Tyler Johnson to the Suns

[Chaplin]

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I'd take what Gambo says with a grain of salt. Until we get confirmation from someone that knows what they are talking about, I'll reserve the right to be skeptical.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I don't think he is. The contract itself was never change or amended. I'm guessing another contract was drawn up as an amendment or something that only discussed the payout, not how it affects the cap. I'm not sure the NBA or Union would go along with something like that, even if the player wanted it.

I had always assumed that Anderson could be bought out and THEN the buyout number could be stretched. Hmmm. It would be good to get clarification on this.

Just like Gambo says in his tweet. Of course, we could waive and stretch Johnson too. It would cost us a couple more million per year.

 

[Chaplin]

I had always assumed that Anderson could be bought out and THEN the buyout number could be stretched. Hmmm. It would be good to get clarification on this.

Which means we probably never will.

 

[slinslin]

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Give me a break , Gambo has absolute ZERO clue about how the NBA salary cap actually works!!!

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

YES, but we needed to take on Ellington to do it! That's what I'm saying!

And that evens out the trade. Are you suggesting that we have to clearly win the trade for it be worth it? Us paying Ellington’s salary in no way effects the team beyond this year and we don’t particularly need the cap space this season.

 

[Chaplin]

And that evens out the trade. Are you suggesting that we have to clearly win the trade for it be worth it? Us paying Ellington’s salary in no way effects the team beyond this year and we don’t particularly need the cap space this season.

No, I'm saying in order for this trade to actually be a reality, we had to take on Ellington. That's it. What exactly are you arguing with me about?

Seems to me that we are agreeing.

 

[SunnyBaller]

This trade really isn't a big deal guys, it's very meh. We get rid of someone who never sees the court for a bench player who will see the court in exchange for a few million that we all know Sarver wasn't going to spend anyway. We are not a team in a good position for free agancy next year anyway

 

[SirStefan32]

It could be the Suns are thinking trade this summer and they need Tyler Johnson's salary to make it work.

If they are going after someone who makes a lot of money, Johnson's expiring contract will be very useful. For example, a wing, picks, and Johnson for Holiday.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

No, I'm saying in order for this trade to actually be a reality, we had to take on Ellington. That's it. What exactly are you arguing with me about?

Seems to me that we are agreeing.

This started with you speculating why the Suns had to take on Ellington to make the trade happen. I was simply trying to explain why it happened that way..

 

[SirStefan32]

I'll also point out that Johnson can fit nicely in the defensive unit the Suns like to play with the three wings, and Holmes.

 

[slinslin]

I had always assumed that Anderson could be bought out and THEN the buyout number could be stretched. Hmmm. It would be good to get clarification on this.

Just like Gambo says in his tweet. Of course, we could waive and stretch Johnson too. It would cost us a couple more million per year.

it would colst us LESS

Anderson's cap hit is 21M$, Johnson 19M$.

If we use the stretch provision on Johnson we have 700K$ less on the cap over the next 3 years.

Gambo has no clue about the CBA, just before he tweeted that Tyler Johnson is expiring!!!

 

[JCSunsfan]

Looks like TJohnson is a decent defensive player. That is a help. He probably replaces Troy Daniels in our lineup. We can then trade Daniels and Bender plus the Bucks pick for Lonzo?

Oh boy. The Lakers are a huge mess right now. LeBron absolutely destroys the chemistry wherever he goes. I love it. BTW, that should take LeBron immediately out of the GOAT discussion. He is a great player but he is a horrible teammate.

 

[Mainstreet]

I had always assumed that Anderson could be bought out and THEN the buyout number could be stretched. Hmmm. It would be good to get clarification on this.

Just like Gambo says in his tweet. Of course, we could waive and stretch Johnson too. It would cost us a couple more million per year.

I think this would be the worst case scenario.

The trade has a lot more upside than downside if the Suns look to make a trade this summer.

 

[Chaplin]

This started with you speculating why the Suns had to take on Ellington to make the trade happen. I was simply trying to explain why it happened that way..

Yes, and... again, I think we're saying the same thing.

 

[SirStefan32]

Looks like TJohnson is a decent defensive player. That is a help. He probably replaces Troy Daniels in our lineup. We can then trade Daniels and Bender plus the Bucks pick for Lonzo?

Oh boy. The Lakers are a huge mess right now. LeBron absolutely destroys the chemistry wherever he goes. I love it. BTW, that should take LeBron immediately out of the GOAT discussion. He is a great player but he is a horrible teammate.

He is a good defensive player. Very aggressive and scrappy too. Reminds me of a guard version of Holmes/ Jackson.

 

[Chaplin]

He is a good defensive player. Very aggressive and scrappy too. Reminds me of a guard version of Holmes/ Jackson.

If he can have an "Oubre-like" impact, I'd say it's pretty good. Ryan Anderson was NEVER going to provide that, even if he was a rotation player.

 

[1Sun]

NOBODY does!! I just don't get why you keep spouting this narrative when literally NOBODY here fits it.

What I keep hearing is that the Suns consider him a point guard. I think BC is 100% correct, only I would add that it proactively hurts the players on the floor to have a black hole like Johnson starting at the point.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

This trade really isn't a big deal guys, it's very meh. We get rid of someone who never sees the court for a bench player who will see the court in exchange for a few million that we all know Sarver wasn't going to spend anyway. We are not a team in a good position for free agancy next year anyway

Exactly, it's much Ado about bothing

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Yes, and... again, I think we're saying the same thing.

Maybe I misread the tone of the first post I responded to? It seemed like you were upset with the idea of us taking on Ellington as well.

 

[1Sun]

Yes, that's MIAMI'S reason for the trade. I'm speculating on our reasons for the trade.

Probably James Jones doing another of his buddies a solid at the Suns' expense...

 

[1Sun]

I have a few people on ignore, but it sounds like people are complaining that the Suns lose some cap space. Even if that's true... the same people were likely saying nobody would sign with the Suns anyway.

I'd rather grossly overpay the likes of Rubio or Rozier than Johnson.

 

[Chaplin]

Maybe I misread the tone of the first post I responded to? It seemed like you were upset with the idea of us taking on Ellington as well.

No, as you said, just speculating as to why we did it in the first place. On the surface, it might not make sense.

 

[1Sun]

We flipped a player who is terrible for a solid player (who can play some point) with a similar salary. That is why we did it.

He hasn't been "solid" since he signed his big contract.

 

[JCSunsfan]

He is a good defensive player. Very aggressive and scrappy too. Reminds me of a guard version of Holmes/ Jackson.

He is actually a guy who can play. He might end up starting for us. He is better than Melton, Okobo, Daniels, Crawford, and Bender. He is also better than JJ (excluding the last few games).

Low risk, decent reward. Better chemistry. I don't really see the downside.

 

[1Sun]

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So...15.6 million with an option to spread that out versus 19.3 million. Slightly worse than I thought...