Trading Nash (Realistic Possibilities)

[sunsfan88]

OK what do you guys think of this deal?

Suns get: Hickson, Evans, Q-Rich, Nelson
Suns trade: Nash, Frye

Orlando gets: Nash, Frye, Salmons
Orlando trades: Q-Rich, Reddick, Anderson, Nelson, Duhon, Orlando '12 first rd pick

Kings get: Reddick, Duhon, Anderson, '12 Orlando first rd pick
Kings trade: Evans, Hickson

Magic want to get Nash so badly to please Howard so they do this trade. Plus they get a Ryan Anderson clone in Frye but Frye is actually locked in longterm unlike Ryno who might bolt during free agency.

Kings are a horrible 3pt shooting team and this trade just fixes that completely with them getting two premiere 3pt shooters in Anderson and Reddick. Anderson will give Cousins room to in the paint just like he did for Howard. They also get rid of Hickson who they have been trying to so hard to trade. Plus they get out of Salmons AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL contract. Also an Orlando 1st in a relatively deep draft '12 draft.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Id do that trade in a heartbeat.


Curiously about Portland, their point margin, a stat that is supposed to be a very strong indicator of success, is the 2nd best in the entire conference, 5th best in the league, yet they're 10th in the standings. I'd bet they will make a strong push in the 2nd half.

I've yet to see any reason why this isn't a good match.

 

[sunsfan88]

Nash for Felton, Nolan Smith and a 1st rounder. Nash back in the Pac northwest with a decent team, Felton gets a fresh start and we get a 1st rounder.

Best trade option available.

Felton has no trade value. He's sucked so bad this year, he came into training camp out of shape and is still out of shape. Portland hates him, they would trade him for a 2nd rd pick.

Nolan Smith supposedly sucks so bad that he cant find playing time on a Blazers team that is desperately looking for help at the PG position.

Portland doesnt have a 1st rd pick to trade for the next few years.

I'm sorry but tbis trade just fails at every level.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Felton has no trade value. He's sucked so bad this year, he came into training camp out of shape and is still out of shape. Portland hates him, they would trade him for a 2nd rd pick.

Felton was quite good with the Knicks and thrives in an uptempo system, which Portland doesn't run. If we don't like him, he's a FA anyway.

Portland doesnt have a 1st rd pick to trade for the next few years.

WRONG. Portland has their first rounder this year and in 2014. I'd take either.

I'm sorry but tbis trade just fails at every level.

Coming from the king of the 18 team, 65 player trade proposals, I'll take that as a compliment.

 

[Mainstreet]

Felton was quite good with the Knicks and thrives in an uptempo system, which Portland doesn't run. If we don't like him, he's a FA anyway.

I'm thinking Lin has benefited from the Knicks style of play much like Felton. For the same reason, I think Felton would play well with the Suns. I'm still not into that trade proposal.

 

[sunsfan88]

Felton was quite good with the Knicks and thrives in an uptempo system, which Portland doesn't run. If we don't like him, he's a FA anyway.




WRONG. Portland has their first rounder this year and in 2014. I'd take either.




Coming from the king of the 18 team, 65 player trade proposals, I'll take that as a compliment.

Portland cant trade their pick cause they dont have one next year so again you just fail.

And what about the Nolan Smith sucking part?

And sure I may make bigger trades than you yet their all better than your Nash to Portland for chump change idea.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Portland cant trade their pick cause they didnt have one last year so again you just fail.

And what about the Nolan Smith sucking part?

And sure I may make bigger trades than you yet their all better than your Nash to Portland for chump change idea.

You might want to re-visit the rules on trading draft picks. You can trade away your current year pick even if you didn't have a pick the previous year. The Stepien rule only prevents you from trading out of all 1st round picks in consecutive years in advance. What you did last year has no bearing on what you're allowed to do this year.

Steve

 

[Folster]

OK what do you guys think of this deal?

Suns get: Hickson, Evans, Q-Rich, Nelson
Suns trade: Nash, Frye

Orlando gets: Nash, Frye, Salmons
Orlando trades: Q-Rich, Reddick, Anderson, Nelson, Duhon, Orlando '12 first rd pick

Kings get: Reddick, Duhon, Anderson, '12 Orlando first rd pick
Kings trade: Evans, Hickson

Magic want to get Nash so badly to please Howard so they do this trade. Plus they get a Ryan Anderson clone in Frye but Frye is actually locked in longterm unlike Ryno who might bolt during free agency.

Kings are a horrible 3pt shooting team and this trade just fixes that completely with them getting two premiere 3pt shooters in Anderson and Reddick. Anderson will give Cousins room to in the paint just like he did for Howard. They also get rid of Hickson who they have been trying to so hard to trade. Plus they get out of Salmons AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL contract. Also an Orlando 1st in a relatively deep draft '12 draft.

The Kings give up Evans, Hickson, and Salmons and get Reddick, Duhon, Anderson, and a late first round pick. Have you ran that by a Kings fan yet?

The Suns make out like bandits though.

 

[sunsfan88]

You might want to re-visit the rules on trading draft picks. You can trade away your current year pick even if you didn't have a pick the previous year. The Stepien rule only prevents you from trading out of all 1st round picks in consecutive years in advance. What you did last year has no bearing on what you're allowed to do this year.

Steve

Yea I made a mistake, what I meant to say was Portland can't trade their pick because they don't have for the '13 draft.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yea I made a mistake, what I meant to say was Portland can't trade their pick because they don't have for the '13 draft.

If that's the case they can still trade the 2012 pick, they just can't do it until the draft.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

If that's the case they can still trade the 2012 pick, they just can't do it until the draft.

Steve

Well the guy I was talking to said he wanted to trade Nash to Portland before the deadline for their pick, and I'm saying that its impossible because Portland can't trade their '12 pick before this year's trade deadline. And Nash is a FA After this season so we can't trade him around draft time.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Well the guy I was talking to said he wanted to trade Nash to Portland before the deadline for their pick, and I'm saying that its impossible because Portland can't trade their '12 pick before this year's trade deadline. And Nash is a FA After this season so we can't trade him around draft time.

I understood the flow of conversation, I was just filling in some details. If they don't have a 1st round pick in 2013 they aren't a very attractive trade partner for us until the draft.

Steve

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Portland cant trade their pick cause they dont have one next year so again you just fail.

I also said I'd take their 2014 first rounder.

And what about the Nolan Smith sucking part?

Smith or another player would be included to make salaries match, no other reason.

And sure I may make bigger trades than you yet their all better than your Nash to Portland for chump change idea.

Perhaps you should re-read the title of this thread. Let's try this again: REALISTIC POSSIBILITIES. Maybe you're unfamiliar with that this means, but here are some of your gems:

Celtics get Gasol, Lopez
Suns get Rondo, Johnson, O'Neal
Lakers get Nash, Hill, Morris

Nash/Hill/Gortat for Young/Brand/Holliday/Vucevic

Suns get: Hickson, Evans, Q-Rich, Nelson
Suns trade: Nash, Frye

Orlando gets: Nash, Frye, Salmons
Orlando trades: Q-Rich, Reddick, Anderson, Nelson, Duhon, Orlando '12 first rd pick

Kings get: Reddick, Duhon, Anderson, '12 Orlando first rd pick
Kings trade: Evans, Hickson

And, the icing on the cake, your stupidest proposal yet - Melo for Nash + fillers


You're really accusing me of an unrealistic trade proposal?

Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment.

 

[JCSunsfan]

This from espn insider via hoopshype.com. I do not have insider so if any of you have a better take on the context of the comment, it would be appreciated. Basically it says we could have Josh Smith for Nash. I would do that one.

Josh Smith, F, Hawks. Again, I know what the Hawks are saying. "We're not shopping anyone ... yada, yada, yada." The truth is, Rick Sund has been exploring possible Josh Smith deals for the past few years. If he could get a legit point guard and a credible forward to replace Smith, he'd do it. If the Celtics would offer Rondo, I think they'd have a deal. Ditto if the Suns would offer Steve Nash.

It seems that interest in Nash right now is really high. There are alot of teams that are mid-level right now that think they could really compete with a player like Nash (Orlando and Atlanta are just two). hmmm.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

This from espn insider via hoopshype.com. I do not have insider so if any of you have a better take on the context of the comment, it would be appreciated. Basically it says we could have Josh Smith for Nash. I would do that one.

Josh Smith, F, Hawks. Again, I know what the Hawks are saying. "We're not shopping anyone ... yada, yada, yada." The truth is, Rick Sund has been exploring possible Josh Smith deals for the past few years. If he could get a legit point guard and a credible forward to replace Smith, he'd do it. If the Celtics would offer Rondo, I think they'd have a deal. Ditto if the Suns would offer Steve Nash.

It seems that interest in Nash right now is really high. There are alot of teams that are mid-level right now that think they could really compete with a player like Nash (Orlando and Atlanta are just two). hmmm.

I'd do either. Sadly our FO is still under the delusion that we have a chance to make the playoffs. Bucher goes after them nicely:

"The Suns continue to insist they're not trading Nash, which might be true. That's why Nash is at the bottom of the list. They even believe they have a chance at re-signing him this summer, which is a pipe dream.

The Suns are no longer a playoff team and are on the verge of a major rebuilding project. While Nash has publicly supported the Suns, it doesn't make much sense for either party to keep the marriage alive. Nash is still playing like an All-Star and could have a chance at winning a title elsewhere.

At this point, the Suns won't get much for him. His contract expires in a few months, and Nash has made it clear he'll shop the market. But if the Suns lose him for nothing? They would join the Cavs and Raptors as teams that let their fantasies get in the way of reality."

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'd do either. Sadly our FO is still under the delusion that we have a chance to make the playoffs. Bucher goes after them nicely:

"The Suns continue to insist they're not trading Nash, which might be true. That's why Nash is at the bottom of the list. They even believe they have a chance at re-signing him this summer, which is a pipe dream.

The Suns are no longer a playoff team and are on the verge of a major rebuilding project. While Nash has publicly supported the Suns, it doesn't make much sense for either party to keep the marriage alive. Nash is still playing like an All-Star and could have a chance at winning a title elsewhere.

At this point, the Suns won't get much for him. His contract expires in a few months, and Nash has made it clear he'll shop the market. But if the Suns lose him for nothing? They would join the Cavs and Raptors as teams that let their fantasies get in the way of reality."

While I agree with much of what he said, this comment is almost laughable. To equate losing a 300 year old point guard without offset to what the Cavs and Raptors let walk is absurd. I want to trade Nash but his trade value is but a fraction of the value Bosh and Lebron could have returned via trade.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

While I agree with much of what he said, this comment is almost laughable. To equate losing a 300 year old point guard without offset to what the Cavs and Raptors let walk is absurd. I want to trade Nash but his trade value is but a fraction of the value Bosh and Lebron could have returned via trade.

Steve

Maybe I'm missing what you are saying, but Lebron and Bosh (essentially) returned two first round draft picks to Cleveland and Toronto respectively. I'm not saying Nash is worth that but still... he has value.

If Nash is not traded before the trade deadline and he becomes a FA (and decides to walk) the Suns stand to get no value in return like Amare. Also the Suns are holding empty hands as of now by trading Dragic and a first round pick to Houston for a player (Brooks) who will likely walk for nothing as well in terms of compensation.

The Suns are not a smartly run organization.

Now my mind wants to wander back to the Kurt Thomas trade debacle.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Maybe I'm missing what you are saying, but Lebron and Bosh (essentially) returned two first round draft picks to Cleveland and Toronto respectively. I'm not saying Nash is worth that but still... he has value.

If Nash is not traded before the trade deadline and he becomes a FA (and decides to walk) the Suns stand to get no value in return like Amare. Also the Suns are holding empty hands as of now by trading Dragic and a first round pick to Houston for a player (Brooks) who will likely walk for nothing as well in terms of compensation.

The Suns are not a smartly run organization.

Now my mind wants to wander back to the Kurt Thomas trade debacle.

Well, maybe I missed what Bucher was saying. I thought his point was that Cleveland and Toronto both held on to their assets because they were living in fantasy land and that when it came down to it, they received well below what they would have if they had traded at the deadline. And, if we didn't move Nash we would join that group. If that is what he's saying, I'm contesting that Nash in the last year or two ever had the kind of trade value that Lebron and Bosh had.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm contesting that Nash in the last year or two ever had the kind of trade value that Lebron and Bosh had.

Steve

Certainly Nash does not have that kind of trade value now, on that we can agree.

Lebron had a ton of trade value that is for sure... Bosh less than Lebron. I do think Nash would have commanded at least two first round draft picks and perhaps more if he were traded when Amare walked.

I'm not sure what Bucher is saying.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Certainly Nash does not have that kind of trade value now, on that we can agree.

Lebron had a ton of trade value that is for sure... Bosh less than Lebron. I do think Nash would have commanded at least two first round draft picks and perhaps more if he were traded when Amare walked.

I'm not sure what Bucher is saying.

Well, we'll never know for sure but I don't think Nash would have commanded 2 first round picks in any recent year. We know he's been an incredible player (especially for his age) but if you went back in time 3 or 4 years and then projected forward I really doubt there would have been any teams willing to risk 2 first rounders on the possibility that Nash would beat all the aging odds.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

Well, we'll never know for sure but I don't think Nash would have commanded 2 first round picks in any recent year. We know he's been an incredible player (especially for his age) but if you went back in time 3 or 4 years and then projected forward I really doubt there would have been any teams willing to risk 2 first rounders on the possibility that Nash would beat all the aging odds.

Steve

Upon reflection, I think we are both missing the issue here. There may not be a contender out there who has expiring contract(s) to make it work but if a contender were in position to win a championship in the next couple of seasons, two first round draft picks is really not that much to ask.

Let's say the Lakers decided they wanted to win a championship this season and they thought Nash could put them over the top. Forgetting about the expiring contract part (I'm not aware of their contract situation) the Lakers have two first round draft picks in 2012. Let's day they would trade the worst of their 2012 first round draft picks to the Suns plus a 2013 round pick, it shouldn't hurt them that much, especially if they thought Nash could get them over the top. It's like a good football team trading for Peyton Manning hoping to win a championship over the next 2-3 years.

 

[mojorizen7]

Are Rondo or J.Smith known for shooting jumpers? No.
It ain't happening under Sarver's watch.

 

[sunsfan88]

I also said I'd take their 2014 first rounder.



Smith or another player would be included to make salaries match, no other reason.



Perhaps you should re-read the title of this thread. Let's try this again: REALISTIC POSSIBILITIES. Maybe you're unfamiliar with that this means, but here are some of your gems:

Celtics get Gasol, Lopez
Suns get Rondo, Johnson, O'Neal
Lakers get Nash, Hill, Morris

Nash/Hill/Gortat for Young/Brand/Holliday/Vucevic

Suns get: Hickson, Evans, Q-Rich, Nelson
Suns trade: Nash, Frye

Orlando gets: Nash, Frye, Salmons
Orlando trades: Q-Rich, Reddick, Anderson, Nelson, Duhon, Orlando '12 first rd pick

Kings get: Reddick, Duhon, Anderson, '12 Orlando first rd pick
Kings trade: Evans, Hickson

And, the icing on the cake, your stupidest proposal yet - Melo for Nash + fillers


You're really accusing me of an unrealistic trade proposal?

Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment.

I'll admit the Philly trade and the NY took things too far but the other trades I have recieved positive remarks from fans on different forums.

Just cause a trade is a big trade doesn't make it "unrealistic." For example,

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7k8y4hp

Foundation for trade:

Boston: Rondo for Hibbert + Collison
Indiana: Hibbert + Collison + Amundson for Nash + Gortat
Phoenix: Nash + Gortat for Rondo + Amundson

Boston goes with Collison/Allen/Pierce/Garnett/Hibbert. Can re-sign Hibbert or at very least gain a lot more $ in cap-space. Rumored to be shopping Rondo.

Indiana gets a C who will be cheaper than Hibbert the next couple years and one of the top offensive PGs in the league, even at his age. They will keep cap-space available to throw at Gordon plus they can try to re-sign Nash or go after one of the many PGs available in free agency.

Phoenix has a unrestricted Nash this summer so it almost boils down to Rondo versus Gortat. Rondo has been on fire lately racking up a couple triple-doubles in the past few games. He is on a very reasonable contract and can be the focal point for a rebuild in Phoenix.

My trades are all better than your crappy trades for 2014 and 2018 picks or whatever super late 1st rd picks you want.

 

[jagu]

I'm not trading Nash + Gortat for Rondo. That's a stupid, stupid, trade.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I'll admit the Philly trade and the NY took things too far but the other trades I have recieved positive remarks from fans on different forums.

Just cause a trade is a big trade doesn't make it "unrealistic." For example,

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7k8y4hp

Foundation for trade:

Boston: Rondo for Hibbert + Collison
Indiana: Hibbert + Collison + Amundson for Nash + Gortat
Phoenix: Nash + Gortat for Rondo + Amundson

Boston goes with Collison/Allen/Pierce/Garnett/Hibbert. Can re-sign Hibbert or at very least gain a lot more $ in cap-space. Rumored to be shopping Rondo.

Indiana gets a C who will be cheaper than Hibbert the next couple years and one of the top offensive PGs in the league, even at his age. They will keep cap-space available to throw at Gordon plus they can try to re-sign Nash or go after one of the many PGs available in free agency.

Phoenix has a unrestricted Nash this summer so it almost boils down to Rondo versus Gortat. Rondo has been on fire lately racking up a couple triple-doubles in the past few games. He is on a very reasonable contract and can be the focal point for a rebuild in Phoenix.

My trades are all better than your crappy trades for 2014 and 2018 picks or whatever super late 1st rd picks you want.

You don't even know what realistic means...not the basis for a productive conversation. Cheers!