Cabrera is available for the right price. But Expos general manager Omar Minaya could make it impossible by asking too much in return."
• San Jose Mercury News: "As the July 31 trade deadline draws closer, the Giants are on the lookout for pitchers, and one who might be on the trading block is Colorado's Shawn Estes."
• Contra Costa Times: "The Seattle Mariners are shopping shortstop Rich Aurilia, and are believed to have contacted the Giants about him, according to a person familiar with both teams."
• Houston Chronicle: "Based on what they're telling me, they put this team [Astros] together for a one-year run and are going to see it through. If they're 12 games out at the July 31 trading deadline, I'm guessing they would try to trade Carlos Beltran and ask Jeff Kent to waive his no-trade clause."
• Arizona Republic: "Luis Gonzalez's decision to have surgery on his torn ligament in his right throwing elbow before the end of the season will depend on how fellow outfielders Steve Finley and Danny Bautista are impacted by potential trades as well as whether the team recovers from its disastrous first half."
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New York Daily News: "What does it say about Randy Johnson that he'd apparently rather spend his summers in Arizona, working for a wilting team in heat so oppressive emergency rooms are often filled with drivers who have burned themselves after touching their car steering wheel? A more pertinent question: what does it say about the Yankees that they are having such trouble wooing Johnson?"
This is why I hate New York.
MAybe RJ just cares enough about his family that he doesn't drag them all over creation trying to glorify himself.
The only thing I really enjoy bout the Dbacks lately is watching Johnson's starts. Take that away and I'll have to take up painting by numbers.
This is why I hate New York.
MAybe RJ just cares enough about his family that he doesn't drag them all over creation trying to glorify himself.
The only thing I really enjoy bout the Dbacks lately is watching Johnson's starts. Take that away and I'll have to take up painting by numbers.
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Over at SoSH they're mentioning that Gordon Edes just reported that the Sox received permission to talk to Randy Johnson. However, Theo and RJ's agent both deny it. Edes reported this on the Red Sox pregame show and he said he is sticking to it.
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Good. I'd rather be talking to Beantown than the Yankees anyway. Not because of my hatred of the Yankees but rather Boston has the better prospects. Except they have no pitchers worth a crap. Youkilis and Shoppach will be pretty good though. Anaheim will give us the best deal for RJ though.
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Realisitically, the only way Boston or NY could trade for Randy Johnson is in a 3 way trade. Their farm systems have been sucked dry.
Both have a decent starter we could trade for (Lowe for Boston and Contreras(sp?) for NY). However after that both teams have nothing of great value in their farm systems.
My guess is if RJ goes anywhere it will be to the Angels
I guess I'm hesistant on trading Johnson since the Dbacks still need someone to anchor the rotation by guaranteeing them a quality start every 5th day..... Who is ready in the Minors to replace Randy at the moment? Also, having a rookie to fill the void in the rotation (who would be regulated on a strict pitch count) doesn't help remedy an already depleted bullpen.....
And if they do engineer a trade involving Johnson....I give a resounding no if the Red Sox are involved.....The Dbacks helped deplete the Red Sox's farm system in the Schilling deal (obviously getting damaged goods in exchange)....
Youkilis is an intriguing prospect, but the Dbacks essentially already have him in the form of Chad Tracy....
If the Angels are willing to part with Bootcheck, Kotchman, McPherson, Mathis (since they're in desperate need for stability at catcher), or Ervin Santana...then the Dbacks should immediately pursue it.....Although...I highly doubt that the Angels would be willing to yield 2 out of those prospects I mentioned.........
And if they do engineer a trade involving Johnson....I give a resounding no if the Red Sox are involved.....The Dbacks helped deplete the Red Sox's farm system in the Schilling deal (obviously getting damaged goods in exchange)....
Youkilis is an intriguing prospect, but the Dbacks essentially already have him in the form of Chad Tracy....
If the Angels are willing to part with Bootcheck, Kotchman, McPherson, Mathis (since they're in desperate need for stability at catcher), or Ervin Santana...then the Dbacks should immediately pursue it.....Although...I highly doubt that the Angels would be willing to yield 2 out of those prospects I mentioned.........
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If I was Anaheim I'd offer Ramon Ortiz, Jeff DaVanon, and Casey Kotchman for RJ and go from there. If I was the DBacks I'd ask for Dallas McPherson and Lackey but would settle with MacPherson and Ortiz. Yeah, McPherson is that good but I doubt the Halos give him up. Most likely deal would be DaVanon, Ortiz, and Ervin Santana, which is a very good deal for both teams.
Check out McPherson owning RJ in Double AA here.
http://www.futureangels.com/video/macvsrj.ram
I'm in San Diego right now and people down here are pretty much positive Finley will be a Padre after the All-Star break. Hopefully (doubtfully), it's for Nady or Tankersley. More likely it's Payton and a prospect.
Check out McPherson owning RJ in Double AA here.
http://www.futureangels.com/video/macvsrj.ram
I'm in San Diego right now and people down here are pretty much positive Finley will be a Padre after the All-Star break. Hopefully (doubtfully), it's for Nady or Tankersley. More likely it's Payton and a prospect.
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LOWE!?! CONTRERAS!?! Decent pitchers? Who are you - GM Joe?? Good Lord - more mediocre pitchers from the Gallery of the Overrated.
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AZZenny said:
If the Yanks are going to throw in some cash to help pay his contract I'd take Contreras and his >100 mph fastball. Lowe's ERA is around 4.00 with a decent defense in the NL. Both are not worth trading for different reasons. Contreras is overpaid and Lowe is a FA at the end of the season.
All conversations with Boston need to start with Youkilis, Shoppach, and a AA-level prospect pitcher. Santos/Drew will be switched to 1B with Youkilis/Tracy winning 3B although Youkilis will inevitably win. Either can be switched to first in the meantime also. Hammock is clearly not the answer everyday at C so Shoppach is a good fit. If this happens though a pitcher must be had for Fins with Richie Strikeout getting lost and a FA picther taking his place.
EDIT - It's too bad we have Garagiola and Colangelo manufacturing a Johnson deal. It's inevitable they screw it up. My guess is we can say hello to Johnny Damon and Ramiro Mendoza.
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The Yankees are throwing out their last duo of prospects trying to land a starting pitcher: Dioner Navarro and Robinson Cano
I really hope Randy goes to Anaheim... maybe there will be a bidding war and somebody will over pay. Hell, the Red Sox have competition for the Wild Card at this point, they are far from a lock
I really hope Randy goes to Anaheim... maybe there will be a bidding war and somebody will over pay. Hell, the Red Sox have competition for the Wild Card at this point, they are far from a lock
Mao...I've noticed that you're an avid fan of the Angels...so you more than likely have better insight than me regarding their prospects..... The question I have is...does Kotchman have a lot of upside? I know he's highly touted and such, however, judging from his stats (sometimes stats are skewed), he seems to be more of a line-drive hitter....Probably in the mold of Lyle Overbay.... Is that an accurate assessment?
The reason why I'm intrigued by him is because even if Sexson does return back to the Dbacks next season, they still lack anyother 1B prospects (especially contigency plans if Sexson sustains another injury next season).....
I did mention awhile back about the prospects of Santos being converted into a 1B (especially due to his height), but he's still about 2-3 years away, and the transition to another position might delay his development further..... Also, the Dbacks must still sign Drew and I'm wondering how close they are......
Hillenbrand more than likely will be traded since he's probably going to insist on a long-term contract and I dont think the Dbacks have any designs on retaining him beyond this season.......
DaVanon is almost past 31 and has never reached his full potential, and time is running out on him...... I agree about Lackey, but the Angels more than likely wouldnt want to trade him any time soon.... Ortiz is also 31 and probably only has 2-3 years left until he begins to lose more velocity....
I guess I want nothing but prospects who are 21-25 year-old range (who are obviously Major League ready, but still possess long-term value) in exchange for Randy.....
If the Dbacks are intelligent, they make certain that Randy isnt involved in their 1st trade.....I would trade either Bautista (hope his injury isnt that severe), Finley, Hillenbrand first to see which positions they upgrade through those deals...which would give the Dbacks better leverage/bargaining power when it comes to trading Randy (if this indeed all happens)....
Also, I'd say no to Contreras since he's 32 and still deals and is injury-prone... Dont want to replicate the Fossum, Lyons, or Nance fiasco..... Also, Lowe's been struggling between belief this year and has absolutely nothing to go but down......
I wonder if the Mariners would be interested in Johnson (and if Johnson would be willing to accept a trade there) since they're the team with probably the best upper prospects.......
The reason why I'm intrigued by him is because even if Sexson does return back to the Dbacks next season, they still lack anyother 1B prospects (especially contigency plans if Sexson sustains another injury next season).....
I did mention awhile back about the prospects of Santos being converted into a 1B (especially due to his height), but he's still about 2-3 years away, and the transition to another position might delay his development further..... Also, the Dbacks must still sign Drew and I'm wondering how close they are......
Hillenbrand more than likely will be traded since he's probably going to insist on a long-term contract and I dont think the Dbacks have any designs on retaining him beyond this season.......
DaVanon is almost past 31 and has never reached his full potential, and time is running out on him...... I agree about Lackey, but the Angels more than likely wouldnt want to trade him any time soon.... Ortiz is also 31 and probably only has 2-3 years left until he begins to lose more velocity....
I guess I want nothing but prospects who are 21-25 year-old range (who are obviously Major League ready, but still possess long-term value) in exchange for Randy.....
If the Dbacks are intelligent, they make certain that Randy isnt involved in their 1st trade.....I would trade either Bautista (hope his injury isnt that severe), Finley, Hillenbrand first to see which positions they upgrade through those deals...which would give the Dbacks better leverage/bargaining power when it comes to trading Randy (if this indeed all happens)....
Also, I'd say no to Contreras since he's 32 and still deals and is injury-prone... Dont want to replicate the Fossum, Lyons, or Nance fiasco..... Also, Lowe's been struggling between belief this year and has absolutely nothing to go but down......
I wonder if the Mariners would be interested in Johnson (and if Johnson would be willing to accept a trade there) since they're the team with probably the best upper prospects.......
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This article featured an interesting trade proposal....
http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=34825
Sox ready for Randy: Sources: Club's sights set squarely on Johnson
By Tony Massarotti/ Baseball
Thursday, July 8, 2004As we learned from the Alex Rodriguez saga, what you want and what you get are two entirely different things. But as the July 31 trading deadline approaches, the Red Sox [stats, schedule] are among a handful of teams paying very close attention to the crown jewel of this dealing season.
His name is Randy Johnson.
Over the past few days, baseball sources have indicated that the Sox are among a handful of teams intent on making a serious pitch for Johnson if and when he is traded from the Arizona Diamondbacks. Other teams are believed to include the Anaheim Angels and, of course, the New York Yankees [stats, schedule], each of whom may have advantages over the Sox in a potential bidding war.
Sox officials declined to answer any questions on Johnson, citing Major League Baseball's rules on tampering.
For the Sox, the obvious appeal for Johnson would be in joining a Red Sox staff that already features Pedro Martinez [stats, news] and Curt Schilling [stats, news], the latter of whom teamed up with Johnson to deliver the 2001 World Series to Arizona. A rotation of Johnson, Schilling and Martinez would give the Red Sox one the great threesomes in baseball history, even with each man no longer in the prime of his career.
Can it be done? Perhaps, though there are obvious obstacles to the deal. While the Diamondbacks thus far have given no indication that they will trade the 40-year-old Johnson, who is signed through next season, the pitcher has the right to block any trade. One of the primary reasons Johnson signed with the Diamondbacks prior to the 1999 season is because he wanted to stay in the Southwest, where he makes his offseason home.
That said, sources familiar with Johnson indicated the 6-foot-10, 231-pound left-hander might be more inclined to go to Anaheim because he already owns a home in nearby Newport Beach. The Yankees have the obvious advantage of a virtually unlimited cash supply, which could be of value if the Yankees had to absorb a contract in order to land Johnson.
As for the Sox, they have more prospects than the Yankees. The Diamondbacks are reportedly seeking prospects at pitcher and catcher, the latter of which could be filled by Kelly Shoppach at Triple-A Pawtucket. The Sox also might be inclined to send Arizona someone like Double-A pitcher Abe Alvarez.
But the Sox would have other obstacles, too.
Currently in the first year of a two-year, $33 million contract extension that he signed prior to last season, Johnson is being paid $16.5 million this year and is due an additional $16.5 million in 2005. Because the Sox do not have the financial freedom of a team like the Yankees - who does? - obtaining Johnson might require the team to move a contract this season while simultaneously prohibiting the club from retaining one or more of its key free agents after this season.
One possible scenario might involve the Sox trading Nomar Garciaparra [stats, news] for prospects, who would then be dealt to the Diamondbacks for Johnson in a three-team deal. The Sox could then play Pokey Reese [stats, news] at shortstop and Mark Bellhorn [stats, news] at second base, though they would sacrifice the offense of Garciaparra.
But given the talents of Johnson, not to mention the continued struggles of Derek Lowe [stats, news], the Sox would benefit from a huge upgrade on the pitching staff. The possessor of a career 240-120 record (a winning percentage of .667), Johnson is 10-6 with a 2.90 ERA and major league-leading 139 strikeouts this season. Johnson, who turns 41 on Sept. 10, recently became just the fourth player in major league history to eclipse 4,000 career strikeouts, joining Nolan Ryan, Steve Carlton and Roger Clemens, and threw a perfect game against the Atlanta Braves [stats, schedule] earlier this season.
The Big Unit in Boston?
It may be a longshot.
But as this Red Sox administration demonstrated in its pursuit of A-Rod, team officials are unafraid of aiming high and thinking big.
http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=34825
Sox ready for Randy: Sources: Club's sights set squarely on Johnson
By Tony Massarotti/ Baseball
Thursday, July 8, 2004As we learned from the Alex Rodriguez saga, what you want and what you get are two entirely different things. But as the July 31 trading deadline approaches, the Red Sox [stats, schedule] are among a handful of teams paying very close attention to the crown jewel of this dealing season.
His name is Randy Johnson.
Over the past few days, baseball sources have indicated that the Sox are among a handful of teams intent on making a serious pitch for Johnson if and when he is traded from the Arizona Diamondbacks. Other teams are believed to include the Anaheim Angels and, of course, the New York Yankees [stats, schedule], each of whom may have advantages over the Sox in a potential bidding war.
Sox officials declined to answer any questions on Johnson, citing Major League Baseball's rules on tampering.
For the Sox, the obvious appeal for Johnson would be in joining a Red Sox staff that already features Pedro Martinez [stats, news] and Curt Schilling [stats, news], the latter of whom teamed up with Johnson to deliver the 2001 World Series to Arizona. A rotation of Johnson, Schilling and Martinez would give the Red Sox one the great threesomes in baseball history, even with each man no longer in the prime of his career.
Can it be done? Perhaps, though there are obvious obstacles to the deal. While the Diamondbacks thus far have given no indication that they will trade the 40-year-old Johnson, who is signed through next season, the pitcher has the right to block any trade. One of the primary reasons Johnson signed with the Diamondbacks prior to the 1999 season is because he wanted to stay in the Southwest, where he makes his offseason home.
That said, sources familiar with Johnson indicated the 6-foot-10, 231-pound left-hander might be more inclined to go to Anaheim because he already owns a home in nearby Newport Beach. The Yankees have the obvious advantage of a virtually unlimited cash supply, which could be of value if the Yankees had to absorb a contract in order to land Johnson.
As for the Sox, they have more prospects than the Yankees. The Diamondbacks are reportedly seeking prospects at pitcher and catcher, the latter of which could be filled by Kelly Shoppach at Triple-A Pawtucket. The Sox also might be inclined to send Arizona someone like Double-A pitcher Abe Alvarez.
But the Sox would have other obstacles, too.
Currently in the first year of a two-year, $33 million contract extension that he signed prior to last season, Johnson is being paid $16.5 million this year and is due an additional $16.5 million in 2005. Because the Sox do not have the financial freedom of a team like the Yankees - who does? - obtaining Johnson might require the team to move a contract this season while simultaneously prohibiting the club from retaining one or more of its key free agents after this season.
One possible scenario might involve the Sox trading Nomar Garciaparra [stats, news] for prospects, who would then be dealt to the Diamondbacks for Johnson in a three-team deal. The Sox could then play Pokey Reese [stats, news] at shortstop and Mark Bellhorn [stats, news] at second base, though they would sacrifice the offense of Garciaparra.
But given the talents of Johnson, not to mention the continued struggles of Derek Lowe [stats, news], the Sox would benefit from a huge upgrade on the pitching staff. The possessor of a career 240-120 record (a winning percentage of .667), Johnson is 10-6 with a 2.90 ERA and major league-leading 139 strikeouts this season. Johnson, who turns 41 on Sept. 10, recently became just the fourth player in major league history to eclipse 4,000 career strikeouts, joining Nolan Ryan, Steve Carlton and Roger Clemens, and threw a perfect game against the Atlanta Braves [stats, schedule] earlier this season.
The Big Unit in Boston?
It may be a longshot.
But as this Red Sox administration demonstrated in its pursuit of A-Rod, team officials are unafraid of aiming high and thinking big.
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Yes I love the Halos and have since I was a kid growing up in Orange County. 2002 sure as hell made up for a lot of very bad times, trust me. It's weird being a fan of the DBacks and seeing how spoiled many of the fans are to have this team. Although I love having Moreno as the owner because he is sure as hell better than Disney, nothing beats the Autrys and the family atmosphere during that time. But I'm not here to talk about the Halos so I'll move on and discuss the DBacks, who will be back if everyone has a little patience. Many fans here don't see the big picture, but the reality is trading Johnson will only help in rebuilding this team. Whether it be the Angels, Yankees, Red Sox, or whoever Garagiola needs to seek out the best deal to reload this team. I think it's pathetic how many reports have the DBacks refusing to give Johnson to NY. If Cashman can give them a great deal in a three-way, Garagiola needs to pounce on itif RJ is willing.
But on to Kotchman. Basically if he's healthy Casey is twice the prospect Overbay was. His plate discipline is unheard of for a player his age (even with an organzation that doesn't stress walks), his defense is solid, and his power is coming along for a player his age better than Overbay's. His achilles heal is health though. There's injuries left and right since he got to the minors which has hampered his production. So he's basically it's a risk-reward type thing, but it's a very big reward if he stays healthy.
I bring up DaVanon because I don't think Stoneman is going to give up Figgins and the DBacks are seriously in need of a leadoff hitter. Still if you plug DaVanon in CF he'll be your leadoff for at least the next five years. Ortiz is small and will start breaking down at some point due to delivery and mechanics but he's got at least 3-5 years of around 4.00 ERA left in him. Kotchman would obviously be the key of the deal but we'll see what Garagiola thinks about him. I seriously doubt McPherson goes anywhere as Stoneman, unlike Garagiola, has never been the type to mortgage the future for one player.
I agree AZ would be smart to make Randy their last deal. The closer the deadline gets and the closer the AL races get, the more value RJ has. Let's hope we can get some value for Finley. Bautista and Hillenbrand are basically going to merit a couple mediocre AA players. So fill in from there with the RJ deal and the future is set with a couple solid drafts and some development. If RJ is going back east, hopefully Garagiola learns from the Schilling trade and essentially sics Boston and Steinbrenner on each other. Boston is loading up for October 2004 only and Steinbrenner would give up anything not to see that happen. If RJ only will go to Anaheim, then there's obviously plenty of scenarios there as well. San Diego/LA/SF/Philly also should not be ignored as they have some young talent although it's doubtful they want to pay Randy $16 mil in 2005.
Of course only time will tell if:
a) RJ even wants to go anywhere
b) Garagiola is smart enough to seek a decent trade
c) Colangelo puts his massive undeserved ego aside and trades away his future HOFer for the overall benefit of his team
Yes I love the Halos and have since I was a kid growing up in Orange County. 2002 sure as hell made up for a lot of very bad times, trust me. It's weird being a fan of the DBacks and seeing how spoiled many of the fans are to have this team. Although I love having Moreno as the owner because he is sure as hell better than Disney, nothing beats the Autrys and the family atmosphere during that time. But I'm not here to talk about the Halos so I'll move on and discuss the DBacks, who will be back if everyone has a little patience. Many fans here don't see the big picture, but the reality is trading Johnson will only help in rebuilding this team. Whether it be the Angels, Yankees, Red Sox, or whoever Garagiola needs to seek out the best deal to reload this team. I think it's pathetic how many reports have the DBacks refusing to give Johnson to NY. If Cashman can give them a great deal in a three-way, Garagiola needs to pounce on itif RJ is willing.
But on to Kotchman. Basically if he's healthy Casey is twice the prospect Overbay was. His plate discipline is unheard of for a player his age (even with an organzation that doesn't stress walks), his defense is solid, and his power is coming along for a player his age better than Overbay's. His achilles heal is health though. There's injuries left and right since he got to the minors which has hampered his production. So he's basically it's a risk-reward type thing, but it's a very big reward if he stays healthy.
I bring up DaVanon because I don't think Stoneman is going to give up Figgins and the DBacks are seriously in need of a leadoff hitter. Still if you plug DaVanon in CF he'll be your leadoff for at least the next five years. Ortiz is small and will start breaking down at some point due to delivery and mechanics but he's got at least 3-5 years of around 4.00 ERA left in him. Kotchman would obviously be the key of the deal but we'll see what Garagiola thinks about him. I seriously doubt McPherson goes anywhere as Stoneman, unlike Garagiola, has never been the type to mortgage the future for one player.
I agree AZ would be smart to make Randy their last deal. The closer the deadline gets and the closer the AL races get, the more value RJ has. Let's hope we can get some value for Finley. Bautista and Hillenbrand are basically going to merit a couple mediocre AA players. So fill in from there with the RJ deal and the future is set with a couple solid drafts and some development. If RJ is going back east, hopefully Garagiola learns from the Schilling trade and essentially sics Boston and Steinbrenner on each other. Boston is loading up for October 2004 only and Steinbrenner would give up anything not to see that happen. If RJ only will go to Anaheim, then there's obviously plenty of scenarios there as well. San Diego/LA/SF/Philly also should not be ignored as they have some young talent although it's doubtful they want to pay Randy $16 mil in 2005.
Of course only time will tell if:
a) RJ even wants to go anywhere
b) Garagiola is smart enough to seek a decent trade
c) Colangelo puts his massive undeserved ego aside and trades away his future HOFer for the overall benefit of his team
Thanks for your response Mao....I'll definitely respond to it tomorrow......
I thought of a potential trade proposal, however, it might be far-fetched......
The article I posted above mentioned that the Red Sox would want to deal Garciaparra and I read on ESPN Insider how the Marlins have an interest in him....
The Detroit Tigers made an excellent trade a couple years-ago involving their ace at the time, Jeff Weaver (obviously Johnson is much better than him)... Anyways, the Tigers traded Weaver to the Oakland As for Carlos Pena, Jeremy Bonderman, and Franklyn German, and then the As turned around and traded Weaver to the Yankees for Ted Lilly, Jason Arnold, and John-Ford Griffin....
Anyways, the Marlins definitely have one of the top-5 Farm Systems in all of baseball and are stocked with younger talent on their parent team (so essentially their prospects are wasting away while awaiting their opportunity)....
This is a tentative trade idea of mine........ The Dbacks trade Johnson to the Marlins for one of the prospects mentioned in this link.... http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0404/136831.html (perhaps a 1B, OF, and a starter)....then the Marlins trade Johnson (with probably a few other prospects of theirs) in exchange for Garciaparra......
I believe that all parties involved would benefit from this trade, but I dont know if the Marlins would be willing to give Garciaparra a contract beyond this season...so that could be the only "stumbling" block......
I thought of a potential trade proposal, however, it might be far-fetched......
The article I posted above mentioned that the Red Sox would want to deal Garciaparra and I read on ESPN Insider how the Marlins have an interest in him....
The Detroit Tigers made an excellent trade a couple years-ago involving their ace at the time, Jeff Weaver (obviously Johnson is much better than him)... Anyways, the Tigers traded Weaver to the Oakland As for Carlos Pena, Jeremy Bonderman, and Franklyn German, and then the As turned around and traded Weaver to the Yankees for Ted Lilly, Jason Arnold, and John-Ford Griffin....
Anyways, the Marlins definitely have one of the top-5 Farm Systems in all of baseball and are stocked with younger talent on their parent team (so essentially their prospects are wasting away while awaiting their opportunity)....
This is a tentative trade idea of mine........ The Dbacks trade Johnson to the Marlins for one of the prospects mentioned in this link.... http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0404/136831.html (perhaps a 1B, OF, and a starter)....then the Marlins trade Johnson (with probably a few other prospects of theirs) in exchange for Garciaparra......
I believe that all parties involved would benefit from this trade, but I dont know if the Marlins would be willing to give Garciaparra a contract beyond this season...so that could be the only "stumbling" block......
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The Boston Globe reports in its "The Buzz" section:
• Asked if Randy Johnson had a reason to veto a deal to Boston, his agent Alan Nero said, "None that I'm aware of."
• The A's have said Barry Zito — who was hit hard in Boston on Tuesday and sports an ERA above five — isn't available, but ESPN's Peter Gammons thinks that could change if someone came to the A's with the right deal.
• On Wednesday morning's SportsCenter, ESPN's Peter Gammons said he didn't think Nomar Garciaparra would ultimately be dealt before the July 31 trade deadline. Gammons also said that Sox GM Theo Epstein went to Atlanta this past weekend and talked to Nomar to try to ease his discontent with the team.
• Another interesting tidbit found in the Metro West Daily News: Apparently, Dodgers scouts were at Fenway on Tuesday night checking out Nomar.
• Chicago Tribune: "On a day in which the White Sox signed newly acquired Freddy Garcia to a three-year contract extension worth $27 million, injured right fielder Magglio Ordoñez said talks for a new contract for him have stopped. Whether talks have stopped for a day, a week, a month or forever isn't clear."
• Chicago Sun-Times: "One Venezuelan star down, one more to go as the White Sox try to find a way to retain Magglio Ordoñez just like they did with Freddy Garcia. Despite reports that the Sox would be unable to afford both Ordoñez and Garcia for next season, general manager Ken Williams said otherwise Tuesday."
• Daily Herald: "When the White Sox announced the signing of starting pitcher Freddy Garcia to a three-year, $27 million contract extension Tuesday, there was an immediate ripple effect. One of the obvious questions was: Is there any money left for Magglio Ordoñez?"
• Newsday: "George Steinbrenner sent his transistor love note to Randy Johnson via Sporting News Radio. Now all that's left is to wait, hope and pray that a phone call comes soon from Joe Garagiola Jr., Jerry Colangelo, Al Pedrique, John McCain, the Big Unit himself, Mrs. Unit, or anyone else in the 602 area code telling the Yankees they are now eligible to do the deal to make World Series title No. 27 a foregone conclusion."
• New York Daily News: "As for other pitching options, such as a trade, Yankees GM Brian Cashman said he doesn't 'have anything right now I could do.' Cashman said he has not talked to Arizona about Randy Johnson and added that he would expect the Diamondbacks to call if they decided to trade Johnson and got the lefthander's approval for a deal. Johnson has a no-trade clause."
• The Boston Globe: "The agent for Diamondbacks lefthander Randy Johnson said there are no pre-trade wish lists for the coveted pitcher. 'The team has not gone to Randy, nor has Randy gone to the team with any trade scenario,' agent Alan Nero said."
• New York Post: "The Yankees are monitoring what the Diamondbacks do with switch-hitting second baseman Roberto Alomar, according to industry sources."
• Kansas City Star: "How funny, and how fantastically clever, would it be if this whole Carlos Beltran trade was simply an elaborate ploy designed by the Royals, Beltran and agent Scott Boras to help the Royals become more competitive?"
• New York Post: "The Mets are interested in Pittsburgh RHP Kris Benson and Anaheim RHP Ramon Ortiz. But the cost remains prohibitively high ... The Mets obviously would have interest in Arizona's Randy Johnson, but industry sources say the Diamondbacks are not inclined to move him."
• Baltimore Sun: "According to major league sources, multiple teams have told the Orioles they would be interested in acquiring Sidney Ponson this season, even though he's having a disappointing year and still has two years remaining on this contract."
• Toronto Sun: "The Minnesota Twins, who led the American League Central Division heading into last night, are looking to counter the Chicago White Sox adding right-hander Freddie Garcia from the Seattle Mariners by obtaining a starter of their own. Their first choice is Kris Benson of the Pittsburgh Pirates and their second choice is Blue Jays right-hander Miguel Batista."
• The Dallas Morning News: "Director of baseball operations Jon Daniels said the Rangers could have some interest in Cleveland reliever José Jimenez, who was designated for assignment to make room on the roster for Bob Wickman."
• Fort Worth Star-Telegram: "The Indians have designated reliever José Jimenez for assignment and activated reliever Bob Wickman. The Rangers might have some interest in Jimenez if he clears waivers."
• Cleveland Plain Dealer: "Relievers José Jimenez and Scott Stewart are gone, but they could resurface. They've been designated for assignment, which means the Indians have 10 days to trade, release or get them through waivers ... Texas, reportedly, is interested in Jimenez."
• Asked if Randy Johnson had a reason to veto a deal to Boston, his agent Alan Nero said, "None that I'm aware of."
• The A's have said Barry Zito — who was hit hard in Boston on Tuesday and sports an ERA above five — isn't available, but ESPN's Peter Gammons thinks that could change if someone came to the A's with the right deal.
• On Wednesday morning's SportsCenter, ESPN's Peter Gammons said he didn't think Nomar Garciaparra would ultimately be dealt before the July 31 trade deadline. Gammons also said that Sox GM Theo Epstein went to Atlanta this past weekend and talked to Nomar to try to ease his discontent with the team.
• Another interesting tidbit found in the Metro West Daily News: Apparently, Dodgers scouts were at Fenway on Tuesday night checking out Nomar.
• Chicago Tribune: "On a day in which the White Sox signed newly acquired Freddy Garcia to a three-year contract extension worth $27 million, injured right fielder Magglio Ordoñez said talks for a new contract for him have stopped. Whether talks have stopped for a day, a week, a month or forever isn't clear."
• Chicago Sun-Times: "One Venezuelan star down, one more to go as the White Sox try to find a way to retain Magglio Ordoñez just like they did with Freddy Garcia. Despite reports that the Sox would be unable to afford both Ordoñez and Garcia for next season, general manager Ken Williams said otherwise Tuesday."
• Daily Herald: "When the White Sox announced the signing of starting pitcher Freddy Garcia to a three-year, $27 million contract extension Tuesday, there was an immediate ripple effect. One of the obvious questions was: Is there any money left for Magglio Ordoñez?"
• Newsday: "George Steinbrenner sent his transistor love note to Randy Johnson via Sporting News Radio. Now all that's left is to wait, hope and pray that a phone call comes soon from Joe Garagiola Jr., Jerry Colangelo, Al Pedrique, John McCain, the Big Unit himself, Mrs. Unit, or anyone else in the 602 area code telling the Yankees they are now eligible to do the deal to make World Series title No. 27 a foregone conclusion."
• New York Daily News: "As for other pitching options, such as a trade, Yankees GM Brian Cashman said he doesn't 'have anything right now I could do.' Cashman said he has not talked to Arizona about Randy Johnson and added that he would expect the Diamondbacks to call if they decided to trade Johnson and got the lefthander's approval for a deal. Johnson has a no-trade clause."
• The Boston Globe: "The agent for Diamondbacks lefthander Randy Johnson said there are no pre-trade wish lists for the coveted pitcher. 'The team has not gone to Randy, nor has Randy gone to the team with any trade scenario,' agent Alan Nero said."
• New York Post: "The Yankees are monitoring what the Diamondbacks do with switch-hitting second baseman Roberto Alomar, according to industry sources."
• Kansas City Star: "How funny, and how fantastically clever, would it be if this whole Carlos Beltran trade was simply an elaborate ploy designed by the Royals, Beltran and agent Scott Boras to help the Royals become more competitive?"
• New York Post: "The Mets are interested in Pittsburgh RHP Kris Benson and Anaheim RHP Ramon Ortiz. But the cost remains prohibitively high ... The Mets obviously would have interest in Arizona's Randy Johnson, but industry sources say the Diamondbacks are not inclined to move him."
• Baltimore Sun: "According to major league sources, multiple teams have told the Orioles they would be interested in acquiring Sidney Ponson this season, even though he's having a disappointing year and still has two years remaining on this contract."
• Toronto Sun: "The Minnesota Twins, who led the American League Central Division heading into last night, are looking to counter the Chicago White Sox adding right-hander Freddie Garcia from the Seattle Mariners by obtaining a starter of their own. Their first choice is Kris Benson of the Pittsburgh Pirates and their second choice is Blue Jays right-hander Miguel Batista."
• The Dallas Morning News: "Director of baseball operations Jon Daniels said the Rangers could have some interest in Cleveland reliever José Jimenez, who was designated for assignment to make room on the roster for Bob Wickman."
• Fort Worth Star-Telegram: "The Indians have designated reliever José Jimenez for assignment and activated reliever Bob Wickman. The Rangers might have some interest in Jimenez if he clears waivers."
• Cleveland Plain Dealer: "Relievers José Jimenez and Scott Stewart are gone, but they could resurface. They've been designated for assignment, which means the Indians have 10 days to trade, release or get them through waivers ... Texas, reportedly, is interested in Jimenez."
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I grew up in the Detroit area following/rooting for the Tigers (although, since I've become a die-hard Dbacks fan and no longer follow/root for the Tigers), so I remember watching the Tigers playing against the Angels very vividly.....Those veteran oriented teams of Reggie Jackson, Brian Downing, Bobby Grich, Doug Decinces, Don Sutton, Mike Witt, etc....Especially who I consider to be one of the most underrated and probably the best hitter of all-time, Rod Carew....Also, of course the emergence of Wally Joyner was incredible to watch (unfortunate he fell apart toward the end of his career)... Sorry to bring this up, but it seems like yesterday that I watched Dave Henderson's GW HR against the late Donnie Moore....Hard to believe it's been nearly 18-years since that happened......MaoTosiFanClub said:
Anyways, sorry to digress there......
I agree that us as Dbacks fans need to be patient since this will be the first rebuilding period they've embarked upon, which is why they better not deal any of their "2nd generation" "uber" prospects.....I just believe that they should have evaluated and begun that process after being swept in the '02 Wild Card Series against the Cardinals because they proved how much depth they lacked with Gonzalez and Bautista being injured, which forced them to play Mark Little and to approach Durazo to play RF....What baffled me is that the only major additions they made that offseason was Dessens and Baerga (yes, the Larry Walker deal full through)...and they kept several players who were essentially "washed-up" (Matt Williams and Mark Grace) and didnt project the future....Then they were clinging on the hope that Raul Mondesi would help lead them to the post-season (even if he had, they would have been ousted yet again in the 1st series)....Dellucci, Prinz, and Jon Sprowl (who were all packaged to the Yankees for Mondesi) are all replaceable, however, they might have been able to 'net someone of long-term value opposed to a "rent-a-player" who didnt help them achieve their objectives..... Then, the Dbacks sign Alomar (which I know was for another veteran presence), Sparks and Reynolds (both to make sure that they'd save some of their younger arms, but that obviously hasnt happened), and then acquire Choate, Colbrunn, Sadler, and Mayne if as though theyre that much closer to being a contender (yes I know on a limited budget), but they should have invested time/energy on younger players that would form some sort of a core.......Yes, those players I mentioned didnt cost much moneywise and they're "stop-gaps", but they should have focused on the long-term more than anything else and it appears they've finally come to that realization....If they dont trade Finley and Bautista, then I'd be awfully concerned because that would signify no intentions of rebuilding and keeping this mediocrity.......
From your assessment, Kotchman would be worth the risk/gamble..... He would be perfect to bat #3 and probably put Gonzalez in the 5th slot of the order...... I do like Youkilis also because he exhibits strong plate discipline and if indeed that's who the Red Sox are willing to part with for Randy, then perhaps Youkilis could be converted into a 1B.....MaoTosiFanClub said:
I believe that they Dbacks have several potential lead-off candidates in AA & AAA who will be ready by next year or even sooner....Terrero, Noochie Varner, and probably Marland Williams......I dont know what DaVanon's contract status is like and he'd probably command a long-term deal, which that money would be better vested in someone to help stabilize the Dbacks rotation.... Ortiz could possibly break-down sooner and I dont want a Fossum part. 2...... McPherson is the player that probably generated the most calls and I bet he's their only "untouchable" prospect.....MaoTosiFanClub said:
I would avoid trading Johnson to anyone w/in their division or even the NL for that matter since he may come back to haunt them (even let's say if the Dbacks are in Wild Card Contention by next season)....I still think my Dback/Marlin/Red Sox proposal (in my previous post) would be the best case scenario, however, I dont know if the Marlins would be willing to take on Garciaparra's contract...MaoTosiFanClub said:
a) I believe Randy might be willing to go for the "good of the team" and heMaoTosiFanClub said:
is the ultimate competitor with the burning desire to win at all cost... I
just dont know if he'd honestly contend with being part of a rebuilding
process....
b)Gargagiola Jr. knows now that his job is on the line with the next couple
moves he makes....The standard "MO" is.... fire the instructors (Murphy
this past offseason and Kniffin last week) the manager (obviously
Brenly)... He knows now that no 'scape remains (but the onus is now on
the players), so he must improve in how he bargains with these teams
instead of being taken advantage of.....He's held accountable and I dont
think Colangelo will allow him to destroy the organization.....If they
decide to keep Bautista and give him a multi-year contract based on
just one half of a season, then they all must be lynched....I wonder
what Gargagiola's contract status is anyways?
c) I believe Colangelo is willing to trade Randy now that the team may be
2-3 years away from returning back to the WS and by that time Randy
will have retired...All the money Randy earns will be allocated to sign
some decent FAs and retain some of the better Dback prospects for
long-term contracts......
It's just that the next 2-4 weeks will dictate the true direction of the Dbacks....Whether they seriously do have a valid long-term plan in place, or will constantly flounder in no true direction and obscurity.....
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• The Boston Globe: "But it is more than 'Internet BS,' to parrot a phrase, that la familia Schilling is not subject to any such prohibitions in regard to their contact with Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling's former teammate on the Arizona Diamondbacks (co-World Series MVPs in 2001), an occasional golf partner, and a neighbor just down the road in Paradise Valley, a sweet part of Scottsdale, Ariz. And yesterday, Major League Baseball fielded a request -- relayed indirectly from Shonda Schilling, Curt's wife — that her seats for Tuesday's All-Star Game be placed next to Lisa Johnson, Randy's wife. ... Word last night was that the MLB folks had yet to make up their minds about whether to accede to Shonda's request. ... Angels owner Arte Moreno used to own a part of the Diamondbacks, but when he tried to buy a majority piece, owner Jerry Colangelo balked, and Moreno bought the Angels instead. Gift-wrapping Johnson and sending him to Moreno now probably isn't high on Colangelo's list of priorities.
• Boston Herald: "How much should the Sox be willing to part with in order to bring the five-time Cy Young winner to Boston? Or rather, how far should the Sox go to make sure they get the Big Unit, as opposed to the Yankees? Or even, the Angels?"
• New York Daily News: "Very quietly, Randy Johnson has told the Arizona Diamondbacks that he would waive his no-trade clause in order to pitch out his final years for a contender, most preferably the Yankees, the Daily News has learned. And apparently, it is becoming a similar case with another 40-year-old future Hall of Famer — Roger Clemens — in Houston."
• Providence Journal: "Despite widespread speculation that Arizona Diamondbacks pitcher Randy Johnson would refuse to waive his no-trade clause and accept a deal to an East Coast-based team, several baseball sources familiar with Johnson's thinking say the All-Star's 'clear preference' is to be dealt to the New York Yankees."
• Newark Star-Ledger: "With the Boston Red Sox making noise about a pursuit of Diamondbacks left-hander Randy Johnson, the Yankees are on high alert ... Anaheim, Los Angeles and the Cubs are believed to be among the other teams interested."
• Los Angeles Times: "The Angels are believed to have had preliminary talks with the Diamondbacks to determine what it would take to acquire the five-time Cy Young Award winner should Randy Johnson become available."
• New York Daily News: "Even after José Contreras mostly dominated the Devil Rays in a 7-1 victory last night, a member of the Yankees' inner circle indicated that it may be too late for the righthander to save himself from being bumped out of the starting rotation in the coming weeks."
• Fort Worth Star-Telegram: "Randy Johnson is the big prize and there are rumors he wants off the Arizona Diamondbacks' sinking ship. The Yankees probably would have him by now if they had something to give, but their system is quite bare beyond Double A catcher Dioner Navarro."
• Newark Star-Ledger: "Although they may not even be aware of it yet, the Mets have moved a step closer to acquiring pitcher Kris Benson. The Mets had offered Ty Wigginton in recent weeks but were rebuffed. However, a baseball official who has spoken with Pirates general manager Dave Littlefield in the past few days said Littlefield has been asking about Wigginton and is starting to show serious interest."
• New York Daily News: "Tom Glavine called former Braves teammate Kevin Millwood last winter, trying to gauge his interest in signing with the Mets. This time, Glavine might recruit John Smoltz ... Glavine didn't mention which No.1 starter he was referring to, but it's rumored that Oakland's Barry Zito might become available. ... With Pittsburgh demanding too much for Kris Benson, Boston's Derek Lowe could be an alternative."
• New York Post: "Relievers who could be available? Baltimore's Jorge Julio and Buddy Groom and Seattle's Eddie Guardado. Other arms who could be available include Detroit's Ugueth Urbína, Montreal's Rocky Biddle and Kansas City's Curtis Leskanic, though the Mets are not interested in any of those three. Keep an eye also on Colorado's Shawn Chacon, if the Rockies end up moving him."
Umm ... Leskanic hasn't been with Kansas City for about week or so, Mr. Hale.
• Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: "No one doubts the Mets' sincerity when they say Wright is unavailable. But that could change. That's why Littlefield has been wise not to rush into trading Benson ... But what if that status changes as the month progresses? That's particularly true of teams expected to win, such as the Philadelphia Phillies, whose Class AA first baseman Ryan Howard is a prodigious power threat."
• Houston Chronicle: "After all, if the Astros remain well behind the division-leading Cardinals on say, July 25, and continue to lag behind in the wild-card race, then moving Carlos Beltran or asking Jeff Kent to waive his no-trade clause would be the only logical and fiscally responsible thing to do."
• Miami Herald: "Colorado, for example, would like to deal outfielder Larry Walker, a left-hander power hitter who would be a perfect short-term fit for the Marlins. But Walker has another year and more than $18 million remaining on his contract, and no amount of restructuring is likely to make work for both sides. A better trade prospect is Arizona outfielder Danny Bautista, a former Marlin and free-agent-to-be the Marlins count rent for about $2 million this summer."
• Philadelphia Inquirer: "Wade wasn't about to publicly discuss what he thinks the Phils need the most, although they certainly could use pitching ... Numerous trade rumors have involved the Phillies seeking a starting pitcher — Oakland's Barry Zito, St. Louis' Matt Morris or Pittsburgh's Kris Benson."
• Boston Herald: "How much should the Sox be willing to part with in order to bring the five-time Cy Young winner to Boston? Or rather, how far should the Sox go to make sure they get the Big Unit, as opposed to the Yankees? Or even, the Angels?"
• New York Daily News: "Very quietly, Randy Johnson has told the Arizona Diamondbacks that he would waive his no-trade clause in order to pitch out his final years for a contender, most preferably the Yankees, the Daily News has learned. And apparently, it is becoming a similar case with another 40-year-old future Hall of Famer — Roger Clemens — in Houston."
• Providence Journal: "Despite widespread speculation that Arizona Diamondbacks pitcher Randy Johnson would refuse to waive his no-trade clause and accept a deal to an East Coast-based team, several baseball sources familiar with Johnson's thinking say the All-Star's 'clear preference' is to be dealt to the New York Yankees."
• Newark Star-Ledger: "With the Boston Red Sox making noise about a pursuit of Diamondbacks left-hander Randy Johnson, the Yankees are on high alert ... Anaheim, Los Angeles and the Cubs are believed to be among the other teams interested."
• Los Angeles Times: "The Angels are believed to have had preliminary talks with the Diamondbacks to determine what it would take to acquire the five-time Cy Young Award winner should Randy Johnson become available."
• New York Daily News: "Even after José Contreras mostly dominated the Devil Rays in a 7-1 victory last night, a member of the Yankees' inner circle indicated that it may be too late for the righthander to save himself from being bumped out of the starting rotation in the coming weeks."
• Fort Worth Star-Telegram: "Randy Johnson is the big prize and there are rumors he wants off the Arizona Diamondbacks' sinking ship. The Yankees probably would have him by now if they had something to give, but their system is quite bare beyond Double A catcher Dioner Navarro."
• Newark Star-Ledger: "Although they may not even be aware of it yet, the Mets have moved a step closer to acquiring pitcher Kris Benson. The Mets had offered Ty Wigginton in recent weeks but were rebuffed. However, a baseball official who has spoken with Pirates general manager Dave Littlefield in the past few days said Littlefield has been asking about Wigginton and is starting to show serious interest."
• New York Daily News: "Tom Glavine called former Braves teammate Kevin Millwood last winter, trying to gauge his interest in signing with the Mets. This time, Glavine might recruit John Smoltz ... Glavine didn't mention which No.1 starter he was referring to, but it's rumored that Oakland's Barry Zito might become available. ... With Pittsburgh demanding too much for Kris Benson, Boston's Derek Lowe could be an alternative."
• New York Post: "Relievers who could be available? Baltimore's Jorge Julio and Buddy Groom and Seattle's Eddie Guardado. Other arms who could be available include Detroit's Ugueth Urbína, Montreal's Rocky Biddle and Kansas City's Curtis Leskanic, though the Mets are not interested in any of those three. Keep an eye also on Colorado's Shawn Chacon, if the Rockies end up moving him."
Umm ... Leskanic hasn't been with Kansas City for about week or so, Mr. Hale.
• Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: "No one doubts the Mets' sincerity when they say Wright is unavailable. But that could change. That's why Littlefield has been wise not to rush into trading Benson ... But what if that status changes as the month progresses? That's particularly true of teams expected to win, such as the Philadelphia Phillies, whose Class AA first baseman Ryan Howard is a prodigious power threat."
• Houston Chronicle: "After all, if the Astros remain well behind the division-leading Cardinals on say, July 25, and continue to lag behind in the wild-card race, then moving Carlos Beltran or asking Jeff Kent to waive his no-trade clause would be the only logical and fiscally responsible thing to do."
• Miami Herald: "Colorado, for example, would like to deal outfielder Larry Walker, a left-hander power hitter who would be a perfect short-term fit for the Marlins. But Walker has another year and more than $18 million remaining on his contract, and no amount of restructuring is likely to make work for both sides. A better trade prospect is Arizona outfielder Danny Bautista, a former Marlin and free-agent-to-be the Marlins count rent for about $2 million this summer."
• Philadelphia Inquirer: "Wade wasn't about to publicly discuss what he thinks the Phils need the most, although they certainly could use pitching ... Numerous trade rumors have involved the Phillies seeking a starting pitcher — Oakland's Barry Zito, St. Louis' Matt Morris or Pittsburgh's Kris Benson."
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I hate all this talk about trading Johnson. By now we should all understand that good pitchers are extremely rare and hard to come by. It will take years to get one or two pitchers that are truly decent again. We are going to get nothing great in return for Johnson. To be honest he must hate all these rumored trade talks if he wants to stay in AZ. This just leads to pressure for him to accept a trade. We will win less games next year if RJ is traded and you will all complain even louder. We simply stink this year because they ruined the pitching staff. All this tweaking year after year has destroyed this team. To be honest they have ruined everything. We have probably won the same percentage of games under AL as under Bob. I don't expect it to improve any.
Greed by the players have ruined this game, greed by the owners have ruined this game, and the fans are the ones left out in the outfield. Too much money has been paid for people who can't pitch, who can't field and who can't hit. But then I get the games free on TV and the ones paying the high ticket prices are the ones who suffer. For a sport that is not that physically tough (like Basketball, soccer, football) these baseball players are so overpaid that the owners deserve all their money problems. They brought it upon themselves.
Greed by the players have ruined this game, greed by the owners have ruined this game, and the fans are the ones left out in the outfield. Too much money has been paid for people who can't pitch, who can't field and who can't hit. But then I get the games free on TV and the ones paying the high ticket prices are the ones who suffer. For a sport that is not that physically tough (like Basketball, soccer, football) these baseball players are so overpaid that the owners deserve all their money problems. They brought it upon themselves.
Unfortunately though....It's the HOF not the individual player that decides which team he represents when inducted....az240zz said:
I'd say they'd choose the Diamondbacks regardless since he is the first player of a HOF magnitude to play in their organization.....
