http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/angels/la-sp-angside9jul09,1,2908073.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-mlb-angelsRyanwb said:LA Times had a story today with Randy going to the Angles in exchange for for C Jeff Mathis and either 3B Dallas McPherson or 1B Casey Kotchman.
That's reassuring that at least the Dbacks are "setting the bar high" on who they should get in exchange for Johnson....Mathis would immediately replace Hammock as the everyday catcher, while Hammock might revert back to the role of a utility player (like he was for most of last season) and Brito is still an excellent back-up.....Or I wonder if Hammock would go along w/Randy since he's now Randy's personal "designated catcher"?July 9, 2004You must be registered for see imagesE-mail storyYou must be registered for see imagesPrint
Angels May Try to Acquire Johnson
By Mike DiGiovanna, Times Staff Writer
CHICAGO — The Angels have resisted attaching any sense of urgency to Bartolo Colon's starts, but if the right-hander does not show some improvement tonight against the Toronto Blue Jays or in his next two or three games, it could greatly alter the team's strategy as the July 31 trade deadline approaches.
Starting pitching was considered a strength of the Angels, who signed Colon to a four-year, $51-million contract to be their ace. But with Colon in a dreadful slump — he's 2-7 with an 8.19 earned-run average since April 28 — the Angels may determine that they lack the dominant, front-of-the-rotation starter needed to fulfill owner Arte Moreno's World Series aspirations.
That's why they are closely monitoring the Randy Johnson situation in Arizona. The cash-strapped and last-place Diamondbacks have not publicly expressed a desire to trade the 6-foot-10 left-hander, who threw a perfect game against Atlanta on May 18, but that could change if Johnson, 40, determines Arizona won't be competitive in 2005 and agrees to waive his no-trade clause to go to a contender.
The New York Yankees covet Johnson, the Boston Red Sox are very interested — though General Manager Theo Epstein denied a television report claiming he received permission to speak to Johnson — and the Angels are expected to pursue Johnson vigorously if he goes on the market and Colon continues to struggle.
Johnson had a 50-minute conversation with Arizona General Manager Joe Garagiola Jr. in the dugout before Wednesday night's game against the Dodgers, fueling speculation he may be warming to the idea of a trade.
Johnson was coy with reporters, saying the discussion was about the 1966 contract holdouts of Dodger pitchers Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale. He wouldn't address whether he would ask for a trade and has been vague on the subject in recent days.
Diamondback owner Jerry Colangelo has said repeatedly that he wants Johnson, who makes $16.5 million this season and is signed for $16.5 million in 2005, to finish his career in Arizona. Asked Wednesday whether anything had changed since last week, Garagiola said, "I guess not."
The Angels are believed to have had preliminary talks with the Diamondbacks to determine what it would take to acquire the five-time Cy Young Award winner should Johnson become available.
The price would be steep — Arizona would want Jeff Mathis, the Angels' top catching prospect, and either Dallas McPherson, the power-hitting third baseman who is batting .392 with seven homers and 17 runs batted in in 14 games for triple-A Salt Lake after hitting .321 with 20 homers and 69 RBIs in 68 games at double-A Arkansas, or first-base prospect Casey Kotchman.
The Diamondbacks also are interested in reliever Scot Shields, and they might consider taking disgruntled reliever Ramon Ortiz in a deal.
Many say the Angels would be front-runners for Johnson — he owns a home in Newport Beach, has a good relationship with Moreno and has said he has no interest in playing in New York, and the Angels are one of the few organizations with the high-caliber prospects to satisfy the Diamondbacks' trade demands.
The question is, would Colangelo approve a trade of his franchise player, a dominant pitcher who recently surpassed the 4,000-strikeout mark, to the Angels?
Relations between Colangelo and Moreno have been strained since Moreno, former minority owner of the Diamondbacks, tried to buy out his Arizona partners in 2001, and those close to Colangelo say he would be reluctant to deal Moreno a player who could help the Angels win the World Series.
The Angels also might balk at the idea of mortgaging a good chunk of their future for a pitcher who has virtually no cartilage left in his right knee.
"My philosophy hasn't changed, and I don't see it changing," Angel General Manager Bill Stoneman said Thursday. "The strength of any organization is its scouting and player development, and I'm not going to disrupt that to jeopardize the future."
That could change, though, if Moreno, who has shown some of Yankee owner George Steinbrenner's win-at-all-costs tendencies, decides he wants Johnson.
The upside to such a deal is obvious: Johnson, who is 10-6 with a 2.90 earned-run average and 139 strikeouts in 124 1/3 innings, has the power and presence to alter the pennant race and any postseason series.
"That's a lot to give up for one guy," Angel pitcher Jarrod Washburn said. "But he's one of the best ever."
The Angels, meanwhile, continue to show faith in Colon, despite the fact that he has the highest ERA (6.57) of any American League starter and has had two good starts in the last two months.
"Mentally, this has been tough on him, but I don't think we're all at the end of our rope yet," Manager Mike Scioscia said. "It's been a tough stretch, but we have all the confidence in the world in him. Right now, we feel it's best for him to pitch through this, and hopefully in three weeks we'll be talking about how well he's throwing and how positively it's affected the team."
But what if Colon, who was 15-13 with a 3.87 ERA for the White Sox last season and a combined 20-8 with a 2.93 ERA for Cleveland and Montreal in 2002, doesn't regain his form?
"He will," Stoneman said. "With his track record, he's going to get it going. It's been a while since he's thrown well for us, but it doesn't make sense for a guy with his track record to struggle this long. We think he'll turn it around."
Scioscia, who is convinced Colon's problems are mechanical, doesn't want Colon to feel pressured to turn it around immediately.
"I don't think it's going to serve any purpose to lay out a block of games and say it's important to a player's standing on the club or in the rotation," Scioscia said. "The only way we'll back him off a bit is if there's a health-related problem or if we need to take some pressure off him. We think the reason for his struggles are real tangible. There's a lot he can clean up."
I'll defer to Mao on more specifics regarding McPherson and Kotchman respective talents since he follows the Angels (and their farm system) a lot more extensively than I do.....Ryanwb said:Who is a better fit for the D'backs? McPherson or Kotchman at this point, regardless of if we resign Sexson
What about Troy Glaus, he isn't even 30 yet and he is locked up long term I thinkKingLouieLouie said:The main question is....Are the Angels willing to sacrifice McPherson? He's their prized prospect at the moment since Shane Halter is the Angels every day 3B (he's better in a utility role and is getting up there in age) and they have Erstad at 1B (he still has some quailty years remaining).....That's why the Angels may be more inclined to trade Kotchman over McPherson......
Ryanwb said:What about Troy Glaus, he isn't even 30 yet and he is locked up long term I think
I honestly forgot about him since he's been injured since at least mid-May, and I'm wondering if he'll return back to true form after having his shoulder surgery? Glaus could still be their regular DH even if McPherson is their every day 3B......Ryanwb said:What about Troy Glaus, he isn't even 30 yet and he is locked up long term I think
No... my point was, he is entrenched at 3B, so that is why I feel they would be more inclined to trade McPherson before KotchmanBOB_Man24 said:I doubt they would trade him though, if that was the case i would take him. What an upgrade that would be...
Yeah I agree... I like the Dessens/Good combo.BOB_Man24 said:Well hed be a lot better than sparky and fossum and good. Gotta love it. Hey by the way, pitching Dessens 4 innings actually worked. Go figure...
NJYAJ09 said:Yeah I agree... I like the Dessens/Good combo.
Would the Marlins be willing to trade this prize prospect? Possibly since Hee-Seop Choi is still extremely young and producing well..especially at a bargain contract that the has....Jason Stokes, 1B. This kid has a high ceiling and boasts dramatic raw power. Selected in the second round of the 2000 draft, Stokes began to show his prowess in Utica in 2001, where he pounded six home runs and drove in 19 runs in just 35 games. It was however in his second season at Kane County (A) where he challenged for the Triple Crown in the Midwest League, elevating his batting average to .341 with 27 HR and 75 RBI, all the while fighting through a painful cyst problem on his left wrist. He finally underwent surgery, which included a bone graft at the tail end of 2002 and after a slow start rebounded with nice numbers for Jupiter (A) in 2003. Stokes finished with 17 homers and 89 RBI in 121 games. However, the Marlins saw a slip in his batting average to .258, which could be attributed to his wrist injury the previous year.
The Marlins have several other quality starters, but I believe they're be more willing to surrender Olson...I do like Jeff Allison, but he'll be in line to soon replace Pavano (who more than likely be leaving as a FA after the end of this year)....Scott Olsen, LHP. This may be somewhat of a shocker, as this kid was a relative unknown in high school. However, the Marlins saw enough in him to take him in the sixth round of the 2002 amateur draft. The 6’4, 170 pound lefty is very lanky, but has been a sponge at absorbing tutoring at the minor league level. Unimpressive in his first pro season, Olson rebounded nicely in 2003 for Class A Greensboro with a 7-9 record and 2.81 ERA, fanning 129 batters in 128.1 innings. He improved his mechanics last year, which resulted in a livelier fastball. He improved the quality of his slider in his second year and opted to remove the curve ball, at least temporarily, from his repertoire. He also has a very nice changeup, which is very important for a lefthander. Olson also has a quality sinker. It would surprise no one if he finishes at Double A this year.
I believe Pierre will receive a contract extension... plus the Marlins have Jeremy Hermida, Abraham Nunez, Miguel Cabrera, and a couple other OF prospect who will be Major League w/in 2-3 years... Reed has the explosive speed and line drive capabilites...I know the Dbacks have Jackson, Quentin, and a couple other lethal OF prospects, but imagine adding Reed's speed into the mix.....Eric Reed, OF. Reed could be the Marlins' next Juan Pierre. Despite standing at just 5’11 and weighing in at just under 170 pounds, Reed is a prolific weight lifter. He knows his strength is in his legs, not his biceps; and he has learned to become a very good bunter and is willing to put the ball on the ground to take advantage of his speed. A ninth round pick out of the 2002 draft, Reed, like most top of the order hitters, needs to gain confidence hitting with two strikes. He stole 53 bases and scored 86 runs in 134 games last year, while batting .300, good enough to earn him the Marlins' 2003 Minor League Player of the Year. His speed allows him to cover plenty of ground in the outfield. A jump to Double A this year is expected. However, Pierre still has two years left on his contract and Reed is being groomed as his heir apparent.
WTF are we going to do with a soon to be 34 year old catcher???MaoTosiFanClub said:D-Backs want Posada if there's a RJ trade according to FoxSports...
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2592218
\Ryanwb said:WTF are we going to do with a soon to be 34 year old catcher???