Unnecessary Risk

[BigRedRage]

DD doesn't agree

https://twitter.com/ddockett/status/722194313388670976

Here's a couple more

Feb. 18 — Denzel and Robert Nkemdiche sued regarding alleged fight: Shortly after Nkemdiche and Bryant were arrested, both Nkemdiche brothers were sued regarding their participation in an alleged fight at an Ole Miss fraternity party that took place in Feb. 2013. Matthew Baird sued the brothers Nkemdiche for $2 million, claiming he was punched in the back of the head by Robert, who was a high school senior and Ole Miss commit at the time, and then kicked on the ground by Denzel and a handful of his Ole Miss teammates. The lawsuit never amounted to anything, but it did bring more negative attention to the Ole Miss program.

Oct. 13 — Photo leaked depicting Robert Nkemdiche lighting a bong: In the week leading up to Ole Miss’ showdown with border-rival Tennessee, a Volunteer fan leaked a photo taken via the popular app Snapchat depicting Robert Nkemdiche lighting a bong, typically used to smoke marijuana. In the blink of an eye the photo began circulating throughout the Internet, and although Nkemdiche was never punished for the photo (as the Tennessee fan would have liked in the days leading up to the game), it once again shined a negative light on the Ole Miss program in the midst of its best season in recent memory.


http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...rt-nkemdiche-hitting-bong-on-game-week-101314

Young men get in fights, not a concern to me. I fought a lot when I was his age, especially at parties.

Bongs are bongs, if he can not be an idiot and fail drug tests that wont matter.

 

[MartinD]

Totally agree with you, Harry. I told my wife, I hope the Cards don't think they've found another Honey Badger if he's still on the boards... because I don't like this pick, either.

 

[Russ Smith]

Young men get in fights, not a concern to me. I fought a lot when I was his age, especially at parties.

Bongs are bongs, if he can not be an idiot and fail drug tests that wont matter.

My thing with pot and the NFL has always been the guys that scare me are the ones who test positive at the combine or leading up to the draft. Those are the ones you worry about because the only reason someone is that dumb is if they just flat out can't stay clean long enough to get drafted.

A large number of NFL players smoke pot or have at some point, where it becomes a concern is when they fail drug tests and get suspended. Given he didn't fail a test leading up to the draft and was apparently tested several times, I feel a bit better.

it's a risky pick for sure.

The difference between him and Mathieu is Tyrann was a dominant college player, and consistent, this guy had flashes but not consistent.

 

[GuernseyCard]

I feel thew team just drafted DWASH #2. Drugs and domestic violence. You would think the team would learn.

Where is that from?

 

[Buckybird]

it's a risky pick for sure.

The difference between him and Mathieu is Tyrann was a dominant college player, and consistent, this guy had flashes but not consistent.

Yep!

The problem I have is this is a 1st round pick instead of a 3rd & one produced in college & the other didn't. That's what has me so pissed at BASK taking a chance.

 

[Reddog]

As soon as I saw who was at his table I though ooops. I could have missed it but it looked like a Posse and no coaches, family, agent etc. Maybe they were there and the network chose not to show them but didn't give me the feel of a guy that had left it all behind him. We'll see.

 

[Southpaw]

There's no question the Cards were in the best position in this draft to take a risk. That said I don't like this one. Did you notice in his interview how when asked I'd he'd distanced himself from problem people he said he learned how to spot problems he should avoid? That's an avoidance, not an answer. Dockett's problem was attitude and motivation. He was never surrounded by a detrimental posse. TM had huge advantages. He had a great and trusted friend playing with the Cards who took him under his wing. In college he lost untold ego points and glory he couldn't recapture when he was suspended. I find it especially ironic the Cards stressed how they'd added a character rating to their eval board. I wonder what Nkemdiche was rated in that column? By the way, I don't know anyone who had this guy rated highly any longer.

Okay talent wise he has great potential. He can be very disruptive. He's at a position where he should be able to join the rotation this year. He can rush the passer. He did show improved run defense this year. If they can keep him straight, he could be an outstanding player. I heard several teams took him off their board. The Cards took a risk, but they must have decided to take him if he fell to the way before the round started.

My concerned is that they've come to believe their legend and think they can mold anyone. They already have developmental players in abundance. If there had been no good options on the board I'd like this better. They could have added virtually a sure thing with Jones and they went all in. Let's hope they got it right.

That is about how I see it... then to see Vernon Butler go to Carolina and the announcers talking about,.. "non stop motor, plays sideline to sideline,...awesome movement for a guy that size"...

RK has superior talent.... but his biggest red flag is his brother and the influence he brings.... the same brother that was right there with him at the draft.

I think bask screwed the pooch on this pick..... guess we will know in a few years.

Yep!

The problem I have is this is a 1st round pick instead of a 3rd & one produced in college & the other didn't. That's what has me so pissed at BASK taking a chance.

This had better be a hit, and I don't see it. This guy has warning flags all over himself. I would have rather seen the Cards trade down knowing this was the pick. A real gamble. Things seem to have come too easily to him.

 

[oaken1]

This had better be a hit, and I don't see it. This guy has warning flags all over himself. I would have rather seen the Cards trade down knowing this was the pick. A real gamble. Things seem to have come too easily to him.

honestly...when I saw all the dline guys still on the board...and the announcers mentioned dallas was trying to get back into the first round...I thought for sure keim was going to trade back five slots and pick up a third

 

[bg7brd]

I'm hoping for the best but I keep getting visions of Alan Branch

 

[BW52]

Besides being a character risk and having a rep of not working hard and being a doper and not being a big gamechanger or producer in college I should be thrilled by this pick?Don`t like this pick at all.

 

[Russ Smith]

Besides being a character risk and having a rep of not working hard and being a doper and not being a big gamechanger or producer in college I should be thrilled by this pick?Don`t like this pick at all.

It comes down to a few things. On ESPN this morning one of the guys said he played in the SEC and for 3 years he played his best game every year against Bama. So if you're an optimist you think Bama had the best talent and a great OL those 3 years and this kid was at times unblockable against them and in 3 different games.

If you're a pessimist you ask how come he didn't play that well against teams other than Bama?

Will playing against NFL guys motivate him to play hard like he did against Bama, or will he be up and down in which case NFL players will eat him up.

From what they were saying he's never been a great pass rusher but he's one of those guys who can dominate a game without it being statistically obvious because he's causing so much disruption inside the offense has to double him, he apparently is terrific against the run. And they all said his last year he significantly improved as a pass rusher.

He's apparently one of those guys who is just freakishly strong, no extra fat on him, he's not weight room strong he's just naturally strong you can't move him, he's got strong hands and a very powerful lower body.

Going to be interesting to watch, it's sort of an all or nothing situation with him and Chandler Jones they either pay off and we're the best team in football next year, or they don't and we kick ourselves for ignoring the red flags.

 

[PJ1]

Yep!

The problem I have is this is a 1st round pick instead of a 3rd & one produced in college & the other didn't. That's what has me so pissed at BASK taking a chance.

My feelings exactly. Not in the first round. You don't gamble there. Didn't like this pick at all.

 

[crisper57]

It comes down to a few things. On ESPN this morning one of the guys said he played in the SEC and for 3 years he played his best game every year against Bama. So if you're an optimist you think Bama had the best talent and a great OL those 3 years and this kid was at times unblockable against them and in 3 different games.

I read this and think Russell Wilson is a dead man twice a year.

 

[PJ1]

As soon as I saw who was at his table I though ooops. I could have missed it but it looked like a Posse and no coaches, family, agent etc. Maybe they were there and the network chose not to show them but didn't give me the feel of a guy that had left it all behind him. We'll see.

Thought the same. PacMan came to mind.

 

[crisper57]

Thought the same. PacMan came to mind.

He posted a video of him and his posse yelling out "Birdgang" after he was drafted. There appeared to be an older woman with them. I don't know what his mom looks like, but I assumed that was her. I tried to find it, but it appears to have been deleted.

 

[football karma]

Going into this year and through the regular season -- he was mentioned as a potential 1st pick overall and clearly a top 10 kind of talent. I dont think a player gets that kind of universal acclaim if the talent wasnt obvious.

Talent + a lack of production (as NFL teams define it, rather than stats) get you Shawn Oakman of Baylor.

So this comes down to character rather than a talent question.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

I find it especially ironic the Cards stressed how they'd added a character rating to their eval board. I wonder what Nkemdiche was rated in that column? By the way, I don't know anyone who had this guy rated highly any longer.

Okay talent wise he has great potential. He can be very disruptive. He's at a position where he should be able to join the rotation this year. He can rush the passer. He did show improved run defense this year. If they can keep him straight, he could be an outstanding player. I heard several teams took him off their board. The Cards took a risk, but they must have decided to take him if he fell to the way before the round started.

My concerned is that they've come to believe their legend and think they can mold anyone.

They were very clear they had a rating for football character. And after digesting that for awhile, it seems their definition of football character is love for the game. It's different from off field stuff, which they had a separate grade for.

I think what makes Steve Kiem great is that he can read people, and I think BA has a similar skill. They had four meetings with the kid. So, I won't totally discount your possibility that they have come to believe your own hype (with some of BA dumb comments this offseason, I does cause pause), but I believe it's that they are good judges of character.

 

[TJ]

He posted a video of him and his posse yelling out "Birdgang" after he was drafted. There appeared to be an older woman with them. I don't know what his mom looks like, but I assumed that was her. I tried to find it, but it appears to have been deleted.

It's still there and yes, it was his mother.

 

[crisper57]

It's still there and yes, it was his mother.

Weird. I couldn't find it. Thanks for confirming.

 

[ajcardfan]

It could be worse. It's not like he's going to not suit up his entire rookie season.

 

[TJ]

Weird. I couldn't find it. Thanks for confirming.

https://twitter.com/nfl/status/725896430834073600

 

[MadCardDisease]

Here's a quote that gives me pause.
“People are worried about the brother.” “That’s the biggest fear. How do you say no to family? People so easily say it should be easy decision because there’s a lot of money at stake. Well, you don’t throw away 20 years of brotherhood.”

Yeah that is very concerning. It will be hard for this kid to turn his back on his own brother. This is a very risky pick and the definition of Boom or Bust.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

These are the type of moves teams make when you are that close to the Super Bowl. You dont go out and trade Calais Campbell or Michael Floyd. You add to the warchest and push the limits of your window.

/inserts falling out a window joke

 

[kerouac9]

It comes down to a few things. On ESPN this morning one of the guys said he played in the SEC and for 3 years he played his best game every year against Bama. So if you're an optimist you think Bama had the best talent and a great OL those 3 years and this kid was at times unblockable against them and in 3 different games.

If you're a pessimist you ask how come he didn't play that well against teams other than Bama?

Will playing against NFL guys motivate him to play hard like he did against Bama, or will he be up and down in which case NFL players will eat him up.

From what they were saying he's never been a great pass rusher but he's one of those guys who can dominate a game without it being statistically obvious because he's causing so much disruption inside the offense has to double him, he apparently is terrific against the run. And they all said his last year he significantly improved as a pass rusher.

He's apparently one of those guys who is just freakishly strong, no extra fat on him, he's not weight room strong he's just naturally strong you can't move him, he's got strong hands and a very powerful lower body.

Going to be interesting to watch, it's sort of an all or nothing situation with him and Chandler Jones they either pay off and we're the best team in football next year, or they don't and we kick ourselves for ignoring the red flags.

I haven't watched the Alabama tape yet, but these left me feeling pretty good much of the time. Against Auburn, he was double-teamed almost constantly, which means that opposing coaches took him VERY seriously. against Ole Miss, he had 3 sacks.



I think the character stuff is a little overrated on this guy (compared to a prickly ******* like Connor Cook). A fight on campus when he was in high school (jumped in to help his brother, IIRC) and his boys had some pot in a hotel room?

Clearly there was a lack of institutional control at Miss. St., but if you're going to take a risk on a character concern, you're better off with a pot guy.

 

[juza76]

He plays big against big opponents